[Altaman]

rkh:

Please don't confuse a DPP44 with a Sw44, they are two different beasts and the DPP-Twin LNB will not work with the SW44, but will with the DPP44 switch.

I personally believe that the DPP technology will work with the 9200 as I can not see BEV pulling support for it from the firmware.

Now as to your potential setup, the DPP-Twin LNB and the separator will work (according to everything I know), which will leave you with one output left for another receiver. The bug I mentioned with the guide data, is supposed to be fixed in DishNetworks next firmware update I believe and BEV may already have that fix in their firmware or maybe it does not effect a measly 44 hour guide . Also please note that your cable MUST BE RG6 with a rating of 2150mhz at the least for DP technology otherwise you will run into problems. I can tell you from experience as I was doing some wiring this past weekend and I had RG6 cable rated at 1800mhz and my 3100 reciever would not work with the LNB & switch. I ended up running out and picking up some new RG6 rated at 2.4 ghz (2400 mhz) and it worked perfectly. One other thing to note is that when you are wiring into switches, they tend to need a slightly longer centre copper conductor. I find having the centre contductor sticking out at least a 1/4" is needed from the edge of the F connector.

One thing I can tell you for certain is that as soon as the 9200 is available in Calgary, I will report on how well it works with my setup, heck I may even test it without the switch to see how it works with just the DPP-Twin unless someone else beats me to it.

Alt

EDIT: P.S. rkh, I would just run the cable for the second receiver while you are there, no sense not putting the cable on while you are there.

 

[rkh]

Once again thanks.....

I hope my RG6 cable is fine.
I bought it bulk at Home Depot (2 runs @ 110' each).
Its pretty easy for me to replace it with other cable
if I need to. Where did you get your 2400Mhz cable from?

 

[Altaman]

If you just recently installed the cable, I would suspect it is most likely the 2.4ghz cable. I picked mine up at Rona.

Alt

 

[batdude]

I just finished my basement last summer....neatly wired with RG59 cable in the walls.

So much for the HD PVR. I was going to buy one this week until I found out you need RG6 cable. Now I don't think I'll bother.

 

[FredyNight]

I have 4 run from 2 dual dish, 2 in rg6 and 2 in rg59... Same strenght of signal, so dont dont depress now

I tell you if it work when I will get mine...

 

[Altaman]

I have 4 run from 2 dual dish, 2 in rg6 and 2 in rg59... Same strenght of signal, so dont dont depress now

Fredy!

It is not the strength of the signal, but DP technology uses stacking as per this quote from the EKB:

DishPro is different as it will stack or transmit both even and odd signals down the same wire, by shifting the frequencies up so both polarities can travel the same feed to the receiver or switch. Since this is the case the LNBF doesn't need the receiver voltage to switch back and forth. A switch is necessary to be able to connect one stacked 119° feed and one stacked 110° feed to each receiver. The only way a legacy receiver will work with this arrangement of LNBFs and Dish Pro switches is with a DishPro adapter that can down convert the stacked frequencies to the standard odd or even only frequencies. Each legacy receiver has to use this adapter which must be installed within 10 feet of the receiver.

All cabling and equipment must be rated for the following:

* 950-2150 MHz rather than old 950-1450MHz (frequency)
* 750 mA DC rather than old 400-450 mA DC (current)
* 19V rather than old 13-18 V (voltage)

This applies to all cabling, in-line amplifiers, surge protectors, diplexers. They are usually only rated for about 500 mA DC. Upper level RG6 will have to be used - check it - some cable will not be rated for the higher frequencies!! In other words, RG59 cabling can no longer be considered adequate.

Here is what DPP technology does:

DishPro Plus makes it possible to hook up a dual tuner receiver with just a single run of RG6. As explained above, DishPro LNBs stack the even transponders to a higher frequency range, then a DishPro switch sends all the transponders from one satellite to the receiver.

DishPro Plus puts a new twist on that by being able to control which tranponders from which satellite are translated into the low and high range. For instance, the switch can be directed to translate even transponders from 119° to the low range for tuner 1 and odd transponders from 110° to the high range then put them on the same receiver output. Each range is directed to one of the dual tuner receiver's inputs by a DP Plus Separator installed at the back of the receiver. While often thought of as a splitter because of its appearance, the DPP Separator is actually a diplexer. A DPP Separator is included in the packaging of the DVR942.

Since the DPP Separator passes control codes back to the switch from only one of its outputs, and one receiver has no way to know what channel is needed by another, DP Plus can not be used to connect two individual receivers.

So you see it is not the strength of the signal, but how the signal gets to your receiver(s) and back.

Alt

 

[FredyNight]

Bell use Legacy LNB.. so no probleme here.

 

[Altaman]

Yes Freddy, but if you want to use a single cable run to the reciever, the legacy LNB's will not work, which means using DP/DPP technology. If you use a DPP-Twin with RG59 you are most likely going to run into problems. You would fingure that BEv would start making DPP stuff available here.

Alt

 

[DownInOakland]

I have a 6100 and have it currently set up as install option #4. The 2nd line is run downstairs for future use (the 6100, with the 9200 upstairs).

My question is this:

Is there anyway to have the 2 lines run into the house as they are, and have each receiver work properly with what is in the box? I messed around like crazy, but had no luck. Does the SW44 give me the ability to do this without running an extra line into the house, or adding a DPP seperator?

I did run the basement line back upstairs, and all is well. It's all hooked up and working, BUT I want to have the basement in use as well.

I'm somewhat confused, but think this is gonna result in me having to run in more lines, and then into the 44.

 

[Altaman]

The 9200 will require two lines of its own and 6100 a line as well. You CAN NOT use a DPP separator with the SW44, you need a DPP44 switch to use it.

 

[flexo96]

Before I pick up the 9200 I want to make sure this will work. I currently have a 3100 and 6000. The 3100 is in my son's room and the 6000 is in our living room. I have two lines coming into the house to feed these two receivers. Could the 9200 replace both receivers I have in the house? Or do I have to add a third line.

This is what I'm thinking:

Both lines coming into the house feed the 9200.
I believe the 9200 has a coaxial line out to run to another tv. (correct me if im wrong)
Run the coax through the existing wiring in the house to my son's tv upstairs.

Suggestions or corrections would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Flexo96

 

[gmarsden]

If you only have two cables coming into the house, you will have to mount the
SW44 outside since it requires two cables to each LNB, so four cables. The other side
of the SW44 can connect to the existing cables you have.

The internal distribution should work thru the existing coax to your sons room without any problems.

 

[MikeH]

I think I have installation figured out but I just want to be sure.

There are 2 SW21 connected to my dish. Only 1 TV in the house but two runs of cable inside the house. So..

1) I can leave the 2 SW21 and connect the 9200 with the two exisiting runs.

2) I can install the SW44 just in case I every get another TV. Knowing I would also have to do another run inside the house.

Right?

The thing that really has me confused is in the diagram for option #3. There is a power inserter. What is this and where should I find it in my setup? I looked but could not find anything that looked similiar.

Thanks

Mike

 

[Altaman]

The thing that really has me confused is in the diagram for option #3. There is a power inserter. What is this and where should I find it in my setup? I looked but could not find anything that looked similiar.

The power inserter is used with the SW44, the Sw21's do not use them.

Alt

 

[dave374]

All of this is very confusing.
Just to buy a damn pvr.
Geez.

I have the 6100 hdtv receiver.
It has dual LNBs on the dish.
Other than that, I haven't got a clue what I need for 9200.

 

[fussy]

The power inserter is used with the SW44, the Sw21's do not use them.

Alt

I have to assume the SW44 is provided for the benefit of subs who will use another receiver in addition to their 9200.
But for people like me -- who got 1 SW21 with our 6120 (and plan to replace our 6100 w. a 9200) -- wouldn't we be better off installing a 2nd SW21 at the dish, keeping the SW44 for future use at the 'bottom' of our 2 coax runs if/when we add another receiver ??

 

[In_the_dark]

i don't have one yet, but can someone tell me if there is still a way to turn of the lame pic-in-guide? I hate that crap. If I want pic during guide surf I would hit browse instead.

 

[Altaman]

I have to assume the SW44 is provided for the benefit of subs who will use another receiver in addition to their 9200.

Exactly, if you are only going to use the 9200 then just use your two feeds to the 9200 and be done with it. Me if I did not have the setup I do would remove the SW21's and install the SW44 so it is ready for when/if I want to install another receiver.

Alt

 

[Altaman]

but can someone tell me if there is still a way to turn of the lame pic-in-guide? I hate that crap.

If it works the same as the 6100 there is an option to turn off the pic in guide.

Alt

 

[NoCarrier]

Do you guys think I'm going to need a professional installation? I currently have a 3120 System without the "upgrade kit". It's the 20" Evu dish.

So there is one cable going to the 3100 right now using Nimiq 1.

I recently bought the Starchoice DSR530 but returned it and bought the 3120 system, knowing the 9200 would come out soon.

So there are 2 RG-6 cables not connected to the dish right now (The tech that installed the dish knew I was going to get a 9200 soon so he simply put the 2 end of the RG-6 cables under the dish to protect them). I am going to use them for the 9200. But I only need the 9200 to be using Nimiq 1 and 2. (Well, unless it's extremely easy to connect them to both satellites).

Questions :

1 - Will I need to repoint the dish?

2 - What do I need to do to point it to Nimiq 1 and Nimiq 2 as well?

Do you guys have a graphic explaining how I can do this? This is so funny, I can build a computer with all the parts from scratch and connect any audio/video systems. But I have never in my life installed a dish, point a dish or even connect cables to it.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. As I am sure that 90% of the job is already done with the setup I have. I recently bought a new house, and saving 75-100$ for another tech would be GREAT!

Thanks everyone.