[Altaman]

Joedoe unless I am mistaken, you are agreeing with me, however the DP DishPro)) and DPP (DishPro Plus) are confusing the issue. DP requires a switch to be added to combine two satellites, DPP has the switch built in.

As an example a DPP-Twin LNB can take the signal from Sat 82 & 91 aned sendthem down one cable. Each cable can be used to feed two dual tuner sat receivers.

With a DP it can you can send both odd/even transponders down to the receiver, however you will require a switch to get more than one satellite. The good of this is that you can run longer cable lengths without the worry of losing power and not being able to switch from odd/even transponders.

Alt

 

[Q]

I think you are mistaken Altaman.

Dish Pro does combine sat 91 (119) and 82 (110) into one wire. Legacy lnb does this as well.

The only real benefit I see Dish Pro PLUS having is with people with Dual tuner receivers.

Let me emphasis though. Dish Pro and legacy do have built in switches.

 

[Altaman]

Let me emphasis though. Dish Pro and legacy do have built in switches.

Let me emphasis too, it is hard to believe but I am wrong...

Alt

 

[Q]

Let me emphasis too, it is hard to believe but I am wrong...

Alt

LOL.........I was starting to think maybe I was. At least we are all clear.

 

[gokartchief]

wow been a long time since i posted
some dumb questions....

i have old directv stuff from when i moved up 2 years ago. none of that works with expressvu correct? (only dish stuff works is my memory)

assuming that i'm buying entirely new package, all the mentions of this switch and that splitter should be moot, when i buy a new 9200 package from bev, yes? (2 tv setup, one HD plasma, one plain vanilla tv)

or should i not buy the dish portions from bell and only buy the receiver? are there better rated/desired dishes and hardware?

tia,
Phil

 

[ken0042]

i have old directv stuff from when i moved up 2 years ago. none of that works with expressvu correct? (only dish stuff works is my memory)

Yes and no. I use a DirecTV dish when I go camping, but that's a single LNB set up at that point. (Yes, my idea of roughing it is no HD-TV )

I would buy the 9220 package, and use either example #3 or 4; there has been some debate as to what switches Bell will provide you.

The single cable options were put forward because some people can't run more than 1 line to their TV's.

 

[mojo1234]

Installation question

First off I'm new to posting to forums (this is in fact my first post) so go easy on me if I do something wrong I've lurked around many a forum but never found one good enough to actualy make me want to post to...until now that is That being said I hope I'm even posting this question in the right forum/at the right place, if not please feel free to redirect me and let me know what I'm doing wrong.

Now on with the show...

I currently have 1 regular LNB and 1 dual LNB with cables going to a SW21 outside of my house with 2 cables running into my house (one from the SW21)to supply an older model 6000 receiver to view on my HD TV and 1 cable (straight from the LNB) to a model 3100 receiver for another non HD TV I have.

I want to upgrade to a 9200 model receiver and have some instalation questions. I want to limit the number of cables/switches etc. to simplify installation/trouble shooting since I had a few issues with setting it all up last time and it required a lot of trial and error. From what I understand I could get a DPP Twin LNB which would effectively replace my existing LNB's and SW21 and run one cable to my 3100 and 1 cable to the 9200 and get a DPP seperator to get the dual feeds into the 9200. First off am I correct that this should work (I've never used DPP stuff and therefore have no experience with it)? Secondly would the 9200 retain all of it's functionality? I seem to remember in a thread that someone said you might lose some funtions when using a DPP seperator instead of having 2 'dedicted' lines. My second option would be to run both the lines from the DPP Twin LNB straight into the 9200 and use it's 2nd TV funtionality to feed the regular TV via coax through the house and forget the DPP seperator and 3100 alltogether. Does anyone see any pros/cons in either of these installations or more importantly point out flaws in my plan that maybe I haven't thought of?

Sorry for the long post but I wanted to try and convey all the details without having to repost a million times. Thanks for all the great info.

 

[Q]

mojo.........welcome.

Using a DPP twin lnb and the procedure you described for both keeping and removing the 3100 will work.

I have read nowhere that using a single line from a DDP lnb into a separator will have detremental effects.

IMO it should work fine with both receivers. However I also believe you would be much happier using the TV2 out and sending the signal to other TV(s) in the house. They can then share the Hard drive amounst other advantages over a 3100.

Hope that helps.

 

[Altaman]

Hi Mojo:

First off I have read nowhere that you will lose functionality by using the separator, in fact I personally perfer than method (less cables are always better).

Either senario you stated would work, however I would go with the sat cable to each receiver, you will get a better quality signal that using the RF for TV2. Also if you do the TV2 senario to your second TV, you will lose PIP as well as the capability to record one channel and watch another on your main TV if someone is using the second set connected to TV2.

Alt

 

[mojo1234]

Thanks for the great responses joedoe/Altaman, very helpfull and informative as always.

Altaman I think you answered my question about loosing functionality inadvertently but I guess it has to do with hooking up a second TV via coax and nothing to do with using the DDP Twin LNB/Seperator setup. I'm not too worried about losing PIP funtions and my second TV was really just for recording or when I'm watching something and the girlfriend wants to watch something else and PQ isn't a big concern, unless it's so bad its unwatcheable. Does anyone have any experience with the PQ would it be worse than say VHS? And from what you said when the second TV output is not in use the 9200 would still have all of it's original functionality, right? And I didn't realise that together with having access to one of the tuners the 2nd TV would have access to the harddrive (when not in use) so it sounds more and more like the 3100 will be keeping my 2 VCR's and familly of tapes company in the closet

Now does anyone have suggestions of where to get DPP stuff (other than Ebay), preferably in Canada since I've done lots of cross border shopping and would prefer buying in Canada even if it means spending a couple extra bucks. Even better would be if someone knows of a local store in Winnipeg, prob. not though since we don't even have a BEV store

mojo

 

[Altaman]

Well all I can speak of is what I have read and ppl in the U.S. have complained about the pic quality over TV2. The only suggestion I can give is to either try it when you get one or try out www.satelliteguys.us or www.dbstalk.com and you can search of "942 TV2" for the information. The last option is to wait till someone gets it on here and tries it.

With respect to recording the way I understand it is if the receiver is set to single mode, TV1 controls the recording over both tuners. If set to dual mode TV1 controls the recording of one tuner and TV2 controls the other. Both TV's can access the recordings on the HD that either recorded. TV2 will have any HD recordings down-converted to SD.

As to the DPP stuff, you most likely will not find it in Canada but you can pick up a DPP-Twin LNB for about $40 USD and the DPP Separator for about $10 USD. The place I have shopped is www.dishstore.net and tell them to ship via the post office to save on brokerage charges (Canada Post charges a flat $5 fee for handling so you will only be charged the $5 and GST/PST).

Alt

 

[Q]

I run TV 2 through the coax out into a RG-6 cable (40' approx.) into a 4 way amplified distribution box and then another 50-100' from there. It is comparable to VHS. On a 32" TV no one seems to mind though. Maybe a bit better than VHS but I played with the Gain control. It is 3/4 the way to max.

I found no retailers in Canada selling the DPP but I haven't looked that hard. I doubt there will be very many. I bought mine off ebay as so many people do.

 

[Q]

9200 and 5200 install

I know what I want to do but I have a few problems with how I want TV2 is going to be routed from both boxes.

What I will have (hopefully by the end of next week)

DPP twin lnb
2 DPP separators
5200 and 9200

Currently I have the 5200 beside my HDTV and the output going to a distribution amplifier and then going to other rooms from there.

I am going to put the 9200 in its place and move the 5200 downstairs. Since most people will want to view the 5200 that will stay on the distribution amplifier. I would like the 9200 going into a couple rooms though. The problem is one of the rooms only has one wire and I don't want to route another one.

I was thinking a A-B switch in the basement but then I would have to go downstairs all the time to switch between them.

Would putting the output from 9200 into the ANT. input of the 5200 work??

It is not as simple as inputputing from another receiver since the 9200 modulates the output to a specific channel.

hopefully someone has some thoughts.

Thanks

Joe

 

[ken0042]

Would putting the output from 9200 into the ANT. input of the 5200 work??

That would work. Then on the remote of the 5200 you would press "TV/Video" while in SAT mode on the remote. I currently do that right now; I have a DishNet receiver going into my 5900. I press TV/Video to switch between them.

One other way you could do it; the 5200 and 9200 both have the ability to output to other channels, if you want. I would have them both outputting on different channels, then use a regular cable splitter as a combiner. That way if somebody in the kitchen wanted to watch the 5200, and somebody else wanted to watch the 9200 in their bedroom, they would just have to select the channel they want.

To make it "wife friendly" you could even pick channel 5 for the 5200, and 9 for the 9200. (Assuming there are no OTA channels on those frequencies.)

 

[Q]

Thanks Ken!

I wasn't sure if I could combine the signal but I would think the splitter would have to be bi directional then.

The other method would work the best I believe. I am not 100% it will work though.

The 5200 outputs through coax only on the channel you chose. If you run that through the input of a receiver how will the receiver know which channel to tune to? Unless you just tune the tv to the correct channel and that's it.
I have a feeling its not that easy though.

I have a 3100 so I will test it out.

Joe

 

[Q]

Well I tested running the output from a 5200 into a 3100 receiver ant. in and once the TV was set to the channel which was modulated from the receiver it work the same.

I would have to assume that if I set the 5200 to one channel and the 9200 to another channel then the setup I was hoping for should work. Run the 5200 to all the rooms and then run the 9200 TV2 out into the 5200.

This should allow you access to both receivers from anywhere.

Joe

 

[North_of_Calgary]

A simple splitter backwards may or may not work. But you can buy a simple combiner for about the same price from any electonics store. I still think that would be the simplest solution to your issue: just modulate them on different channels and combine the signal before going into your home distribution network.

 

[Q]

I still think that would be the simplest solution to your issue: just modulate them on different channels and combine the signal before going into your home distribution network.

Why?

I agree it would work and that's the original way I was going to do it but......

I am running a cable from the 9200 TV2 out into the TV where the 5200 is at anyways. By connecting to the receiver instead of the TV it should automatically get sent to all the TV's. You would only then have to chose which receiver to watch by having two predertmined channels for each. and the UHF remote as well.

Is there more interferance or negatives to go into the receiver Ant. in?

 

[Altaman]

Just a thought on your potential setup Joedoe!

What would happen if you carried this a step further in that you take the RF out from your 5200 and plug it back into the 9200. Would the 5200 record the data and in particular the HD data and allow you to play it from the 9200? The 5200 can't play the HD data, but can it record it?

Alt

Edit I take that back...seeing as the 9200 downconverts the HD out of TV 2, you should for all intents and purposes be able to play back on either receiver! Hummm interesting thoughts

 

[ken0042]

The way Joe is describing it, the receiver would just be a pass through; and wouldn't be doing anything with the signal.

Just like back in the 90's, when we had Shaw cable running through the VCR. If the VCR was set to "VCR" mode, you would use the tuner in the VCR. If it was in "TV" mode, you would use the Television's tuner, and the VCR could be used for something else. (Or it could be off.)