[majortom]

Just noticed WNGS-DT came on air today, on VHF CH 7.
So far it has three 480i channels, 67.1 and 67.2 are Daystar,
and 67.3 is colorbars with a test tone up.

Edit:
I'm in the intended coverage area, southtowns of Buffalo.
88% Quality, 24 dB C/N in TsReader

Looks like they met that one.

Under the sale agreement, Daystar must now get the station back on the air by June 12, because the FCC won’t allow a station to be “dark” for more than a year or it can lose its license.

 

[Jase88]

Hmmm. I can't grab channel 7 here in Kitchener--my C5 must not have enough gain. Or is the station up and down? What does it's strength look like?

 

[mrpeter105]

Just noticed WNGS-DT came on air today, on VHF CH 7.
So far it has three 480i channels, 67.1 and 67.2 are Daystar,
and 67.3 is colorbars with a test tone up.

Looks like they met that one.

Hi:

Good catch! Just curious, where are you located? I tried with my mini-state and saw just a blip and it was gone.

P.S. Nothing on my attic SBGH gen1 either.

P.S.2 When did you notice it?

P.S.3 I just had a blip on attic sgbh, then gone.

P.S.4 just saw another one on sbgh. It just comes then goes.

P.S.5 a couple of blips on mini-state just now. About a couple of minutes between them.

P.S.6 another on mini-state. That one stayed for a couple of secs, then gone. I know it's just stray rf but I can't resist. Another blip for 4 secs. Anybody else?

 

[Jase88]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the SBGH and Mini-states aren't designed for longer-range VHF, right?

Still nothing for me. And conditions from Buffalo are great right now (on UHF)....

 

[thenewdc]

What do you mean exactly by blip? A few seconds?. Also did it map?

 

[Jase88]

It could be they're doing some low power testing of the transmitter....
Being so close, it would be easily picked up by majortom.

I've got a clean VHF band right now, very good conditions on all Buffalo area UHF stations (49.1 & 51.1 are a little weak, but present). So it must be low power or a contour that's not favourable in my direction or both.

 

[mrpeter105]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the SBGH and Mini-states aren't designed for longer-range VHF, right?

Still nothing for me. And conditions from Buffalo are great right now (on UHF)....

mini-state is vhf-uhf. Not great but I used to get wkbw-7 analog semi-decent, watchable in the old days.

SBGH gen1 is supposed to be uhf only. But actually works ok on vhf if it's strong enough.

What's happening is that atmospherics are such that i'm getting stray rf energy for just long enough to give me a blip on the meter. Nothing steady though.

P.S.1 no psip map. You would need a steady signal for that. What you should do is just keep the meter up and usually within say 10 minutes you'll see the a quick blip of from 1 to a fews seconds then gone.

 

[Jase88]

Your tuner can detect signal, but not enough to map the channels, correct?

 

[mrpeter105]

Your tuner can detect signal, but not enough to map the channels, correct?

correct. But it's not steady. Like right now i'm at zero signal. waiting for the next blip. try it.

P.S. maybe if they're doing low power for now they'll up it. Just had a 6 second blip. As it becomes dark I might be lucky enough to see something steady. Hopefully.

 

[Jase88]

My Sony Bravia tuner doesn't work that way. I've got to get a lock on the station and grab the PSIP data and channel mapping before I can tune. Simply watching on analog isn't productive either, as you can't see an 8VSB carrier--just snow. And there's no signal meter for analog.

 

[mrpeter105]

My Sony Bravia tuner doesn't work that way. I've got to get a lock on the station and grab the PSIP data and channel mapping before I can tune. Simply watching on analog isn't productive either, as you can't see an 8VSB carrier--just snow. And there's no signal meter for analog.

I got an Artec CECB. It has a meter and I'm able to tune by rf freq.

 

[Jase88]

I see.
Well, the "blip" could be anything--even transient RF from a far distant station.

 

[Jase88]

majortom: Is the station broadcasting continuously? Or is it up and down?!

 

[little-infinity]

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id=9fbe3a5ef62369

New TVFool results have two listings of WNGS, one at 1edge at 10.5 dB, and one LOS at 16.3 dB.

Will the 4221HD have any problem with this?

I have no way of seeing as I killed the VHF coming into my 7778, but will re-enable once I fix everything.

They could just be testing on and off.

 

[mrpeter105]

I see.
Well, the "blip" could be anything--even transient RF from a far distant station.

Actually for the last few days I was doing some monitoring of rf7 thinking that they could come online at any time. I didn't see any blips at all. The thing is that when you bring up the meter it only stays onscreen for 30 secs then you have to press the button again. I'm sure I would have seen at least the odd blip if that was the case but didn't. The blips i'm seeing now i'm sure are from wngs.

p.s. I should clarify that between blips i'm at zero signal.

 

[majortom]

What's a little wierd is that on 67.3, the color bars / test tone, it kinda reminds me of
a 4:2:2 signal that ya might find on some DVB satellite broadcasts.
e.g the test tone sound is there, but the colorbar pix is all chopped up.
Though TsReader does say it's in 4:2:0. The other two, 67.1, and 67.2 are crystal clear though. Like I said, wierd...

Here is a Google Docs Link to a TsReader Export, Zipped up. Lemme know if ya can access it.

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B1k4YjsB3lG6OTk5NGUyNGEtNTlkMi00N2M1LWJhZWQtNjkzOTE3NTcwNzcw&hl=en

Jase, WNGS-DT is broadcasting continuously. The only thing is that I've also noticed the color bars on 67.3 is on some sort
of cycle. like it stops for a few seconds after a minute or two. 67.1 and 67.2 are there continuously though, so you should see
a constant stream on VHF Ch 7. If I recall, their antenna used to be on the same tower as WKBW. If not, it should still be
on the same Hill, WNGS was always listed as Springville, NY.

 

[Jase88]

I receive many Buffalo stations at 21dBm; and I'm 100 miles or so away. Therefore, if you're local to the station and receiving it at that power, and assuming that you're using an outdoor VHF antenna, chances are it's a low power transmitter at this point.

BTW, the report and pics worked great, thanks.

 

[Jase88]

Actually for the last few days I was doing some monitoring of rf7 thinking that they could come online at any time. I didn't see any blips at all. The thing is that when you bring up the meter it only stays onscreen for 30 secs then you have to press the button again. I'm sure I would have seen at least the odd blip if that was the case but didn't. The blips i'm seeing now i'm sure are from wngs.

p.s. I should clarify that between blips i'm at zero signal.

Possibly. And now that majortom has confirmed that the signal is consistent, chances are you're picking up WNGS. Meanwhile, I’ll keep my VHF pointed at 120˚ and keep scanning...

 

[stampeder]

WNGS Asset Purchase Agreement

Here is the WNGS Asset Purchase Agreement in case there is something in there to explain what they're up to now:

https://licensing.fcc.gov/cdbs/CDBS...?appn=101369156&qnum=5030&copynum=1&exhcnum=1

And here's an article from the Buffalo News:

http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/05/18/1053757/dormant-springville-tv-station.html

 

[majortom]

My antenna is a RLSBGH, mounted on a chimney mount with a winegard
pre-amp. Though SBGH = UHF, I can always get some analog VHF from Canada with it, 5 CBLT, 9 CTV, 11 CHCH, and some others on 6, 13 when they are propagating with the aid of Tropo.