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Hmmmm. Basically another "RTV".
 

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Another RTV but with Sony owned programs. There won't be any duplication between the 2 networks.
 

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Any new OTA channel is good- but this one is offering some half decent re-runs that used to be on regular channels years ago- the Stooges are timeless- it'll be fun watching with the kids.
Not your quality educational TV- but funny- yuk-yuk-yuk...:cool:
 

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Why I Otta! :p

Tribune has nothing close to our Southern Ontario viewing area. The closest would be Chicago.

Hopefully when our Canuck Stations get their act in gear, they'll add some multi-channel options as there are now so many sub-channel syndicates available to choose from.

I for one would be happy to give up on HD quality for better quantity in SD/ED viewing choices.
 

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This is not just for Tribune owned stations. You never know, one of the Buf's could pick it up.
 

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This is not just for Tribune owned stations. You never know, one of the Buf's could pick it up.
They could but oddly enough only WGRZ and PBS have really shown any zest for sub channels (since Ion seems to be run via remote from HQ).

Considering the vast Canadian market the buffnet's could access I'm not sure why 4/23, 7 and 23/49 haven't jumped into the game.
 

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I'm not sure why 4/23, 7 and 23/49 haven't jumped into the game
Cost/Benefit analyses are routinely, incessantly done in the TV broadcasting game, especially in regards to advertising $$$, so I'm sure they just haven't seen a business case for taking on any of the sub-channel providers.

In a way this is a possible opening for low-overhead LD stations to take to the air with 2 or 3 of the second and third rate providers as their sole programming.
 

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WANN TV in Georgia has done this. Is that what you mean? They have 10 SD480i channels plus 10 radio stations on one frequency.
http://www.wanntv.com/

I'm thinking that adding 1 sub may not be cost/revenue effective, whereas 10 subs would average out the overall profit margin revenues to the favour of the carrier. Somewhat like the game that casinos rely on to ensure profits in their favour.
 

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Yep, there's a station in LA that does that as well. I'm not saying it would work in every market, but if the expenses are lower than the advertising revenues it may be possible for LD stations to make a go of it running several 2nd or 3rd rate networks on sub-channels as their only programming.

While the first notion we think of with LD stations is moldy oldie reruns of American hits, there is a much bigger strategic audience available as well, particularly in areas of Canada with large ethnic communities. For example, in the B.C. Lower Mainland an LD station with 24 hour sub-channels in Punjabi, Mandarin, Cantonese, Arabic, Filipino, and Persian would probably do well if a CRTC license could be worked out. If not, a border station on U.S. soil doing the same thing but aimed at Canada might be the fall back plan.

So, while sub-channel 1 might be showing Street Legal or The Andy Griffith Show, number 2 might be addressing an ethnic community, number 3 another, number 4 showing a kids show, etc. etc.

If a CRTC license for such a station is not going to happen, just find some U.S. partners and set up on the border.
 

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www.antennatv.tv

I haven't seen Sanford and Son or Partridge Family in ages. Also Maude since some first-run episodes way back. I don't think it ever ran in syndie.

From what I've read elsewhere, they won't show any infomercials. Let's see how long that lasts.
 

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I wonder if this could be what WNGS is waiting for, and they could be working out a deal with Tribune to broadcast AntennaTV in the Buffalo area?

Would be sweet to get another channel :cool:
 

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I'd sure like to know how WANN is able to broadcast so many Audio/Video channels without horrendous Picture Quality, and I am keeping in mind that they don't air anything in HD.
 

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Variable bitrates

The bandwidth could have to be rationed on a "best $$$ earner gets the best picture quality" basis since the bandwidth can be configured to bias certain key money-making stations at the expense of PQ on some of the others. Variable bitrates are usually used for that, as they allow fairly static channels to consume less of the bandwidth at any given time. For example, while a car chase is happening on The Rockford Files that sub-channel's portion jumps, while a sub-channel carrying a studio-desk interview and a sub-channel carrying the weather in Portuguese are reduced.

I don't know if WANN uses variable bitrates on some or all of those sub-channels, as it is possible that they simply preset a portion of bandwidth for each.
 

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Thinking back to the innovative days of cable TV [60's/70's] could they be using 320i SD for all video channels and the 10 radio are slotted in the space between each subchannel? The radio freqs should not interfere with the TV freqs? The way Wann lists those radio freqs is 32.2x as if their using the entire psip.2 slot for all radio?
 

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ota, you're thinking analog. ATSC is just a big stream of bits that you can slice up in a variety of ways. To see the technical aspects of how US stations are using their bitstreams, consult the RabbitEars website. Click on a market to expose the station listings, then click on a station to reveal its technical specifications and programming.
 

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OK! It shows that they are all 480i.... so how many streams can they possibly have within their allotted frequency?

Code:
32 29 WANN-CA ATLANTA GA           
DisplayChannel PhysicalChannel Video Audio Call Sign Network/Programming    Nickname Notes  Print  
32-01 29.1  480i DD1.0  APGuide Guide  
32-02 29.2  480i DD1.0  MTVTr3s MTV tr3s   
32-03 29.3  480i DD1.0  this TV This TV   
32-04 29.4  480i DD1.0  prism Movies  
32-05 29.5  480i DD2.0  Oldie Classic Shows  
32-06 29.6  480i DD2.0  SHOP LATV   (Soon) 
32-07 29.7  480i DD1.0  TUFF TV Tuff TV   
32-08 29.8  480i DD2.0  LEGACY Legacy TV   
32-09 29.9  480i DD2.0  JTV Jewelry TV   
32-10 29.10  480i DD2.0  CORNER Corner Store TV   
32-21  29.21   DD2.0  640WGST Audio "640 WGST" 
32-22  29.22   DD2.0  94.9BUL Audio "94.9 The Bull" 
32-23  29.23   DD2.0  96.1PRJ Audio "Project 9-6-1" 
32-24  29.24   DD2.0  96.7LGD Audio "96.7 The Legend" 
32-25  29.25   DD2.0  105.3 Audio "105.3 El Patron" 
32-26  29.26   DD2.0  105.7 Audio "Groove 105.7"

Now,.. looking at this makes me believe they have 2 allotted frequencies in play.
[Possibly? Channel RF29 & Channel RF31 and they use the 32.x psip?]
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Technical Data and Screencaps  
FAC-ID: 53585   TSID: 4075 (0x0FEB)

[B]LD-APP: Channel 29  [/B]ATLANTA, GA (SCM)    
BSTA‑20090309ACN (1299315) - App 
1079' 15 kW CA (  ) (37 Mile Contour) 
1151' AGL (1223132) 
  N 33° 48' 26" (33.807), W 84° 20' 21.8" (-84.339) (S) (F)  
[B]LD-APP: Channel 31  [/B]ATLANTA, GA (SCM)    
BDISDTL‑20091015ABG (1338453) - App 
1043' 15 kW DA (  ) (37 Mile Contour / 2198 Sq. Mi. Area) 
(0.5 kW TPO + 14.77 dB gain = 15 kW ERP) 
  1115' AGL (1223132) 
  N 33° 48' 26" (33.807), W 84° 20' 21.8" (-84.339) (S) (F)  

  TSReader Data: HTML Export (04/13/2010)    
  Bitrate Allocation: Unknown
direct link to page info does not work, however the above info is from rabbitears.com> see:Atlanta Georgia for WANN CA
 

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For FCC filings, the prefix is the key. BSTA means the record is a Special Temporary Authority to operate with the parameters given. BDISDTL means Displacement Digital low power. As low-power stations are secondary users of the spectrum, they can be bounced by full-power and a special class of low-power stations. The string of filings is a little confusing, but the upshotnis if the displacement is approved, they will switch to the new facility. They are using only one channel.
 

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By clicking the Technical Details and Screencaps link, you can get the nominal bitrate for all the subchannels. (Nominal for stations using variable bit rate encoding.) For WANN, the details are (edited):

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Digital Display Call   Video Dimensions Aspect Video   Audio Audio
Chnl    Chnl    Sign                    Ratio          Type  Bitrate
29.1   32-01  APGuide  480i   528x480    4:3  1.65Mbps DD1.0  96kbps 
29.2   32-02  MTVTr3s  480i   528x480    4:3  1.25Mbps DD1.0  96kbps 
29.3   32-03  this TV  480i   528x480    4:3  1.65Mbps DD1.0  96kbps 
29.4   32-04  prism    480i   528x480    4:3  1.65Mbps DD1.0  96kbps 
29.5   32-05  Oldie    480i   352x480    4:3  1.25Mbps DD2.0  96kbps 
29.6   32-06  SHOP     480i   528x480    4:3  1.75Mbps DD2.0  96kbps 
29.7   32-07  TUFF TV  480i   528x480    4:3   1.3Mbps DD1.0  96kbps 
29.8   32-08  LEGACY   480i   528x480    4:3  1.35Mbps DD2.0 192kbps 
29.9   32-09  JTV      480i   528x480    4:3   1.6Mbps DD2.0  96kbps 
29.10  32-10  CORNER   480i   352x480    4:3  1.55Mbps DD2.0  96kbps 
29.21  32-21  640WGST                                  DD2.0  96kbps 
29.22  32-22  94.9BUL                                  DD2.0  96kbps 
29.23  32-23  96.1PRJ                                  DD2.0  96kbps 
29.24  32-24  96.7LGD                                  DD2.0  96kbps 
29.25  32-25  105.3                                    DD2.0  96kbps 
29.26  32-26  105.7                                    DD2.0  96kbps
 
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