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TVO is an organization that relies on contributions from it's viewers to survive. Obviously it would be nice to have a digital TVO channel available OTA before BDU's. Unfortunately, the reality is that it's cheaper to provide BDU's with an HD feed than it is to upgrade transmitter equipment to digital. It's not a question of commitment, but rather, costs.

And let's not forget that some commercial networks (/A\) have yet to provide digital OTA signals in Ontario....
 

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Is there an A channel in TO? I thought the closest one is in Barrie and even if they put up a transmitter it would be hard to get in Toronto as pretty much everyone would have to point their antenna North when the bulk of the channels are South. Plus - aren't there rumours that these stations may be shut down?

To be honest - when you can get all of the US networks then with most Canadian networks there isn't much point to go to any bother to try to receive them OTA. Pretty much anything you want to watch you will already be getting from the US. Exceptions are the CBC, TVO and the coming Olympics which will be on CTV. I get several A stations on cable and I can't say that I have ever watched them.
 

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No /A\ Channel stations in Toronto...but you can easily receive them in Toronto. In fact, I can receive their Barrie and London stations very well here in Kitchener.
 

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Barrie is receivable provided you have the right antenna. Being on channel 3 means your spiffy Channel Master 4221HD will in no way, shape or how pick up that station from Toronto.

Bigger is not better for VHF-lo stations: it's necessary.
 

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I picked up CKVR from Mississauga (with a bit of snow but very much watchable) with my EagleStar 53-6305 4221 clone. This was back when I was initially setting up my antenna for DTV and had not pointed it yet it was aimed towards Barrie. I still got WNLO and WIVB from that orentation oddly...it could have been the summer temps, but still...

with a 7777 preamp and the rg6 setup I have now I think it would have been much better. Too bad the antenna is pointed south now. I can still see faint traces of CKVR though. I hope when they do go digital, they will be easier to recieve...

And I'm talking Mississauga right by the lake near Oakville, not the northern parts closer to Barrie.

Not contradicting you whatsoever mr. weather, but just from my observations.. :)

Anyways I think we're getting offtopic the TVO thing lol.
 

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I received an email back from TVO yesterday, describing all the things they're doing to get ready for Aug 31, 2011, but no mention of having HD available to BDUs earlier.
 

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TFO HD

The French language counterpart of TVO, TFO, has been available on Rogers Cable in 720P HD for several weeks on channel 609. HD versions of basic service French language channels SRC, V, TVA, RDI and TV5 are also available. Several other channels that are carried in French service packages are also available in HD to subscribers taking those services.
 

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TVO doesn't seem ready to divulge any details publicly - like when and where they will go digital. The speculation seems to indicate only where they have to and on the deadline date which is probably a good estimate of what the answer will be.

They longer this goes on, the more I start to believe the transition will happen after the deadline and tvo will go dark for a while except if you have cable or satellite.

I notice that TVO has a section on their press releases called "Where to find TVO".

It says "Cable channel 2 (channel may vary in some areas), Bell TV channel 265, Shaw Direct channel 353". No mention of OTA at all.
 

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Yeah, but, if you goto their site, under "contact", they have a FAQ. The first question is answered by listing all the TVO transmission towers. Page 2 of the FAQ answers a question about how to access TVO without cable. Page 3 of the FAQ answers a question about TVO broadcasting in HD, where they discuss picking up OTA using a converter box if using an older TV.

Heh, maybe we should write a question to Steve Paikin of the "Agenda" and ask what the "agenda" is for TVO to convert to OTA digital broadcasting in the near future.
 

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I've had several communications with TVO, and they've consistently indicated that they will be going digital OTA. The process has been slow, as they've been busy upgrading their facilities for HD--and they're not funded with advertising.
 

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TVO DTV transition info

From TVOntario's web site:
TVO reports to the Ontario legislature through the Minister of Education, in accordance with the Ontario Educational Communications Authority Act.
Ideas for someone really wanting to dig into the question of TVO's DTV transition plans:
  • contact TVO directly
  • contact the Ministry of Education
  • ask your MPP to check into it
  • check for any related public documents from Ontario Legislature proceedings (Hansard, appropriate committees, etc.)
  • request documents under the province's Freedom of Information Act (Part II)
 

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Heh, maybe we should write a question to Steve Paikin of the "Agenda" and ask what the "agenda" is for TVO to convert to OTA digital broadcasting in the near future.
That is actually a good idea. The topic could be broadened to "Will Canadian Broadcasters be ready for the Analog Shutdown" though they could spend some of their time discussing the situation at TVO.
 

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http://www.tvo.org/TVO/WebObjects/TVO.woa?videoid?90168068001

Or watch any other Agenda video.

Looks like they're already shooting HD, or at least 16x9. I highly doubt the video is a crop from the SD TVO feed that we see broadcast. I can tell because the watermark is on the bottom right, and it when I zoom in the entire video fits on my 1920x1080 monitor. If it was a crop of the 4:3 TV feed, then the watermark wouldn't even be visible. That [A] logo is where it cuts off on the broadcast version.

Looks like their production end looks ready. Can anyone watching TVO via BDU confirm this?
 

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Their website already talks about the production and editing facility digital update that has taken place. They've got a completely new HD digital production facility up and running.

It's possible--if they're permitted to do so--that we'll see HD TVO via BDU's before digital HD OTA.

The last piece of the puzzle is the digital broadcasting component. Which, due to funding constraints, likely won't happen until conversion date.
 

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It is quite possible they are filming in 16:9 and letter-boxing it on their analog channel. I don't think they have applied for an HD cable feed yet (or at least I don't think it hasn't been published yet).
 

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How sad.

TVO being a publicly-funded network with the most transmitters in the province, I would have at least half-expected them to make OTA a priority over BDUs.

At the very least their main transmitter off the CNTower. I'll put in a good donation to TVO if they can promise such a basic commitment to broadcasting in this province.

My question is why spend all that money getting a digital production facilities and not even broadcasting it? Seems like a total waste of resources. It's good that they're prepared, but I gather the cost of implementing a transmitter would be MUCH less in proportion to the costs they incurred by upgrading their facilities.

What do they have to luse?
 

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now you know why I donate money to my local American PBS station which is WQLN. TVO is a nice station and I believe could benefit if it did more on the OTA side of things.
 

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TVO is largely funded by the province of Ontario. I'd doubt that McGuinty would see any urgency in dishing out funding for digital OTA of TVO prior to the drop dead date, since he likely has premium cable, light-speed internet and premium satelite services at his home and cottage. :p

WQLN is awsome. WNED and TVO should tune into WQLN to see what real programming lineups should look like for public service channels.
 

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How sad.


My question is why spend all that money getting a digital production facilities and not even broadcasting it? Seems like a total waste of resources. It's good that they're prepared, but I gather the cost of implementing a transmitter would be MUCH less in proportion to the costs they incurred by upgrading their facilities.
It's too cost prohibitive for them to do it all at once. Divide and conquer....
 
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