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Another idea. Along with the show airing on Fox, how about if the show is also made available under syndication to any station that wants it, including NBC affiliates?

Imagine the ruckus if some of the NBC affiliates replace Leno's show with Conan's show at 11:35! And yes, many do have the option of replacing late night talk shows with something else. Many years ago, some stations threatened to cut out Conan from the schedule when he introduced The Masturbating Bear. :p

 

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As Jerry Seinfeld said yesterday, they gave Conan the Tonight Show. It's up to him to make it work. I hope he leaves NBC so Jay can get his job back.
And where would Jerry be today if NBC had pulled the plug on "Seinfeld" after only 6 months because of poor ratings, despite having strong lead ins? It took 'Seinfeld' nearly 3 years to gain solid footing.

Strange comment for Jerry to make.
 

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Doubtful that would ever happen Francois. The NBC affiliates wouldn't replace the show; they'd risk getting disaffiliated.

As an aside, I went back and found the original MSNBC article written about the proposed changeover when it was announced in 2004. It highlights the fact that, even in 2004, Conan O'Brien was only drawing about half the viewers that Jay Leno was (2.5 million vs. 5.8 million). Fast forward to 2009, Conan O'Brien is drawing about 2.5 million viewers @ 11:35, while Jay Leno is drawing about 5 million viewers @ 10:00.

So, to me, it's not surprising that Conan O'Brien isn't beating David Letterman, nor is he living up to precedent set by Jay Leno, in terms of number of viewers. They've all maintained the same size audience in 2009/10 as they had in 2004 -- i.e. those watching late night shows, on the whole, like a particular host and tend to stick with them.

Basically, my point is that the whole changeover was a complete waste of time as it hasn't done anything to bolster NBC's position -- if anything, it's only made it worse by reducing their ratings in the 10 pm and 11:35 pm timeslots. Regardless of their timeslot, it was and still is highly unlikely that either one would ever see their ratings improve significantly, especially given that there was no marked increase over the previous 5 years. Thus, from a business perspective, NBC's decision to try to return things to the way they were makes perfect sense -- though, it sucks that it comes at the expense of Jay Leno and Conan O'Brien.
 

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And where would Jerry be today if NBC had pulled the plug on "Seinfeld" after only 6 months because of poor ratings, despite having strong lead ins? It took 'Seinfeld' nearly 3 years to gain solid footing.

Strange comment for Jerry to make.
I don't think your comparison is accurate in this case, as you're ignoring Conan O'Brien's previous tenure as host of Late Night.

As I mentionned in my above post, Conan was averaging about 2.5 million viewers back in 2004. In his six months as host of the Tonight Show, he hasn't gained any traction whatsoever in terms of increasing his audience from those 5 year old ratings numbers. So whether NBC gives him 6 months or 3 years, I don't think they will see any marked improvement. When it comes to late night shows, it's pretty clear that people are set in their ways -- they pick a personality they like and stick with them.

Thus, I think Jerry Seinfeld is correct. NBC gave Conan O'Brien their flagship late night program, the Tonight Show, but in six months, Conan has not been able to build or show signs of building a bigger audience than when he was hosting Late Night. It's been largely status quo (except for the hyped ratings created by his debut and the recent controversy).
 

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jerry seinfeld is saying all that crap because he's in bed with nbc.
seinfeld is producing a show at 10pm that will air on nbc.

and as much as i hate leno for his douchebag move... i don't blame him. sometimes doing the wrong thing is the right thing to do.

i equate this to the "third person" in a relationship. it's the wrong thing to do but if it really is true love, you gotta do what you gotta do. if the relationship was stable to begin with, the third person never would've had a chance. and in this case, as much as i'm a conan fan, he just wasn't pulling in the numbers. i'm pretty sure it wasn't leno who went to nbc to say gimme my job back... it was more like the nbc execs stepping out on conan and asking leno to take the show back.
 

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And where would Jerry be today if NBC had pulled the plug on "Seinfeld" after only 6 months because of poor ratings, despite having strong lead ins? It took 'Seinfeld' nearly 3 years to gain solid footing.
Well, Conan replaced Letterman over at NBC. How many years ago was that? How much more patience does NBC need to have.

Also, it was Leno that was fired. Conan quit and Leno got the Tonight Show back after he quit.

Who knew who Jerry was prior to his show? Besides, NBC only gave the first season of Seinfeld a few episodes so he nearly was cancelled from early on.
 

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Also, it was Leno that was fired. Conan quit and Leno got the Tonight Show back after he quit.
sure, Leno was "fired" and then offered a job that was 10x better. Conan quit because he was getting shafted. let's say your employer comes to you and offers you a huge raise for a new position. then a month into your job he says you still have the position as long as you take the night shift. it's the same job, so it's all good, right? so either move to the new time or quit :p
Conan's error was in not putting 11:35 in his contract, and assuming "the Tonight Show" was always going to be at 11:35.

i like Conan way more than Leno, but i don't blame NBC for making this particular move, as they have a responsibility to get as much viewers as possible, and Jay delivers because he has more mass appeal. but i don't think Conan haters can argue that NBC's decisions upto this point have been totally mental.
and Leno's camp should NOT be surprised that people are seeing him as the bad guy here. there is no way he's the "victim" when his end turns out way better in all this.
 

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If Conan goes on the air at 11:35, it'll further erode The Tonight Show's ratings beyond the erosion that will already occur by the people leaving in disgust over what Leno did.
What exactly did Leno do that was so disgusting? His show didn't fail by NBC's standards--it made money in its time slot. It failed according to the affiliates. Conan had 6 months to improve on his ratings over his 12:35AM show and could not do it. Yes, Leno was given extra time by NBC back in the early 90's, but he didn't have a show before with a built in fan base like Conan did. Conan did not have to throw a hissy fit and leave the Tonight Show when they wanted to move his time slot to 12:05AM.

Leno was offered another time slot after his 10PM show was cancelled and he took the offer--disgusting!:rolleyes:

I like both Leno and Conan--I just wish they both could get along with each and NBC.
 

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I am a Leno fan first and foremost, however I do get a kick out of some of Conan's bits, especially the NBC bashing lately. My family and I would always stay up and watch Leno at 12:35 (Atlantic Time), and we would always watch the monologue, and Headlines/Jaywalking/Photo Booth etc. Those were classic bits and very catchy.

We watched Conan for his first few nights, but after that, we just went to bed. His monologue didn't have enough flow to it, and all the jumping around and dancing didn't help.

I still think Conan is a great entertainer, I just believe he is in the wrong place for his act, and I really like how he is fighting for his staff, very classy.

Point is, Leno was the king of ratings when Conan took over, the ratings suffered, and NBC is trying to fix the problem, can't blame them for that.
 

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I still think Conan is a great entertainer, I just believe he is in the wrong place for his act, and I really like how he is fighting for his staff, very classy.
Hmmm. Well, Conan quit his show and his staff is now unemployed. How is that a help?
 

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Leno's View

Leno gave his side of the events on the Monday Jay Leno show. According to him, NBC was calling all the shots (which makes sense) and is totally responsible for the conflicts and problems. Leno also says that he did not want to leave the Tonight Show but was forced out by NBC. Furthermore, he says he wanted to leave NBC after his 10pm show was canceled but they would not let him out of his contract, forcing him to fulfill it with a half hour 11:35pm show instead. Believe what you want but I believe the man, even if he did gloss over many of the details. Leno also said that they forced him off The Tonight Show 6 years ago because Conan was receiving offers from other companies. So there it is, NBC hedged their bets and kept Conan from leaving by making promises they did not keep. Then they basically screwed Conan to keep Leno, after it became apparent that Leno was still hanging on to #1 ratings with The Tonight Show. A bit of nasty business that. Either way, someone other than NBC was going to get the shaft and Conan was number one on NBC's list.
 

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I watched Leno's explanation and I've gained back the respect I lost for him over the past couple of weeks. Still don't find him funny and I probably won't ever watch the Tonight Show ever again out of principle, but I'm glad somebody came forward with (a version of) the truth.

I'm curious to see if Zucker's severance package will be more than Conan's :rolleyes:
 
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