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I don't understand why Leno is the bad guy. Does he have something in his contract that allows him to make the decision to take back his old timeslot?
 

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Leno is the bad guy because he offered The Tonight Show to Conan five years ago. He even announced it on his own talk show!

Then just before Leno signs off for the last time, NBC offers him his own prime time show. He (again on his own show) stated he'd give it a shot. If it works, fine. If it doesn't work, he still had a good run.

Today, Leno wants his old show back, by force if necessary.

A complete 180.

If Letterman is interested in retiring pretty soon (not impossible -- he's been in the business a very long time), Conan could take over that show. Best of all, Conan and his entire production team would be back in their home town of New York City, which is probably way more civilized than Los Angeles.

Of course, that would mean CBS would be branded the "hand-me-down" network. :) But at least the CBS brass won't be in a rush to cancel Conan. Letterman has been the No. 1 Late Night host only on a few occasions, but at least he did draw enough of an audience to satisfy the heads of CBS while not alienating the affiliates.

It's an idea worth considering.
 

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So why is everyone dumping on Leno and Conan. It's NBC that screwed up. They got the ratings they expected for Leno and didn't see the affiliates' revolt coming. (Never mind that the Leno show is a critical failure.) NBC decided to put Leno on at 10 to cut costs and yanked it off the air 4 months later. Is that Leno's fault? (Sure he could have said no but would you turn down a prime time show and 100 Million dollars?) Conan and Leno are just trying to do comedy. If anyone is the bad guy here, it's Conan for not agreeing to a new time slot. I believe it would work out well for him. In 4.5 years, Leno will retire and the 11:35pm slot will be available. After all, TV is about entertaining viewers and the broadcasters making some money. It's not about Conan's ego. :rolleyes:
 

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It's ALL about ego, from the corporate bigwigs who are out of touch with reality to the stars who are out of touch with their audience. I don't watch any of the late night talk shows, so I just laugh at this.
 

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Conan's argument was that he was protecting the integrity of "The Tonight Show" and it's legacy. If it was bumped to immediately behind the Jay Leno show he'd feel the same effects that he's had the last four months with bookers giving Jay the best talent. The Tonight Show would become more of a two bit show than even Late Night does as at least Late Night is on the opposite coast so you have NBC bookers working with you based on geographic location and not against you.

Leno's 60 or 61 or something and has had that chair for 17 years. Plus he says that his true passion is flying out to Vegas every weekend and doing his stand-up. If Leno had any class, he's give up on the show and focus on his stand-up. Yes, NBC is orchastrating this whole thing but Conan at least has the dignity to say "no". Jay is the sleeze ball who's just going along with it. He got the job the first time with contraversy and will this time as well. Can't wait to see what happens if Jay can't get his ratings back. In the meantime, Shame on Leno.
 

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Another interesting thought.

Leno at 11:35 with identical 10 PM "Jay Leno Show" format. Show tanks within two months. Canceled.

Jimmy Fallon takes over at 11:35. Show tanks within two weeks. Canceled.

THE TONIGHT SHOW with CARSON DALY!

At least there will be a Carson back at the helm! :)
 

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I doubt it will be the same format as the 10pm show. JMZ needs to go and a desk needs to be added.

Stick to the old format and he'll be on top again.

I'm sure the affiliates are very happy. They got their way with NBC.
 

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So why is everyone dumping on Leno and Conan. It's NBC that screwed up.
Let's reflect on that a little more:

A. the issue of trying to keep both Leno and O'Brien actually started 5 or 6 years ago, when NBC feared (with good reason) O'Brien was going to leave for another network at the end of his contract. By dangling the Tonight Show in front of O'Brien, they got him to sign on for another 5 or 6 very profitable years, v. losing him back then to another network;

B. NBC has clearly decided that, unless one of them voluntarily leaves, it will now be forced to pick between Leno and O'Brien. They appear to have chosen Leno, presumably NOT because Leno is a more attractive personality right now, but because they might not have to pay anything to O'Brien, if the rumors about the terms of his deal (no guaranteed time slot) are true;

C. The whole brouhaha has, I have no doubt, driven NBC's ratings through the roof in the lead in to the Olympics, which means NBC is likely to recoup, in due course, some of the money they and their affiliates have lost over the last few months prior to rejigging the late night lineup. Helping to boost NBC's ratings are Letterman, Kimmel, Ferguson, et al, who are obsessing every night about the whole thing and causing (I'm sure) people to tune to Leno/Tonight Show to see what all the fuss is about.

D. The whole thing is raising Leno & O'Brien's market value to the point where Fox or ABC or Comedy Central (NBC's competitors, all) will likely have to pay two or three times what they might have had to pay a few weeks ago to land Leno or O'Brien, once one of them is voted off the island.

Stupid NBC, indeed :rolleyes:
 

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End of story? Hardly.

Carson retired. End of story. Leno didn't want to leave the Tonight Show, he didn't retire. End of story.
Carson simply retired? Um, OK I guess The Last Shift was completely wrong... :rolleyes:

And if Leno didn't want to leave The Tonight Show, then why, exactly, did he announce otherwise years ago? Or was Leno just playing along so that NBC didn't lose Conan? Best case is that he simply changed his mind...and screwed over Conan in the process. Stay classy Jay. :rolleyes:
 

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Leno was making jokes about being fired from the Tonight Show on a regular basis before he left. I'm sure clips exist on Youtube.

In regards to Carson and the HBO movie you referenced, you should remember the part of the movie where he announced his retirement. Everybody was caught off-guard.
 

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To answer the question as to why Leno is the "bad guy" here, my favourite geek columnist, Andy Ihnatko breaks it down Zapruder-film style: http://ihnatko.com/2010/01/14/jay-leno-the-self-styled-forrest-gump-of-late-night/

The Coles Notes version: If Jay was a decent guy, his response to NBC, or anyone who asked, would be (and would have been anytime they pitched something to him): "Right now, there's someone else who has that job, and as long as that's the case, I have no interest in that position/job/timeslot."

And, last night, Letterman pretty much called him out as well, going on and on about how we all know what a "good guy" Leno is, what a decent person he is, helpful, gracious, "man of the people". And then delivered the kill-shot: "Being that he's such a decent guy, he'll do the only thing he can do and step aside and let Conan continue as host of the Tonight Show; because that's the kind of guy he is - putting others first."

Ziinnnng!
 

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Make no mistake. There are no good guys in that business. Just like in politics, given chance, any one of them would screw over anyone else.
 

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No problem. Leno is already doing a great job of trashing NBC. :p
Good one!! :)

I'd be more worried about what both Leno and Conan are saying about NBC during their monologues right now. Especially while the ratings are high. Who cares what Conan says about NBC once he's gone. Or are they worried they have another Letterman on their hands...
 

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NBC DOES have another Letterman on their hands! Even Letterman knows this! How NBC could make the same mistake twice in a row is beyond belief! If Conan goes on the air at 11:35, it'll further erode The Tonight Show's ratings beyond the erosion that will already occur by the people leaving in disgust over what Leno did.

One television critic put it perfectly when they described The Tonight Show as damaged goods that no one would want to touch anymore. NBC has completely destroyed the brand.

On a side note, I really like how Andy Richter has developed on the show. He's like a slightly crazy Ed McMahon. :) Surprisingly, the real McMahon was a frequent and extremely pleasant guest on Tom Green's talk show, the one he films in his living room!
 

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I hope Conan does get a 11:30 show. It will indicate how popular Leno and Letterman are.

In a few months most people will even forget Conan was ever the host. I forget he even had a show until this mess happened a few weeks ago.

It will be a good Trivial Pursuit question in ten years.
 
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