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Bickering aside, I've got to ask this.

What are the viewing habits of people who need a "lead in" to watch local news? If I want to watch local news (and that's big IF) I know exactly when they start and on what channel(s). Are millions of people turning TV first time in their lives every day to say "oh, look ... news ... let's stick with this channel and watch them"?
 

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I think this is what happens: If you watch the show before the local news (and the two hours previously for that matter--but the last hour is more crucial), they have commercials that "tweak" your curiosity about some news story and it makes you want to find out more by staying tuned to the same channel. If you watch Leno, Jay will tell you to "stay tuned to this channel for your local news" twice during his show: Right before the second to last commercial break, and at the end of his show. So obviously the lead-in show is important to the local news channels and their advertisers.
 

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I see the debate as being differences in generations. Reading the
message boards in different sites , Conan has more symphatizers, however
it is normal coz the younger people are on the internet.

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THE UNEASY MIX OF GENERATIONS - Identifying the four distinct groups
in the workplace

For the first time in history, four generations of employees are in
the labor market at the same time. This has happened, says Sprott
School of Business professor Linda Duxbury, because
the "generational markers" of watershed events are closer together
than they used to be. The researcher divides the workforce this way :

WAR AND RETURN OF VETERANS
Those born just before or during the Second World War make up only 8
% of Canada's workforce today. These are the people most influenced
by the veterans who sacrificed for the sake of their children and
influenced their progeny with their traditional values. Work hard
and you'll get ahead.
"We paid them to leave the workplace in the 90's," says Ms.
Duxbury, who praises their dedication and loyalty. "Now you see them
happy to work at McDonald's and Home Depot."

BABY BOOMERS
Born between 1947 and 1964, members of this group enjoyed more job
offers than they could handle when they came out of school, and
stable employment thereafter. Today, boomers make up half of the
labor market, but 60 % of the public service. They want health
benefits and a good pension. And they want to be left alone to do
their job.

GENERATION X
Those born between 1964 and 1974 are "bitter and hostile", suggests
Ms. Duxbury. "They were screwed by demography and hate the Baby
Boomers. When they left school there were only two job offers per
class. They lived through the recessions of the 80s and 90s, jobless
recovery and global competition."
These are disgruntled employees who were told they were lucky to
have a job and were squeezed dry of every drop of work blood,
staying late at the office, forgoing vacations. Fewer than one in
three employees is a Generation Xer today. Yet they are one of the
most valuable labor groups, the first to grow up with computing
technology.

GENERATION Y (ECHO BOOMERS)
Those born between 1975 and 1990 have it "made in the shade",
according to Ms.Duxbury. About 42% as numerous as baby boom cohort,
these young folks know better. Having witnessed the downsizing
experience of their parents, growing up as latchkey kids of divorce,
the echo boom generation doesn't want to make the same mistake. They
are saying, "My whole life is not going to be my job". This group
wants challenging, exciting work, an opportunity to learn and be
mentored. It wants face-to-face discussions, flexible hours,
more vacation time and fair pay. Money isn't no. 1.
"We raised them to argue. We educated them to question and make
their case. They don't believe in the hierarchy. They can be tiring
as employees."
"However, if you don't deliver," warns Duxbury, "the 20 yr old will
leave. About 47% of 20-29 yr olds live at home, so they don't worry
about whether or not they have another job to go to. If they hate
you, they leave, and they tell all their friends on Facebook
 

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All shows need a strong lead in. People walking away from the tv and forgetting to turn the channel(or falling asleep) are viewers.

I'm not sure why anybody would be insulting Leno. First he was fired from the Tonight Show (or use any word you think is more fitting) then his Prime time show is cancelled. He is then offered only a 30 minute show.

Conan, with bad ratings got to keep the most famous show on late night tv with only a minor movement in the timeslot.

Can you imagine a prime time actor bitching that his show was move by 30 minutes?
 

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What are the viewing habits of people who need a "lead in" to watch local news?
Viewing habits of the general audience differ from us PVR-owning, "tech savvy!" posters here on the boards. We watch what we want, when we want. But most viewers still follow the grand, 50-year-old tradition of watching live and being influenced by promos of what's up next. Thus, lead-ins are important. Egad, I bet these viewers even watch commercials - possibly with the sound on!
 

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We're talking about different things here. If a show is struggling then moving it against stiff competition will even further hurt the ratings.

Moving Leno results in better ratings for the news which leads to a good lead-in for Leno which leads to a good lead in for O'brain.

The competition is basically the same with stronger lead-ins. I can't see the ratings going down only up.

If somebody told me that Letterman was moving to 12:05 AM I wouldn't suddenly stop watching. I would just adjust my PVR timers.
 

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The thing is, Jay Leno did horrible in the ratings too back in 1992 when he took over for Carson... it took him maybe a year and a half to start beating Letterman, which he did all the way through to 2009 (which again begs the question, why is NBC so effing stupid that they replaced him with Conan in the first place?).

So my point is they should have gave Conan more than just a few months to get better ratings. And like Conan said in his statement, Leno was getting a hell of a lot better primetime lead-in shows than Conan is (Leno had big dramas/local news, Conan has the crappy Leno Show and local news).
 

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Moving Leno results in better ratings for the news which leads to a good lead-in for Leno which leads to a good lead in for O'brain.
I think Conan's point is the REmoving Leno from primetime and leaving him in the traditional Tonight Show time slot will improve his (Conan's) ratings immediately.
 

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"What are the viewing habits of people who need a "lead in" to watch local news? If I want to watch local news (and that's big IF) I know exactly when they start and on what channel(s). Are millions of people turning TV first time in their lives every day to say "oh, look ... news ... let's stick with this channel and watch them"? "

My thoughts, exactly! Every night, at 11 pm, I turn to Global BC and then at 11:30 pm I switch to CTV Vancouver to get their take on Local News. I can't see why you would need a "strong lead in" to watch your favourite local News channel.
BTW Apparently, Jimmy Kimmel "mocked Jay Leno" by wearing a gray wig and fake chin last night on his show and when I click on the video of this (You tube and many others) I get:"This video contains content from Jimmy Kimmel Live, who has decided to block it in your country." Does anybody have a link to the clip in question? Thanks
 

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I'm betting that Jay will do the last honorable thing left which would be to resign completely from NBC. Then NBC would have to sweet talk Conan PDQ or else they'd be out two which would be completely hilarious!! That would mean "The Tonight Show with Jimmy Falon"? Maybe Jimmy Kimmel? Or maybe even David Letterman.

I've got a pair of tickets to be in the audience for what may be Conan's last week. If it is, that should make the taping pretty interesting. But I've got the feeling Jay will stand down and NBC with patch things up with Conan.
 

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The thing is, Jay Leno did horrible in the ratings too back in 1992 when he took over for Carson... it took him maybe a year and a half to start beating Letterman, which he did all the way through to 2009 (which again begs the question, why is NBC so effing stupid that they replaced him with Conan in the first place?).

So my point is they should have gave Conan more than just a few months to get better ratings. And like Conan said in his statement, Leno was getting a hell of a lot better prime time lead-in shows than Conan is (Leno had big dramas/local news, Conan has the crappy Leno Show and local news).
Back in 2004 Conan's contract was up and he was thinking of going to another network. NBC in their infinite wisdom decided to offer him the Tonight Show in 2009 to keep him on board. At the same time, I believe Leno signed a contract to do the tonight show only until 2009. NBC didn't think that Leno would still be doing so well in the ratings when the transfer occurred, or that he still wanted to work, so as to not lose Leno they decided to offer him the 10PM spot.

Leno's "crappy" show actually gets the same ratings as he did with the Tonight Show, but you need better ratings in prime time than you do at 11:35PM to be successful. I think that the lead-in show for the local news is more important for ratings than a lead-in show for a late-night talk show. Everyone likes someone different so they will make the effort to change channels to a host they like the best. Or they will check the guide to see who is on each show each night and make up their mind which one to watch that way.

I know a lot of people who don't like Conan have switched over to Letterman--and it shows in the ratings. That doesn't mean that Conan is bad, they just don't like his style of humour.
 

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Coco is loco

Conan is unwatchable. He's juvenile but thinks he's witty. At the same time, he's one arrogant, sob. He can't accept anyone getting the last laugh even an invited legitimate comic. He has to continually one-up any guest with his childish antics to get the zombie audience to laugh.

Leno may not be enough "off the wall" to please the below 49 crowd but he respects his guests and has always been a gentleman. many of his regular segments are hilarious - Jaywalking, Battle of All Stars, headlines etc.
Better guests too. Who wants to be shadowed by Conan the Barbie Player ?

The error was NBC's for ever trying to keep Conan happy 5 years ago. They should have let him walk then and saved everyone this debacle.

Conan does not have the class to be hosting this show.

By the way, fallon is no better. what a waste of two hours.

Get rid of both. Put Leno back with the 2nd hour to someone really funny - maybe Chelsea Handler or Russell Brand or even Jimmy Kimmel ...there are many others
 

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First off, I have to say I am with Conan all the way, whatever he decides to do. That said, right now the NBC Schedule is like this:

8-10pm: Primetime Block, 10-11pm: Jay Leno Show, 11-1134pm: Local News, 1134pm-1237am: Tonight Show w/Conan, 1237-136am: Late Night w/Jimmy Fallon, 136am: Last Call w/Carson Daly.

So NBC wants to cut out the Jay Leno show between 10-11pm which would allot them another hour for primetime dramas which would apparently keep more viewers sticking around for the local news, right? Then they want to give Leno an abbreviated version of the old show from 11:34pm-12:05am which would make the Tonight Show start 30mins later than usual?

The only argument Conan has is that he doesn't want the show to start later because it's always been aired at the same time for the last few decades, correct? That and Jay will be stealing some thunder because he has the better timeslot and a lot of people go to bed around that time so the Late Night timeblock is make-or-break.

So if Conan DOES move to FOX, they will likely put him on at 10:35(after local news) because FOX only has a 2-hour primetime block and requires its affiliates to show news at 10pm instead of 11pm. This would give him an hour advantage over all the other talk shows and FOX's ratings could only go up because they have nothing but re-runs or infomercials filling time after the news.
 

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Leno may not be enough "off the wall" to please the below 49 crowd but he respects his guests and has always been a gentleman.
When did Conan ever disrespect his guests? :confused:

Your first paragraph makes me wonder whether you've even watched Conan. If you have, clearly the humour is being lost on you, and you should stick to watching Leno.
 

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I like Leno for his Headlines, Jaywalking and animal segments. He doesn't do very good interviews because he stays to the script too much and doesn't really listen to what the person is saying sometimes.

I like Conan for his "Year 3000" and Celebrity poll segments. He is a better interviewer than Leno.

Jimmy Fallon is the worst interviewer of the current late night TV hosts.

I like Letterman for his interviewing skills. He is the best interviewer of them all. IMHO.
 

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jumpy27, I would agree with those comments.

Fallon has the best skits & games (7th Floor West is pure gold). If you're a fan of SNL during Fallon's stint, you're probably a fan of his show.

All 4 have excellent musical acts.
 
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