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I don't know why this hasn't been attempted before. I had some degree of success if you believe signal meters and the Spectrum analyzer. The hack appears to have worked to different degrees on different channels.

I took two Televes DAT BOSS LR Mix antennas and made one. I remember watching the Solid Signal video of Stuart putting a stock DAT BOSS LR together and state how hard it was and how heavy it was and how it would take two people to install it. Even at twice the size, this is a one-hander. Yeah, it's big. But not heavy, slightly awkward.

But first , I decided just to add the front end sections from one DAT to the other:



Here is "Mod 1" it was pretty solid, but I decided not to put it up until I braced the extended booms:

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The donor and the cannibal:

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This is "Mod 2" I felt I had to do some strengthening, so I added the front brace and some other minor enhancements:

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I put it up and did scans on it and a stock DAT BOSS LR, it was definitely an improvement especially on some lower channels. I am aimed at Milwaukee 50 miles to the north:
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For those of you that know me, I'm never satisfied with "good enough".

So, I endeavored to take the rest of the pieces off of the donor antenna and add them to my new "DAT XLR":

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My son, just helping me, he picked up on some great life skills, hacksawing, drilling, fitting, using a level and hammering without destroying! It's not our first.

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A proud young man:

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Test results in the next post











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After 3 days of tweaking, and some wind there was some anticipation. I climbed the ladder, The antenna is big, but light. So, getting it up on the mast, there's a little bit of a challenge only because there was an intermittent strong Breeze. As soon as I would lift the antenna up to start putting the clamps on the breeze would come.

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I usually do everything after work. Saturday was no exception. But I got it up just before Sunset:
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So, I ran some scans with the RTL SDR. I know this doesn't tell the whole story, but it definitely performs better then the test baseline subject, the stock factory DAT BOSS LR :

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These tests could be flawed for a number of reasons:

#1) the fact that one antenna is on a different mast and the aim may not be the same.

#2) as seen in the photo there isn't much space between the "163 XG" and the "DAT XLR" You guys know more than I do, but I believe they are too close to each other.

#3) The AGC preamps on both antennas are active. However, I did several overlapping test on each antenna and compared them. The tests were consistent. The spectrograms are consistent and mirror each other for the most part.


Here's an afternoon Screenshot:
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How about some boring Channel information? I'm glad you asked...:cool:!

I'll start with one of the more difficult channels. I do most of my testing aimed at Milwaukee, simply because my Chicago view is corrupted by trees. Also, Milwaukee is at least 10 more miles distant so the challenges are more realistic.

I'm lucky to get in RF 16. WYTU-LD. 12.7 dB signal margin on my RabbitEars.Info report.

RF 16:
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RF 27:
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RF 28:
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RF28:
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I had to skip RF30, the screenshot didn't "take".

RF31:
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RF32:
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RF35:
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Looking for opinions or comments.
Worth it or not?
Could design be improved?
Upper and lower boom angles, could increasing or reducing the angles help?
What effect would a larger reflector have?

Thanks !






















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Antenna DAT-75 import of http://www.hdtvprimer.com/SIMS/dat75a.ez for 4nec2

A - Antenna original Dat75
B - Add up of 9 directors
C - Boom increasing the angles
D - Boom reducing the angles
E - Effect of a larger reflector
F - Effect of a larger director
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frequency (MHz)  Gain:   A       B       C       D       E       F
           470         11.57   12.12   11.99   12.22   12.36   12.98
           605         13.98   14.94   14.66   15.18   15.51   16.37
           790         17.37   18.77   18.73   17.99   17.94   16.42
Are alone possible gain simulated of the antenna DAT-75 very similar to his antenna with the modifications that realize and those that wants to realize, but the different result.
Larger the serious director something complicated.
 

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Antenna DAT-75 import of http://www.hdtvprimer.com/SIMS/dat75a.ez for 4nec2

A - Antenna original Dat75
B - Add up of 9 directors
C - Boom increasing the angles
D - Boom reducing the angles
E - Effect of a larger reflector
F - Effect of a larger director
View attachment 11606
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frequency (MHz)  Gain:   A       B       C       D       E       F
           470         11.57   12.12   11.99   12.22   12.36   12.98
           605         13.98   14.94   14.66   15.18   15.51   16.37
           790         17.37   18.77   18.73   17.99   17.94   16.42
Are alone possible gain simulated of the antenna DAT-75 very similar to his antenna with the modifications that realize and those that wants to realize, but the different result.
Larger the serious director something complicated.
Thank you Jop. I hadn't realized that you had replied. Obviously this is a computer simulation? Has anybody tried this that you know? The DAT 75 has been obsolete for some time. Also to most of the spectrum in your simulations is no longer available in the US market. You may know this but our spectrum is 470 to 608 Mhz.

I think something is a little bit lost in the translation. I don't recognize the flag, what country are you in? Thank you . I would like to see more information if you have it.

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It is only an example because of the similarity with your antenna, it is the most likely thing that will happen when the changes that arise are made, I do not know if someone tried it when you seem to be the first.
Apparently your antenna would be like the following image:
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The frequency it covers is from 470 to 698 Mhz old UHF band unless specifically made for the new band from 470 to 608 Mhz U.S.

document specifications:
L_Gama_DATBOSS_TForce_US_[PLA02170003].pdf
 

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It is only an example because of the similarity with your antenna, it is the most likely thing that will happen when the changes that arise are made, I do not know if someone tried it when you seem to be the first.
Apparently your antenna would be like the following image:
View attachment 11610
The frequency it covers is from 470 to 698 Mhz old UHF band unless specifically made for the new band from 470 to 608 Mhz U.S.

document specifications:
L_Gama_DATBOSS_TForce_US_[PLA02170003].pdf
Yes, I know about the DAT BOSS MIX LR of course plenty of specifications for that.

I was more interested in your simulations. To improve my design. I do not model antennas but I do like to see the different models/designs.

I see you are in Bolivia. Thank you for your interest.

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Good modification! Looks like a great kid you have there. I have a son about the same age; it’s really rewarding to have them help out. Mine helps me all the time. My dad showed me how to build and fix things when I was young, and it’s helped me all my life.
 

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The most appropriate thing will be to model the LR antenna and test the modifications you want to make, if you upload an image with the measurements I can do it.
 

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The most appropriate thing will be to model the LR antenna and test the modifications you want to make, if you upload an image with the measurements I can do it.
Okay, winter is coming to the Chicago area. I'll probably have one chance to take down one of my DATs. I can probably get those measurements for you.
 

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Take with tranquillity, better wait for spring.

Make this antenna of images and referential dimensions from the web, if the measurements are similar it will have little variation with the real dimensions, the difficulty of modeling this antenna is in the stub to combine UHF and VHF, use a simple stub to combine it so It is probably the reason that it does not match the reference gain of the DAT antenna. So here you have the model in 4nec2.

Antenna low wire Code:
Code:
CM ANTENNA DAT BOSS MIX LR (UHF-VHF HIGH)
CM DIMENSION IN METER
CM Dimensions Approximate in relation to length=82.9" Height=28.9" Width=33.9"
CM Not represent the dimensions real of the antenna DAT
CMD--OPT -s(470,12,20) -t(13.5,15.2,18,17,16.75,15) --swr-target=2.7
CMD--OPT --target-function=(.5*max_gain_diff+.5*max_f2r_diff+max_f2b_diff)
CMD--OPT --de-np=50 -r restart.log
CMD--OPT --auto-segmentation=15 --char-impedance=300 --num-cores=4
CMD--EVAL --auto-segmentation=0 --char-impedance=300 --num-cores=4
CMD--EVAL -s(446,12,30)
CE
SY Rsrc=1.16e-3    'SOURCE wire radius, adjust for AGT=1.0: UHF=1.14e-3
SY Relem=3.429e-3    'Element radius
SY Angle=60
SY Angle1=90-Angle
SY Angle1a=Angle1
SY Angledir=6.7    '6.5, 6.8
SY Angle2=90-Angledir
SY Angle2d=Angle2
SY BSEP=0.025    '0.0225, 0.0275
SY BSEPd=0.055    '0.025, 0.075
SY RSEPU=0.148    '0.1385, 0.16
SY RsepxV=0.185    '0.155, 0.195
SY RSEPV=RSEPU+RsepxV
SY DSEPU=0.0235    '0.0127, 0.025
SY rL1=0.216    '0.22, 0.26
SY rL2=0.408    '0.39, 0.44
SY dL1=0.0794    '0.0762, 0.086
SY D12=0.054
SY D23=0.079
SY D34=0.106
SY DirSepu=0.05    '0.025, 0.075
SY DirSepx=0.127    '0.125, 0.135
SY Dr12=0.12
SY X1Stub=0.2617
SY Y1Stub=3.8e-3
SY X1ra=RSEPU    'Projection of R1 on X-Axis
SY X2ra=X1ra-(D12*sin(Angle1a))
SY X3ra=X2ra-(D12*sin(Angle1a))
SY X4ra=X3ra-(D23*sin(Angle1a))
SY X5ra=X4ra-(D23*sin(Angle1a))
SY X6ra=X5ra-(D34*sin(Angle1a))
SY Z1ra=BSEP    'Projection of R1 on Z-Axis
SY Z2ra=Z1ra+(D12*sin(Angle))
SY Z3ra=Z2ra+(D12*sin(Angle))
SY Z4ra=Z3ra+(D23*sin(Angle))
SY Z5ra=Z4ra+(D23*sin(Angle))
SY Z6ra=Z5ra+(D34*sin(Angle))
SY X1rb=RSEPV    'Projection of R1 on X-Axis
SY X2rb=RSEPV-(Dr12*sin(Angle1a))
SY Z1rb=BSEP    'Projection of R1 on Z-Axis
SY Z2rb=BSEP+(Dr12*sin(Angle))
SY X1da=DSEPU+DirSepu    'Projection of D1 on X-Axis
SY X2da=X1da+DirSepx
SY X3da=X2da+DirSepx
SY X4da=X3da+DirSepx
SY X5da=X4da+DirSepx
SY X6da=X5da+DirSepx
SY X7da=X6da+DirSepx
SY X8da=X7da+DirSepx
SY X9da=X8da+DirSepx
SY X10da=X9da+DirSepx
SY X11da=X10da+DirSepx
SY X12da=X11da+DirSepx
SY X13da=X12da+DirSepx
SY X1dc=DSEPU+DirSepu    'Projection of D2 on X-Axis
SY X2dc=X1dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angle2d))
SY X3dc=X2dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angle2d))
SY X4dc=X3dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angle2d))
SY X5dc=X4dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angle2d))
SY X6dc=X5dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angle2d))
SY X7dc=X6dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angle2d))
SY X8dc=X7dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angle2d))
SY X9dc=X8dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angle2d))
SY X10dc=X9dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angle2d))
SY X11dc=X10dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angle2d))
SY X12dc=X11dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angle2d))
SY X13dc=X12dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angle2d))
SY X14dc=X13dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angle2d))
SY Z1dc=BSEPd    'Projection of D2 on Z-Axis
SY Z2dc=Z1dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angledir))
SY Z3dc=Z2dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angledir))
SY Z4dc=Z3dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angledir))
SY Z5dc=Z4dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angledir))
SY Z6dc=Z5dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angledir))
SY Z7dc=Z6dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angledir))
SY Z8dc=Z7dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angledir))
SY Z9dc=Z8dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angledir))
SY Z10dc=Z9dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angledir))
SY Z11dc=Z10dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angledir))
SY Z12dc=Z11dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angledir))
SY Z13dc=Z12dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angledir))
SY Z14dc=Z13dc+(DirSepx*sin(Angledir))
GW    1    1    0    0.0225    0    0    0.037    0    1.016e-3
GW    2    2    0    0.037    0    0    0.0372    9.2e-3    2.54e-4
GW    3    2    0    0.0372    9.2e-3    0    0.0384    0.0209    2.54e-4
GW    4    2    0    0.0384    0.0209    0    0.0417    0.0335    2.54e-4
GW    5    2    0    0.0417    0.0335    0    0.0479    0.0448    2.54e-4
GW    6    2    0    0.0479    0.0448    0    0.0524    0.0493    2.54e-4
GW    7    2    0    0.0524    0.0493    0    0.057    0.053    2.54e-4
GW    8    2    0    0.057    0.053    0    0.0625    0.0553    2.54e-4
GW    9    2    0    0.0625    0.0553    0    0.0676    0.0575    2.54e-4
GW    10    2    0    0.0676    0.0575    0    0.0759    0.0599    2.54e-4
GW    11    2    0    0.0759    0.0599    0    0.0839    0.0615    2.54e-4
GW    12    2    0    0.0839    0.0615    0    0.0923    0.0623    2.54e-4
GW    13    3    0    0.0923    0.0623    0    0.1061    0.0633    2.54e-4
GW    14    3    0    0.1061    0.0633    0    0.1199    0.0638    2.54e-4
GW    15    3    0    0.1199    0.0638    0    0.134    0.0643    2.54e-4
GW    16    3    0    0.134    0.0643    0    0.1483    0.0647    2.54e-4
GW    17    1    0    0.1483    0.0647    0    0.1515    0.0629    2.54e-4
GW    18    1    0    0.1515    0.0629    0    0.1544    0.0592    2.54e-4
GW    19    1    0    0.1544    0.0592    0    0.1571    0.0554    2.54e-4
GW    20    1    0    0.1571    0.0554    0    0.1569    0.0525    2.54e-4
GW    21    1    0    0.1569    0.0525    0    0.1547    0.0511    2.54e-4
GW    22    1    0    0.1547    0.0511    0    0.1497    0.051    2.54e-4
GW    23    3    0    0.1497    0.051    0    0.1359    0.0506    2.54e-4
GW    24    3    0    0.1359    0.0506    0    0.1226    0.0488    2.54e-4
GW    25    3    0    0.1226    0.0488    0    0.1094    0.046    2.54e-4
GW    26    3    0    0.1094    0.046    0    0.0966    0.0417    2.54e-4
GW    27    2    0    0.0966    0.0417    0    0.0897    0.043    2.54e-4
GW    28    2    0    0.0897    0.043    0    0.0824    0.0442    2.54e-4
GW    29    1    0    0.0824    0.0442    0    0.0745    0.0451    2.54e-4
GW    30    2    0    0.0745    0.0451    0    0.0685    0.046    2.54e-4
GW    31    2    0    0.0685    0.046    0    0.062    0.046    2.54e-4
GW    32    1    0    0.062    0.046    0    0.0565    0.0435    2.54e-4
GW    33    1    0    0.0565    0.0435    0    0.057    0.0376    2.54e-4
GW    34    1    0    0.057    0.0376    0    0.0613    0.0342    2.54e-4
GW    35    1    0    0.0613    0.0342    0    0.0668    0.0331    2.54e-4
GW    36    1    0    0.0668    0.0331    0    0.0723    0.032    2.54e-4
GW    37    1    0    0.0723    0.032    0    0.0788    0.0306    2.54e-4
GW    38    2    0    0.0788    0.0306    0    0.0727    0.0252    2.54e-4
GW    39    2    0    0.0727    0.0252    0    0.0674    0.0189    2.54e-4
GW    40    2    0    0.0674    0.0189    0    0.064    0.0113    2.54e-4
GW    41    1    0    0.064    0.0113    0    0.0628    5.2e-3    2.54e-4
GW    42    1    0    0.0628    5.2e-3    0    0.0626    0    2.54e-4
GW    43    1    3.2e-3    0.1474    -1.7e-3    3.2e-3    0.1474    1.7e-3    2.54e-4
GW    44    1    3.2e-3    0.1474    1.7e-3    3.2e-3    0.1446    5.3e-3    2.54e-4
GW    45    1    3.2e-3    0.1446    5.3e-3    3.2e-3    0.1408    8.5e-3    2.54e-4
GW    46    2    3.2e-3    0.1408    8.5e-3    3.2e-3    0.1342    0.0128    2.54e-4
GW    47    2    3.2e-3    0.1342    0.0128    3.2e-3    0.1275    0.0163    2.54e-4
GW    48    2    3.2e-3    0.1275    0.0163    3.2e-3    0.1193    0.0201    2.54e-4
GW    49    2    3.2e-3    0.1193    0.0201    3.2e-3    0.1108    0.0234    2.54e-4
GW    50    2    3.2e-3    0.1108    0.0234    3.2e-3    0.1021    0.0263    2.54e-4
GW    51    2    3.2e-3    0.1021    0.0263    3.2e-3    0.0935    0.0292    2.54e-4
GW    52    2    3.2e-3    0.0935    0.0292    3.2e-3    0.087    0.0307    2.54e-4
GW    53    2    3.2e-3    0.087    0.0307    3.2e-3    0.0804    0.0323    2.54e-4
GW    54    1    3.2e-3    0.0804    0.0323    3.2e-3    0.0737    0.0337    2.54e-4
GW    55    1    3.2e-3    0.0737    0.0337    3.2e-3    0.0679    0.0349    2.54e-4
GW    56    1    3.2e-3    0.0679    0.0349    3.2e-3    0.063    0.036    2.54e-4
GW    57    1    3.2e-3    0.063    0.036    3.2e-3    0.0591    0.0385    2.54e-4
GW    58    1    3.2e-3    0.0591    0.0385    3.2e-3    0.0592    0.0424    2.54e-4
GW    59    1    3.2e-3    0.0592    0.0424    3.2e-3    0.06325    0.044    2.54e-4
GW    60    1    3.2e-3    0.06325    0.044    3.2e-3    0.069    0.0435    2.54e-4
GW    61    1    3.2e-3    0.069    0.0435    3.2e-3    0.0749    0.0426    2.54e-4
GW    62    1    3.2e-3    0.0749    0.0426    3.2e-3    0.0824    0.0415    2.54e-4
GW    63    2    3.2e-3    0.0824    0.0415    3.2e-3    0.0891    0.0403    2.54e-4
GW    64    2    3.2e-3    0.0891    0.0403    3.2e-3    0.0961    0.0389    2.54e-4
GW    65    2    3.2e-3    0.0961    0.0389    3.2e-3    0.1051    0.037    2.54e-4
GW    66    2    3.2e-3    0.1051    0.037    3.2e-3    0.1145    0.0345    2.54e-4
GW    67    2    3.2e-3    0.1145    0.0345    3.2e-3    0.1237    0.032    2.54e-4
GW    68    2    3.2e-3    0.1237    0.032    3.2e-3    0.1328    0.0288    2.54e-4
GW    69    2    3.2e-3    0.1328    0.0288    3.2e-3    0.1409    0.0254    2.54e-4
GW    70    2    3.2e-3    0.1409    0.0254    3.2e-3    0.1495    0.0212    2.54e-4
GW    71    2    3.2e-3    0.1495    0.0212    3.2e-3    0.1568    0.0156    2.54e-4
GW    72    2    3.2e-3    0.1568    0.0156    3.2e-3    0.1619    8.1e-3    2.54e-4
GW    73    2    3.2e-3    0.1619    8.1e-3    3.2e-3    0.1634    0    2.54e-4
GW    74    1    3.2e-3    0.15465    4.9e-3    3.2e-3    0.1566    0    2.54e-4
GW    119    1    3.2e-3    0.1566    0    3.2e-3    0.1634    0    2.54e-4
GW    75    2    3.2e-3    0.1474    1.7e-3    3.2e-3    0.15465    4.9e-3    2.54e-4
GW    118    2    3.2e-3    0.15465    4.9e-3    3.2e-3    0.1619    8.1e-3    2.54e-4
GW    76    4    3.2e-3    0.1446    5.3e-3    3.2e-3    0.1568    0.0156    2.54e-4
GW    77    4    3.2e-3    0.1408    8.5e-3    3.2e-3    0.1495    0.0212    2.54e-4
GW    78    4    3.2e-3    0.1342    0.0128    3.2e-3    0.1409    0.0254    2.54e-4
GW    79    3    3.2e-3    0.1275    0.0163    3.2e-3    0.1328    0.0288    2.54e-4
GW    80    3    3.2e-3    0.1193    0.0201    3.2e-3    0.1237    0.032    2.54e-4
GW    81    3    3.2e-3    0.1108    0.0234    3.2e-3    0.1145    0.0345    2.54e-4
GW    82    3    3.2e-3    0.1021    0.0263    3.2e-3    0.1051    0.037    2.54e-4
GW    83    3    3.2e-3    0.0935    0.0292    3.2e-3    0.0961    0.0389    2.54e-4
GW    84    2    3.2e-3    0.087    0.0307    3.2e-3    0.0891    0.0403    2.54e-4
GW    85    2    3.2e-3    0.0804    0.0323    3.2e-3    0.0824    0.0415    2.54e-4
GW    86    2    3.2e-3    0.0737    0.0337    3.2e-3    0.0749    0.0426    2.54e-4
GW    87    2    3.2e-3    0.0679    0.0349    3.2e-3    0.069    0.0435    2.54e-4
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GW    343    6    0    -0.0384    0.0209    0    -0.064    0.0113    2.54e-4
GW    344    6    0    -0.0417    0.0335    0    -0.0674    0.0189    2.54e-4
GW    345    2    0    -0.0479    0.0448    0    -0.057    0.0376    2.54e-4
GW    346    3    0    -0.0613    0.0342    0    -0.0727    0.0252    2.54e-4
GW    347    2    0    -0.0524    0.0493    0    -0.0565    0.0435    2.54e-4
GW    348    3    0    -0.057    0.053    0    -0.062    0.046    2.54e-4
GW    349    3    0    -0.0625    0.0553    0    -0.0685    0.046    2.54e-4
GW    350    3    0    -0.0676    0.0575    0    -0.0745    0.0451    2.54e-4
GW    351    4    0    -0.0759    0.0599    0    -0.0824    0.0442    2.54e-4
GW    352    5    0    -0.0839    0.0615    0    -0.0897    0.043    2.54e-4
GW    353    6    0    -0.0923    0.0623    0    -0.0966    0.0417    2.54e-4
GW    354    5    0    -0.1061    0.0633    0    -0.1094    0.046    2.54e-4
GW    355    4    0    -0.1199    0.0638    0    -0.1226    0.0488    2.54e-4
GW    356    4    0    -0.134    0.0643    0    -0.1359    0.0506    2.54e-4
GW    357    4    0    -0.1483    0.0647    0    -0.1497    0.051    2.54e-4
GW    980    1    -0.0235    -0.0225    0    -0.0235    -0.0185    -0.0181    3.e-3
GW    981    11    -0.0235    -0.323    0    -0.0235    -0.0225    0    3.429e-3
GW    982    1    -0.0235    0.0185    -0.0181    -0.0235    0.0225    0    3.e-3
GW    983    11    -0.0235    0.0225    0    -0.0235    0.323    0    3.429e-3
GW    990    1    X1Stub    Y1Stub    -0.027    X1Stub    -Y1Stub    -0.027    Rsrc
GW    991    25    X1Stub    Y1Stub    -0.027    7.7e-3    Y1Stub    -0.027    3.1e-4
GW    992    25    X1Stub    -Y1Stub    -0.027    7.5e-3    -Y1Stub    -0.027    3.1e-4
GW    993    2    7.7e-3    Y1Stub    -0.027    -6.2e-3    8.9e-3    -0.0245    6.4e-4
GW    994    2    7.5e-3    -Y1Stub    -0.027    -6.4e-3    -8.9e-3    -0.0245    6.4e-4
GW    995    3    -6.2e-3    8.9e-3    -0.0245    -0.0235    0.0185    -0.0181    1.016e-3
GW    996    3    -6.4e-3    -8.9e-3    -0.0245    -0.0235    -0.0185    -0.0181    1.016e-3
GW    997    1    -0.0235    -0.0225    0    0    -0.0225    0    3.1e-3
GW    998    1    -0.0235    0.0225    0    0    0.0225    0    3.1e-3
GW    1000    17    -X1ra    -rL1    Z1ra    -X1ra    rL1    Z1ra    Relem
GW    1001    17    -X2ra    -rL1    Z2ra    -X2ra    rL1    Z2ra    Relem
GW    1002    17    -X3ra    -rL1    Z3ra    -X3ra    rL1    Z3ra    Relem
GW    1003    17    -X4ra    -rL1    Z4ra    -X4ra    rL1    Z4ra    Relem
GW    1004    17    -X5ra    -rL1    Z5ra    -X5ra    rL1    Z5ra    Relem
GW    1005    17    -X6ra    -rL1    Z6ra    -X6ra    rL1    Z6ra    Relem
GW    1006    17    -X1ra    -rL1    -Z1ra    -X1ra    rL1    -Z1ra    Relem
GW    1007    17    -X2ra    -rL1    -Z2ra    -X2ra    rL1    -Z2ra    Relem
GW    1008    17    -X3ra    -rL1    -Z3ra    -X3ra    rL1    -Z3ra    Relem
GW    1009    17    -X4ra    -rL1    -Z4ra    -X4ra    rL1    -Z4ra    Relem
GW    1010    17    -X5ra    -rL1    -Z5ra    -X5ra    rL1    -Z5ra    Relem
GW    1011    17    -X6ra    -rL1    -Z6ra    -X6ra    rL1    -Z6ra    Relem
GW    1012    29    -X1rb    -rL2    Z1rb    -X1rb    rL2    Z1rb    Relem
GW    1013    29    -X2rb    -rL2    Z2rb    -X2rb    rL2    Z2rb    Relem
GW    1014    29    -X1rb    -rL2    -Z1rb    -X1rb    rL2    -Z1rb    Relem
GW    1015    29    -X2rb    -rL2    -Z2rb    -X2rb    rL2    -Z2rb    Relem
GW    1020    5    DSEPU    -dL1    0    DSEPU    dL1    0    Relem
GW    1021    5    X1da    -dL1    0    X1da    dL1    0    Relem
GW    1022    5    X2da    -dL1    0    X2da    dL1    0    Relem
GW    1023    5    X3da    -dL1    0    X3da    dL1    0    Relem
GW    1024    5    X4da    -dL1    0    X4da    dL1    0    Relem
GW    1025    5    X5da    -dL1    0    X5da    dL1    0    Relem
GW    1026    5    X6da    -dL1    0    X6da    dL1    0    Relem
GW    1027    5    X7da    -dL1    0    X7da    dL1    0    Relem
GW    1028    5    X8da    -dL1    0    X8da    dL1    0    Relem
GW    1029    5    X9da    -dL1    0    X9da    dL1    0    Relem
GW    1030    5    X10da    -dL1    0    X10da    dL1    0    Relem
GW    1031    5    X11da    -dL1    0    X11da    dL1    0    Relem
GW    1032    5    X12da    -dL1    0    X12da    dL1    0    Relem
GW    1033    5    X13da    -dL1    0    X13da    dL1    0    Relem
GW    1035    5    X1dc    -dL1    Z1dc    X1dc    dL1    Z1dc    Relem
GW    1036    5    X2dc    -dL1    Z2dc    X2dc    dL1    Z2dc    Relem
GW    1037    5    X3dc    -dL1    Z3dc    X3dc    dL1    Z3dc    Relem
GW    1038    5    X4dc    -dL1    Z4dc    X4dc    dL1    Z4dc    Relem
GW    1039    5    X5dc    -dL1    Z5dc    X5dc    dL1    Z5dc    Relem
GW    1040    5    X6dc    -dL1    Z6dc    X6dc    dL1    Z6dc    Relem
GW    1041    5    X7dc    -dL1    Z7dc    X7dc    dL1    Z7dc    Relem
GW    1042    5    X8dc    -dL1    Z8dc    X8dc    dL1    Z8dc    Relem
GW    1043    5    X9dc    -dL1    Z9dc    X9dc    dL1    Z9dc    Relem
GW    1044    5    X10dc    -dL1    Z10dc    X10dc    dL1    Z10dc    Relem
GW    1045    5    X11dc    -dL1    Z11dc    X11dc    dL1    Z11dc    Relem
GW    1046    5    X12dc    -dL1    Z12dc    X12dc    dL1    Z12dc    Relem
GW    1047    5    X13dc    -dL1    Z13dc    X13dc    dL1    Z13dc    Relem
GW    1048    5    X14dc    -dL1    Z14dc    X14dc    dL1    Z14dc    Relem
GW    1049    5    X1dc    -dL1    -Z1dc    X1dc    dL1    -Z1dc    Relem
GW    1050    5    X2dc    -dL1    -Z2dc    X2dc    dL1    -Z2dc    Relem
GW    1051    5    X3dc    -dL1    -Z3dc    X3dc    dL1    -Z3dc    Relem
GW    1052    5    X4dc    -dL1    -Z4dc    X4dc    dL1    -Z4dc    Relem
GW    1053    5    X5dc    -dL1    -Z5dc    X5dc    dL1    -Z5dc    Relem
GW    1054    5    X6dc    -dL1    -Z6dc    X6dc    dL1    -Z6dc    Relem
GW    1055    5    X7dc    -dL1    -Z7dc    X7dc    dL1    -Z7dc    Relem
GW    1056    5    X8dc    -dL1    -Z8dc    X8dc    dL1    -Z8dc    Relem
GW    1057    5    X9dc    -dL1    -Z9dc    X9dc    dL1    -Z9dc    Relem
GW    1058    5    X10dc    -dL1    -Z10dc    X10dc    dL1    -Z10dc    Relem
GW    1059    5    X11dc    -dL1    -Z11dc    X11dc    dL1    -Z11dc    Relem
GW    1060    5    X12dc    -dL1    -Z12dc    X12dc    dL1    -Z12dc    Relem
GE    0
GN    -1
EK
EX    0    990    1    0    0    1    0
FR    0    0    0    0    584    0
EN
Reference to modify in Nec editor (new)
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GAIN in 4nec2 height wire dipole
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Drawing in PDF
 

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VHF Modification
A reference vhf base
B addition of 4 directors (not recommended loss in UHF)
C addition of 4 reflectors
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Here you have all the documentation:DAT_BOOS_VHF
 

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Adding the Winegard HD7698P director in a very simple way improves the gain in VHF and with loss in UHF but much better than the previous simulation (option B). The loss in uhf persists I don't know why, in Winegard it worked quite well when I simulated it a long time ago (the simulation of the HD7698 was not complete but it worked well in uhf and the loss I think was very low).

Apparently it is not possible to make many modifications, I think that improving the reflectors would be an option and adding directors like Chiwaukee are the best. But if you have a good signal in UHF you can try the director to raise the gain in high VHF.
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Here the 4nec2 code VHF add director segment:
Code:
GW    1070    9    0.45449998    0.085725    0    0.45449998    0.3556    0    3.429e-3
GW    1071    9    0.45449998    0.3556    0    0.45449998    0.6096    0    3.429e-3
GW    1072    1    0.45449998    0.3556    0    0.45449998    0.3556    0.0127    1.5e-3
GW    1073    5    0.45449998    0.3556    0.0127    0.45449998    0.2333625    0.0841375    3.429e-3
GW    1074    1    0.45449998    0.3556    0    0.45449998    0.3556    -0.0127    1.5e-3
GW    1075    5    0.45449998    0.3556    -0.0127    0.45449998    0.2333625    -0.0841375    3.429e-3
GW    1076    9    0.45449998    -0.085725    0    0.45449998    -0.3556    0    3.429e-3
GW    1077    9    0.45449998    -0.3556    0    0.45449998    -0.6096    0    3.429e-3
GW    1078    1    0.45449998    -0.3556    0    0.45449998    -0.3556    -0.0127    1.5e-3
GW    1079    5    0.45449998    -0.3556    -0.0127    0.45449998    -0.2333625    -0.0841375    3.429e-3
GW    1080    1    0.45449998    -0.3556    0    0.45449998    -0.3556    0.0127    1.5e-3
GW    1081    5    0.45449998    -0.3556    0.0127    0.45449998    -0.2333625    0.0841375    3.429e-3
GW    1082    9    0.96249998    0.085725    0    0.96249998    0.3556    0    3.429e-3
GW    1083    9    0.96249998    0.3556    0    0.96249998    0.6096    0    3.429e-3
GW    1084    1    0.96249998    0.3556    0    0.96249998    0.3556    0.0127    1.5e-3
GW    1085    5    0.96249998    0.3556    0.0127    0.96249998    0.2333625    0.0841375    3.429e-3
GW    1086    1    0.96249998    0.3556    0    0.96249998    0.3556    -0.0127    1.5e-3
GW    1087    5    0.96249998    0.3556    -0.0127    0.96249998    0.2333625    -0.0841375    3.429e-3
GW    1088    9    0.96249998    -0.085725    0    0.96249998    -0.3556    0    3.429e-3
GW    1089    9    0.96249998    -0.3556    0    0.96249998    -0.6096    0    3.429e-3
GW    1090    1    0.96249998    -0.3556    0    0.96249998    -0.3556    -0.0127    1.5e-3
GW    1091    5    0.96249998    -0.3556    -0.0127    0.96249998    -0.2333625    -0.0841375    3.429e-3
GW    1092    1    0.96249998    -0.3556    0    0.96249998    -0.3556    0.0127    1.5e-3
GW    1093    5    0.96249998    -0.3556    0.0127    0.96249998    -0.2333625    0.0841375    3.429e-3
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It was fun to play with this antenna, to play with another antenna.

Files for 4nec2 complete:DAT_VHF_Add_Director
 
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