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Seems like everyone and their dog has to have a streaming service now, the problem with them, other than Netflix and Prime, is that they have very shows that I actually want to watch. I only watch new content, I don't watch old tv shows or movies ( other then 1930-50 movies) and I have neither the desire or time to play the "subscribe-unsubscribe" game.
 

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When Netflix pulled out of Russia, it also lost an estimated 700,000 subscribers, that might have something to do with the current War in East Europe and not a specific issue with Netflix as a TV Provider in Canada/North America.
Any excuse to get those rates up! Netflix has deteriorated so much in the past year...shows with tons of filler such as views of traffic moving.....mountains and other scenery...actual program acting has been reduced and so on.
 

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If people are complaining about the lack of quality shows on steaming platforms, maybe TV is not for you? maybe find something else that interests you like an activity or a hobby or travelling or getting a pet or going for a walk or jog or going to the gym or maybe I dunno, spend more quality time with your children/family
 

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The issue I have is with the dilution of available content. Good or bad, traditional TV services served almost all available TV programming in a one stop service. Broadcaster and movie studio streaming services are draining the best content to their services which is making traditional TV a barren wasteland with a fraction of the programming it once had. That would be acceptable if those streaming services were fully available in Canada but they are not. Some streaming servives in Canada are very sparse due to Canadian broadcasters paying large sums of money to keep popular programming off the available US streaming services in Canada. Canadian broadcasters then put that programming on their traditional TV and streaming services at inflated prices and often degrade them with excessive advertising. As a result, instead of a choice between a traditional TV service or streaming services, Canadians are being forced to subscribe to a traditional TV service and streaming services in order to obtain a good variety of new, high quality programming. But I guess that's what living in Canada is all about, paying more than anyone else for just about everything due to regulation, protectionism and price fixing.
 

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Any excuse to get those rates up! Netflix has deteriorated so much in the past year...shows with tons of filler such as views of traffic moving.....mountains and other scenery...actual program acting has been reduced and so on.
Amazon productions seem to be the same. Takes 5 minutes to get somewhere in the story whereas networks so far get there in 1 minute. We will probably see that change and not for the better.
 

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That's the difference between episodic and serialized series. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. The networks tend toward episodic shows that wrap up a story in one time slot. That's easier to watch casually since it's possible watch one show independently without regard for other episodes (though some have subplots that may cover more than one show.) Serialized shows have the time to develop and expand extended stories and plots which can make for a much more interesting story. They tend to tell the story more slowly by developing characters and story lines to an extent that episodic series cannot. This often results in a much more interesting series but can lead to WTF moments when very little but plot or character development happens in any one episode. It's like the difference between reading a condensed story or graphic novel and reading a full length book, a trilogy or extended series of books. Would Game Of Thrones been as good if it was told in a one hour time slot with 20 minutes of commercials or even eight shows?
 

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Revenge of the budget streamers: These are grim times for much of the television business: Netflix’s historically awful April has prompted somber talk about whether there are too many platforms charging consumers too much money and churning out too much TV. But not every quadrant of the streaming universe is suffering an existential crisis. At this week’s annual digital-industry schmoozefest known as NewFronts, free ad-powered services Tubi, Roku Channel, and the newly rebranded Freevee staged elaborate in-person presentations to show off aggressive slates of increasingly ambitious original content and brag about their rapidly rising viewership numbers. If you closed your eyes, it almost felt as if you were back in the good old days of 2021.

The low-cost streaming game is getting increasingly crowded.
The players in this second tier of budget streamers have been around for years but have never gotten anywhere near as much attention as the big guys: They’ve generally been regarded as a sideshow within the much bigger streaming wars. But as audiences make it increasingly clear they’re not going to keep paying higher rates for every new subscription service that comes along — or even established ones such as Netflix — platforms that aren’t as reliant on monthly fees could start grabbing a bigger slice of audiences’ attention. Amazon clearly thinks so: Even though it has one of the most mature subscription TV products out there with Prime Video, it has been heavily investing in Freevee (and its predecessor, IMDb TV) for a couple of years now. It even decided to take a spinoff of one of its most successful originals ever (Bosch) and put it on its no-cost service. (Of course, because Freevee is fully integrated into Prime Video, many viewers won’t even realize the difference — until the action on Bosch: Legacy is interrupted by commercials.)

The (potentially) worrisome news for ad-supported streamers is that the low-cost streaming game is getting increasingly crowded. Disney+, already one of the cheaper ad-free streamers at $8 per month, is planning to introduce an ad-supported tier this fall. And in the biggest earthquake to ever hit the streaming ad business, Netflix finally gave in last month and said it plans to offer a lower-cost level of service with advertising, joining rivals Hulu and HBO Max in offering audiences a less expensive option supported by commercials.

Ad-supported streamers are not slowing down.
These new lower-cost plans obviously won’t be direct competitors with the Tubis and Freevees because they’re still far from free. But Disney+ and Netflix will now be aggressively looking to scoop up advertising dollars and will be flooding the market with a huge amount of new ad-time inventory. The history of TV suggests the advertising pie is hardly finite, and the explosion of cable services in the 1980s and 1990s didn’t cause a collapse in the broadcast-TV ad business. But if the move of Netflix and Disney into the lower-cost space does what it’s supposed to do — reduce churn and even spur new sign-ups — then in theory, that means the budget streamers will have to work even harder (and spend even more) to drive up the numbers of hours consumers spend on their platforms.

And based on what I saw during this week’s NewFronts, it’s clear the ad-supported streamers are not slowing down in their efforts to ramp up the size and quality of their original offerings. Some quick impressions of what they’re planning:

Tubi

The Fox-owned free streamer used its presentation to reaffirm its commitment to dramatically expanding its originals slate, confirming plans to roll more than 100 first-run titles (series, specials, and movies) over the next year. It also talked up upcoming movies such as Cinnamon (starring Damon Wayans and Pam Grier) and a remake of 2002’s J. Lo vehicle Maid in Manhattan. But overall, Tubi didn’t provide a ton of details, saying only that it would be leaning on sister companies such as animation powerhouse Bento Box, TMZ, and the recently acquired MarVista Entertainment to produce new programming.

Tubi also officially announced something users of the service had noticed in recent months: The platform, which began as a strictly on-demand service, is now moving into the live-channels business in a big way. Having added live local news and sports feeds last year, Tubi is now in the process of adding dozens of virtual channels devoted to entertainment programming, including single-title channels for properties such as The Masked Singer, The Dick Van **** Show, and Cosmos.

The Roku Channel

If your only metric is social-media buzz, then Roku easily won NewFronts week thanks to its release of a one-minute teaser trailer for Weird: The Al Yankovic Story. The first look at Daniel Radcliffe as the pop music icon set Twitter ablaze Tuesday and tallied up more than a million YouTube views within 24 hours between Roku and Yankovic’s respective accounts. That’s a regular occurrence for Netflix or HBO Max, but for a nascent supplier of original content, the response to Weird was off the charts — and sure seems to be bigger than any previous Roku original (including the shows it acquired from Quibi). It’s just one title, but if Weird ends up actually being good, it could be a turning point for the platform, which has started showing signs of slowing growth lately.

Roku also pulled out all the stops to convince advertisers it was serious about growing its portfolio of originals, particularly on the foodie front: The streamer announced new projects from Martha Stewart, Emeril Lagasse, and Christopher Kimball, as well as deals bringing past episodes of their former series to the platform. There wasn’t much news on the scripted front, as deals heralded as “new” by the platform — a second season of Kevin Hart’s Quibi show Die Hart; the Zoe Lister-Jones comedy Slip — were announced weeks or months ago.

Overall, Roku still appears to be moving more cautiously than Amazon’s Freevee or Peacock in terms of big-budget scripted shows, instead focusing on output deals (like one to bring Lionsgate movies to the service) or strategic alliances (The Wall Street Journal this week reported Roku wants to take a minority stake in the Starz cable channel, which is owned by Lionsgate.) But given it’s the default streaming device for so many U.S. viewers, Roku is clearly still poised to be a key player in the battle of the budget streamers.

Freevee

The Amazon-owned streamer formerly known as IMDb TV has been positioning itself as the “modern TV network,” and apparently that applies to how it handles advertiser presentations. There were some serious late aughts NBC vibes to the Amazon-slash-Freevee presentation Monday, from the presence of Amy Poehler as wisecracking host to showrunners awkwardly appearing on stage with their cast to tout their new projects. It wasn’t flashy or sexy, but based on what I saw, it actually kinda worked. Writer Greg Garcia showed off a first look at his upcoming Freevee comedy Sprung, and — this is a compliment— it felt indistinguishable from his past shows for NBC (My Name is Earl) and Fox (Raising Hope). Just like at a traditional network, Freevee execs talked up a spinoff of a high-profile hit, in this case, Bosch: Legacy (which premieres Friday). And there was a themed sizzle reel set to a bouncy pop tune (appropriately named “Free”) that showed off the entire offering. Unlike Tubi and Roku, which still feel as if they’re getting their original programming sea legs, Freevee felt fully formed.

But even if I found Freevee’s slate the most interesting, the Roku and Tubi presentations still showed off businesses light-years ahead of where they were just a couple of years ago. As in the early days of basic cable and subscription streaming, the free streamers were until very recently little more than repositories for reruns and old movies with just the most basic level of curation. They’re still very much in the business of aggregating what you might call “gently used” content, but this week showed that these platforms are maturing quickly. I can see projects like Weird and Sprung breaking through the pop-culture clutter, while I’d be shocked if Bosch: Legacy isn’t a big hit. It’s clear the companies behind the free streamers very much see an opportunity to snatch up viewers who’ve fled the cable bundle. What’s more, with inflation at a 40-year high and consumers pinching pennies all around, the timing couldn’t be better for free services to step up with programming that doesn’t seem cheap.

Peacock has made updates to its user interface. Photo: Peacock
The week’s other big presentation during NewFronts came from Peacock, which lives somewhere between the totally free streamers and premium subscription services. While a subscription is required to watch almost all original content on the service, most consumers either get that subscription for free as part of a cable or internet plan or they pay a relatively modest $5 per month for an ad-supported option. That makes advertising a huge part of Peacock’s profit equation and explains why execs spent a decent chunk of their NewFronts appearance touting new methods the service is rolling out to put advertising messages in front of subscriber eyeballs.

One of Peacock’s innovations is something called “frame ads,” in which viewers will find whatever content they’re watching suddenly surrounded by static images of a sponsored sales pitch for a few seconds — a popular brand of ice cream or a new entrée at Applebee’s. The frame ads will sometimes be interactive, serving up a link to, for example, summon a delivery service to bring you whatever calorie-laden creation Applebee’s has concocted this month. If it sounds disruptive to the viewing experience, well, that’s sort of the point: As competition for ad dollars heats up, platforms will be looking for new ways to make advertising more effective.

Peacock made a big deal out of the “in-scene ad,” which is just a fancy way of describing product placement.
That’s also why Peacock made a big deal out of what it’s calling the “in-scene ad,” which is just a fancy way of describing product placement taken to near Minority Report levels. It basically lets companies not only digitally insert new product images into existing programs — something that had been around for over a decade — but target what exactly gets plopped into a scene according to where you live or what kinds of products the Peacock algorithm thinks you might be interested in purchasing. So while John from Cincinnati might see a bag of Skittles as he’s watching a rerun of The Office, Sue in Pasadena could see an image of a pint of Ben & Jerry’s while streaming the same episode at the same time. Peacock isn’t alone in this innovation: Amazon showed off a similar technology during its presentation this week — they call it “virtual product placement” — and said that it’s already been beta tested with series on Freevee and Prime Video.

Beyond its new advertising options, Peacock also touted plans to modestly upgrade its user interface, which was not particularly attractive when the platform launched in 2020. Subscribers will soon be seeing a vertical navigation menu on the left side of the screen (finally), while the browsing experience is being spruced up with bigger images, video, and tools designed to make it easier to start playing a specific title while scrolling.

Meanwhile, on the programming front, Peacock will now carry next-day episodes of all in-season Bravo originals, mirroring the recent news that the service will become the exclusive home for next-day NBC episodes starting this fall. And while we already knew Peacock sibling studio Universal Pictures would be producing original films for the platform, on Monday, the streamer announced the first three projects to come from the arrangement, including an English-language remake of John Woo’s The Killer that will be directed by … John Woo.



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For the last four months i have had prepaid netflix via a netflix paid card.
My netflix is now expired, and i will not use their service again.
I got netflix to watch Cobra Kai season 4, they had their big karate turnament so that show will only be going down hill in the future.

There has been too much crap between Cobra Kai and Russian Doll .
About 90 % of the stuff on netflix , i have no interest in watching.

I just got a one year subscription to Disney + , the interface is nice and clean , there is lots of content there that i actually want to watch and the picture quality is way better then netflix.

One thing that bugs me about netflix is, they shove the save titles in your face all the time, and it is always stuff i do not want to watch.

Disney Plus has a nice clean interface that does not annoy their users with nagging content in their face.

Tubi TV also has a nice interface that does not annoy their users.
 

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One thing that bugs me about netflix is, they shove the save titles in your face all the time, and it is always stuff i do not want to watch.
I have the same issue and it's not just Netflix. I can find no way to remove partially watched shows or movies from being shoved in my face with every app launch and they stick around for what seems like forever. They just don't get it that I don't want to watch those shows again. Ironically, I have the opposite problem with Crave. I can't find the series I'm half way through watching because it isn't shown in any continue watching type of list. It just lists one show that was completely watched months ago.
 

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I have the same issue and it's not just Netflix. I can find no way to remove partially watched shows or movies from being shoved in my face with every app launch and they stick around for what seems like forever. They just don't get it that I don't want to watch those shows again. Ironically, I have the opposite problem with Crave. I can't find the series I'm half way through watching because it isn't shown in any continue watching type of list. It just lists one show that was completely watched months ago.
I just use rogers ignite and say, amazon prime bosch-legacy and it takes me straight to it.
But I always decide what I want to watch before turning the tv on.
I think the only one of my services that this doesn't work with is CBC Gem.
 

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I never use voice for anything in search apps. Voice recognition is convenient but it's also a very invasive form of tracking. Once they have your voice print, companies can track you anywhere a microphone is present and ,just like cameras, you probably don't know they are there are most of the time.
 

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I never use voice for anything in search apps. Voice recognition is convenient but it's also a very invasive form of tracking. Once they have your voice print, companies can track you anywhere a microphone is present and ,just like cameras, you probably don't know they are there are most of the time.
I figure they'll get me sooner or later and the voice command is just so convenient.
Rogers ignite is the only thing I use voice on.
 

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Rogers takes a voice print when you call their support line. They don't ask permission or notify that's it's being done. I know this because one of the CSRs said they recognized my voice print from a previous call. I agree that it's something that cannot be totally avoided but it's becoming part of the surveillance culture we live in.
 

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I never call Rogers on the phone, I find the chat works much better for me however, I do get calls from them at times wanting me to switch to their cell service so if what you say is true then they had my voice anyway.
I accepted the fact that 1984 had become reality a long time ago.:(
 

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I never call Rogers on the phone, I find the chat works much better for me however, I do get calls from them at times wanting me to switch to their cell service so if what you say is true then they had my voice anyway.
Are the calls from Rogers? I've had a few, and I ask them to confirm what services I already have - and they quickly hang up; so the calls I get are scams.
 

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Are the calls from Rogers? I've had a few, and I ask them to confirm what services I already have - and they quickly hang up; so the calls I get are scams.
Yep, calls have definitely been from Rogers cell, the last call was only a few weeks ago. However after your comment I will adopt your method and next time ask about my existing services. :)
 
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