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IPTV strictly isn't over the public internet, but is an infrastructure service, and the CRTC requires that such a service sell on top of its own Internet. Zazeen/Acanac I think are that sort of service.

Netflix is OTT because it is delivered over the public Internet.
 

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CRTC regulations make no sense. A service like Netflix is an over-the-top service because it's delivered over IP and requires no licensing. IPTV is also delivered over IP, how can that NOT be considered over-the-top? What is to stop someone who is entrepreneurial in setting up an OTA system and streaming a basic service to customers for say $5/month with about say 30 channels. It's OTT and should not require licensing at all, and certainly should not be tied to offering an internet service.
Film On does this, and provides service to Canada, and requires no CRTC license. My guess is if something like this is setup by someone, that the CRTC would likely do nothing to stop it.
Because it would have been theft and eventually would have led to death of OTA. It would be similar to what is happening with programs like Kodi where pirated channels are delivered for free which is nothing else but stealing.
Film On is not really that good of an example either, they have been in and out of courts for the last few years numerous times and still have no rights to distribute broadcast stations.
Finally not everything is about CTRC but also about the rights for the content.
 

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It would not be theft. The BDU's do not pay the broadcasters a dime for carrying their OTA signals, nor do the pay for the U.S. Feeds they carry which they recieve OTA. It might be illegal in the U.S. because of Retrans fees, but not in Canada as their are no retrans fees for OTA signals. If Film-On can broadcast in Canada without a license, they do carry 4 CTV stations, then i would assume anyone here can do it as well. In fact in the last few weeks Film On just won a major court case allowing them to rebroadcast U.S. network signals for a fee, although that's going to be appealed for sure.
 

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First of all almost all of OTA stations in Canada are owned by Canadian BDU's so wether it is legal or not they would never agree for a third party to redistribute their signal online without their permition.
If it ever happened they would most likely shut down OTA.

Why would CRTC ever decided to let third party redistribute OTA signal as they wish, when they have so many rules and restriction over Canadian BDU's and their OTA broadcasting.

Just because Film On provides four Canadian channels it does not mean in any way that they are doing it legally, it could mean that Canadian broadcasters have not decided to take them to court yet.

As far as I know Film On does not have any American broadcast stations in their channel line up.
 

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The Pick-and-pay seems good, if I choose channels just for one show- I'll use Apple TV or Google Play for that show rather than just watching the show on a channel that only shows one or two shows I like and all the rest i don't.
 

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Does anyone other than vmedia offer a skinny basic package yet? My understanding is this needs to be offered by all tv providers by March 2016.
 

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I thought the date for all changes relating to Basic and Pay-as-you-go is Dec. 2016 but I could be wrong. However if I'm correct you can expect the big BDUs to hold off as long as possible. There will be a mass exodus from many channels once they can be dropped.
 

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I thought the date for all changes relating to Basic and Pay-as-you-go is Dec. 2016 but I could be wrong.
From the CRTC:

Based on all of the above, the Commission will require all licensed terrestrial and direct-to-home (DTH) distributors to provide to their subscribers by March 2016 an entry-level service
... by March 2016, all discretionary services will have to be offered by licensed broadcasting distribution undertakings (BDUs) either on a pick-and-pay basis or in small, reasonably priced packages, which may either be created by the subscriber (for example, pick-5 or pick-10) or pre-assembled (for example, theme packs). Further, by December 2016, all discretionary services will have to be offered on both a pick-and-pay and a small package basis by all licensed BDUs. This will give distributors time to make the changes that are needed to roll out these new options to their subscribers.
Broadcasting Regulatory Policy CRTC 2015-96
 

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How have I never heard of that Rogers Lite TV before? I definitely would have paid $15/month for that. Now I have moved to Cogeco country so I can't.

Edit: just chatted with rogers, apparently it is available at my address and it's $15.99/month + tax.

Edit 2: upon further research it seems I actually live in rogers country, not cogeco land
 

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I think it is fine that all BDUs don't offer every channel. This is how one BDU can differentiate itself from its competition, much as in other industries.
 

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Sasktel Lite maxTV

Sasktel looks like the first of the mainstream companies to announce their Skinny Basic details, effective Feb. 1. Thanks to @Viper550 for posting the link in our Sasktel forum.

Lite maxTV will be $25/month and include the bare minimum - the Canadian networks and CRTC mandatory channels. If you want U.S. Boston networks that are included in Basic maxTV, you will have to add the new East Timeshift package for $5.99, which also includes NTV, CHCH and the Toronto network feeds or you can order the West Timeshift for Seattle, B.C. and Alberta stations. Other Basic channels are available as addons to Lite maxTV in new packages: Lite Sports ($14.99), Lite Information ($5.99) Lite Music ($5.99) Lite Entertainment ($5.99). Lite Sports includes Sportsnet One, all the regionals, Oilers, Flames and the 5 TSNs. Sasktel's regular theme packs are also $5.99.

For reference Sasktel charge $76.95 for maxTV + 8 Mbps Internet or $57.95 for maxTV only, so there is a large bundle discount. It will be interesting to see how Lite is bundled. Sasktel is also one of the few companies that charges $10/month extra to receive channels in HD.
 

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From what I read there is no mention of cost of individual channels yet, already I am up too 40.00 just with basic and sports that is without picking theme packs HD for 10.00
 

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Don't forget the first phase is they have to offer the Skinny Basic and channels in Small Bundles OR Individually. It is only as of Dec 2016 that they have to offer Small Bundles AND Pick and Pay for all discretionary channels. Their Lite Sports, Lite Information, Lite.... packages would seem to satisfy what is required in phase one.
 

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@bev fan that's a cute slogan, but it's just a slogan. Skinny basic was designed to allow customers to pay less and get less. Sasktel customers who choose to keep "fat" basic will pay the same to get the same.

There are a couple of things that surprised me a little. Sasktel chose not to include the U.S. networks in Skinny Basic and the Lite packs for the extra content that is in regular Basic is priced higher than I thought it would be. Otherwise, it looks like what I expected. People shouldn't be surprised that sports is the most expensive content, so when you stop making everyone pay for it, then it will cost more as a separate add-on.
 

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Exactly, not including US networks makes skinny basic way overpriced.
Another problem is with the Lite bundles. Why would anybody include Al Jazeera instead of CNN in the News bundle.
I hope that other providers will start with pick and pay instead of Lite bundles.
 
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