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Seiki BD660 Discussions

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I hope nobody minds I'm starting a new thread with this specific subject... I read this as-branded player is supposedly of limited distribution, time-wise and country-wise (I got mine at Walmart in Canada), so best to get the little I know out while it's meaningful to those who may be interested. The distinguishing feature of this player is that it can play DVD and BD from all regions, via a not-so-secret manufacturer's menu (select Setup without a disc loaded, then press 8,5,2,0).

Please bear in mind I just opened and turned this thing on tonight. So this is just some pertinent info, not details. I also have a PS3 and OPPO BDP-83, fairly reasonable standards to form an initial contextual opinion. $88 +$2.75 Eco fee (not a tax! :)) in Ontario at WM...a little over $100 overall with HST.

Absolutely first: especially important to those who are like me and are dubious of cheap stuff they might want to return: the remote will probably not work with "regular" North American AAA batteries, like Duracell and Energizer. Yeah, you used those, didn't you, so that if the player was a dud you could return the whole package in relatively pristine condition? (OT mostly, but apparently WM uses a service to make sure some returned goods are "correct". IOW they don't seem to care...but thanks for being thoughtful anyway!) Compare NA/Japanese standard AAA cells with the ones Seiki includes...notice the subtle physical diffs. The included batteries have a longer + "prong", and the protruding plastic at those ends of the battery compartment will not allow most of our regular AAA batteries' + terminals to touch the contacts. Result: dead remote, almost useless player. Now the remote has a prominent QC sticker on it, so naturally I was pissed. I do have proper tools to open stuff like this without leaving a mark, but in this case a credit card or two would work if you're curious re guts (it's kinda slick really). Six mostly passive electronic components inside, how could it work if they really did QC? Answer: they used batteries like they supply LOL. Solution: with a small screwdriver/needle-nose or something similar, pull out both + contact springs a tiny bit. After all, those supplied C-Zn batteries won't last for long and you'll need to use normal ones... Numerous people complained they had a dead remote right out of the box, probably people who do like me.

Next thing: the bottom right side (as viewed from front) of this player gets incredibly hot. It is the only BDP (of four) I've ever had without a fan. One way they keep the price down. It's the quietest BDP I've ever owned! :) I would try to elevate the player by an inch; the shape of the bottom makes this a bit awkward, but not too bad if you can put something only under the existing feet.

Odd stuff: The tray requires two hands to take a disc out (for me) can't grab the disc by the edges and lift it out anyways, have to poke it up from underneath first. No front panel problem for me, and I've never seen a BDP you could actually set up and totally use normally without a TV/display (like for playing music only).

More important stuff: This player is VERY fast and responsive to commands. Nice. FF speeds are similar to the Oppo, up to 32X only ("5") which pales compared to the PS3 (120X). Remote is very usable...let's just say it's a lot more usable (to me) than some remotes from certain companies who sell stuff at 20X+ the price (cough Denon/Anthem). Cheap but not unpleasant, buttons have shape differentiation and decent spacing (unlike Sony's PS3 BT remote e.g.). The differing button shapes/spacing help considering there's no backlight. Also decent IR output level and sensor sensitivity. (I expect most people will use another remote if they keep the player, as I will, but JIC.) There is a player-specific control menu (unusual IME) that you can pop up at any time, unlike the player Setup menu which you can't. You can view and change quite a few parameters from there, but some you can't change (typically separate buttons for those). Displays separate audio and video bitrates which are occasionally interesting (Oppo can't, PS3 can).

I only used HDMI audio and video. It sends ALL forms of audio bitstreamed via HDMI just fine, and I tried uncommon types like 6.1 TrueHD and 6.1 DTS-HD MA with no problem. The common 5.1 and 7.1 HD formats are fine, as are all PCM. Likewise with DD 5.1 EX and DTS 6.1-ES (both discrete and matrixed) from DVDs. Short: no limitations when bitstreaming current DVD and BD audio formats; totally as expected, but you never know...

1080p/24 BD looks very good. It's hard to screw this up, and they don't. If there's any diff between what the Seiki puts out, compared to the Oppo and PS3, I can't tell at this point.

I only tried specifically-selected VERY good DVDs, so this wasn't a torture test. (The Oppo excels at upscaling crappier ones, but not really crappy ones like for some TV shows. The PS3 is quite poor at upscaling many DVDs *in comparison* to the Oppo.) Let's talk the (PJ remake) King Kong DVD, which IMO is among the very best PQ ever put out on that medium. With the Seiki I bet somebody would have to (casually/unknowingly) watch this for quite a while to tell it isn't the BD (which also has VERY good PQ BTW, but not quite as "impressive" considering the medium). I also tried the R2 Narnia: Prince Caspian DVD, and it also looked very fine, no worse than I remembered it from an Oppo 2 weeks ago. So, we know the other region feature works, and still looks very good when outputting in *PAL* (sorry, did not check the PAL->NTSC conversion yet, it is not something I would ever normally use with my Pio display). I do not have any non-region-A BDs now. That was my main intention for getting this player. I have some on order from my long want-list of BDs not available in our region (Canadian films even!) so can report on that aspect in about a week.
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For 1080p/24 BD, I agree that the Seiki, the Oppo, and the PS3 are very similar-looking. On a 60" Pio display. Not enough diff to even bother with really. May see a diff with a very large screen, but really the PJ is more likely to be causing the diff, they're all over the map (some can make a tiny instantaneous "anomaly" you could easily overlook into an annoying mess).

David is talking DVD upscaling though, which is much more difficult, and is also all over the map. The Oppo is way ahead of the Seiki/PS3 with an average-quality DVD. They all look like crap upscaling crap DVDs. They all look very good with an excellent DVD (not an awful lot of them, especially some new releases :)).

Some better AVR models (notably from Denon currently, likely the new Marantz, probably others) can pretty much match the Oppo for DVD upscaling. However, the Oppo does much more than just upscale with DVDs, so it's still not even in all cases. This will especially become apparent with the more exotic "foreign" DVD formats. Since the Oppo is 6-7X the price (region-free) of the Seiki, you *should* get something better...

(By "Oppo" I mean the BDP-83.)
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Cfraser is correct. Especially most people tend to watch. Their 60" from 12' away, you'd hardly see the difference on BD playback. I'm a slightly different case since I watch my 80" screen area from 8' away.

Also UK and AU DVD (and the two BD I own) tend to be of lower quality than R1/ZoneA discs.
Hey guys, hopefully someone can help me here.

Bought this player yesterday, mainly for the region free capabilities and the usb port. Everything seemed to be good, so I plugged a usb flash drive in. Player recognized it, but when I hit media center and went to select usb 1, everything freezes and i have to restart the player. This keeps on happening, along with another card. Both were formatted FAT32 and had a few different vid formats. I ended up exchanging it for another. I get home, and same thing happens.

Is there anything I'm not doing right or some other way I should format my flash drive?
there is a possibility that a file on your USB drive creates the freezing problem. Try a blank USB drive with no file or put just several mp3 to begin with, and move on to othe file types to see which file type freezes the BD player.
You could also try reformatting your flash "drive" using the Seiki's utility, which is accessed the same way as the region menu. They call the flash BUDA. Is it a reputable brand of flash? I have no idea if it matters, mine are just regular cheap Kingstons and they were fine. I don't have any video files on them like David says to test.
Thanks for the quick replies guys.

Tried both of those methods to no avail. Also tried a 30gb external hard drive i had. Still no luck. One of the flash drives is a no-name, but the other is a Kingston and the HD is a Lacie. I've used both of those drives on an Xbox 360 too.

Really puzzled here, especially since this is my second player in two days. Seems unlikely that two would have the same problem, which nobody else has had.
^ I just tried it probs. I only have mp3/wma/jpg media-type files on sticks though (but lots of other data-type files). The largest stick I have handy is only 4GB.

Do not use an extension cable or port expander or a flash card on an adapter etc.; these are never guaranteed to work in BDP USB ports, unlike with the PS3 say which has computer/standard USB ports (probably the Xbox is the same as the PS3 for that, so NOT a good test). They *might* work though. The temptation to use an extension would be great in my system, due to the very shallow Seiki with the port in the back: awkward to reach in my rack from either side. A true USB *drive* may need to be externally powered.

Do what David said, start from scratch with a blank stick then add simple file types. It really does work! Least in ours... :)

Maybe post your FW version. Perhaps an older FW? You get that from the region menu. My numbers are:

HQ 00001640
HF 00000000
SZ 00000000
JVM PBP1.1_JVM090821 (edit: yeah, I guess that *is* a J, d'oh)
LOADER BQ1600 85751600

BTW, anyone remember what APDA is, as in "Format apda"? i.e. does that mean the external flash, and "Format buda" the internal flash?
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Firmware version is

HQ 00001640,HF 00000000, SZ 00000000
JVM PBP1.1_JVM090821

I just tried a DVD-R with some video files on it, which worked, so at least thats good.

Still trying to erase and add mp3's to the drives, but I'm getting the same problem.

Anyone have any suggestions for the settings to use in Disk Utility for formatting.
have you try formatting it in FAT32 and un-check mark "quick format" (so it does slow format).

furthermore, have you tried the USB key on a different computer? or try a different USB key (where are you located, if it's close to my house, I can lend you my USB key for testing purpose)

Reason I asked that is that once I had an SD card that has no problem with my laptop but no other PC in my house can read it and unfortunately I had to throw it out since it's useless for me if I can't take the SD card somewhere else.
I ended up having some luck. Through screwing around I somehow partitioned the drive and one of the partitions worked. I'm not there yet, but I'm relieved to know its a card problem, and not a plater one.

Thanks for your help everyone.
Did you see my "Format xxda" question? (since edited to "clarify" :)) You'd think the 660 would format a stick/etc. appropriately, whichever Format option you choose. I have done "Format buda" way back but forget what happened, never tried "Format apda" AFAIK...
I had no luck with either of those in-player formatting systems. Not sure what they're even for.

My problem ended up being that only FAT16 seems to work, though I swear I've heard FAT32 works. Kind of annoying since Mac's only have one FAT formatting option (32).

So if this problem comes up with anyone else, try formatting using a different FAT option in Windows.
Don't know what to say about that. All my sticks came pre-formatted as FAT32 and the ones I've tried so far work.
Actually, after doing several tests it appears the problem isn't FAT32, its formatting FAT using a Mac, as both 16 and 32 work if formatted using Windows.

Anyone that says Macs are perfect is a liar.
david, I just got back from the WM @ Steeles and 48, there are a bunch of Seiki BDs on the back wall shelf. I actually hesitated to buy one for myself until I had the chance to see what other people on forum(s) say, I have been looking for a decent all-region DVD player for a while. thanks to cfraser I am convinced now this could be it, planning on going to buy one tomorrow.
what about the WM's Samsung DVD C350 and C500, does anybody know if they are region-free too? I'd appreciate any info in this matter, thanks
I was in the local Wal-Mart today and out of curiosity I looked for the Seiki player. They had a large stack of them selling for $79. I asked the boss if we could use one to play her Chinese VCDs but no go. Oh well, I continue to live vicariously via this and other forums.
So the Seiki doesn't play Chinese VCD's?

Sorry can't test it, but I no longer have my VCD collection (used to have a bunch of legit English titles on VCD about 10 years ago). It will play both legit and non-legit DVDs, though.
Not sure about Chinese VCD's but I just tested a few of my Malaysian commercially produced VCD's and they worked fine.
I suppose it does play VCDs but it should say on the specs. I meant to say her DVDs which are PAL. My wife simply wasn't interested, regardless.
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