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Seiki BD660 Discussions

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I hope nobody minds I'm starting a new thread with this specific subject... I read this as-branded player is supposedly of limited distribution, time-wise and country-wise (I got mine at Walmart in Canada), so best to get the little I know out while it's meaningful to those who may be interested. The distinguishing feature of this player is that it can play DVD and BD from all regions, via a not-so-secret manufacturer's menu (select Setup without a disc loaded, then press 8,5,2,0).

Please bear in mind I just opened and turned this thing on tonight. So this is just some pertinent info, not details. I also have a PS3 and OPPO BDP-83, fairly reasonable standards to form an initial contextual opinion. $88 +$2.75 Eco fee (not a tax! :)) in Ontario at WM...a little over $100 overall with HST.

Absolutely first: especially important to those who are like me and are dubious of cheap stuff they might want to return: the remote will probably not work with "regular" North American AAA batteries, like Duracell and Energizer. Yeah, you used those, didn't you, so that if the player was a dud you could return the whole package in relatively pristine condition? (OT mostly, but apparently WM uses a service to make sure some returned goods are "correct". IOW they don't seem to care...but thanks for being thoughtful anyway!) Compare NA/Japanese standard AAA cells with the ones Seiki includes...notice the subtle physical diffs. The included batteries have a longer + "prong", and the protruding plastic at those ends of the battery compartment will not allow most of our regular AAA batteries' + terminals to touch the contacts. Result: dead remote, almost useless player. Now the remote has a prominent QC sticker on it, so naturally I was pissed. I do have proper tools to open stuff like this without leaving a mark, but in this case a credit card or two would work if you're curious re guts (it's kinda slick really). Six mostly passive electronic components inside, how could it work if they really did QC? Answer: they used batteries like they supply LOL. Solution: with a small screwdriver/needle-nose or something similar, pull out both + contact springs a tiny bit. After all, those supplied C-Zn batteries won't last for long and you'll need to use normal ones... Numerous people complained they had a dead remote right out of the box, probably people who do like me.

Next thing: the bottom right side (as viewed from front) of this player gets incredibly hot. It is the only BDP (of four) I've ever had without a fan. One way they keep the price down. It's the quietest BDP I've ever owned! :) I would try to elevate the player by an inch; the shape of the bottom makes this a bit awkward, but not too bad if you can put something only under the existing feet.

Odd stuff: The tray requires two hands to take a disc out (for me) can't grab the disc by the edges and lift it out anyways, have to poke it up from underneath first. No front panel problem for me, and I've never seen a BDP you could actually set up and totally use normally without a TV/display (like for playing music only).

More important stuff: This player is VERY fast and responsive to commands. Nice. FF speeds are similar to the Oppo, up to 32X only ("5") which pales compared to the PS3 (120X). Remote is very usable...let's just say it's a lot more usable (to me) than some remotes from certain companies who sell stuff at 20X+ the price (cough Denon/Anthem). Cheap but not unpleasant, buttons have shape differentiation and decent spacing (unlike Sony's PS3 BT remote e.g.). The differing button shapes/spacing help considering there's no backlight. Also decent IR output level and sensor sensitivity. (I expect most people will use another remote if they keep the player, as I will, but JIC.) There is a player-specific control menu (unusual IME) that you can pop up at any time, unlike the player Setup menu which you can't. You can view and change quite a few parameters from there, but some you can't change (typically separate buttons for those). Displays separate audio and video bitrates which are occasionally interesting (Oppo can't, PS3 can).

I only used HDMI audio and video. It sends ALL forms of audio bitstreamed via HDMI just fine, and I tried uncommon types like 6.1 TrueHD and 6.1 DTS-HD MA with no problem. The common 5.1 and 7.1 HD formats are fine, as are all PCM. Likewise with DD 5.1 EX and DTS 6.1-ES (both discrete and matrixed) from DVDs. Short: no limitations when bitstreaming current DVD and BD audio formats; totally as expected, but you never know...

1080p/24 BD looks very good. It's hard to screw this up, and they don't. If there's any diff between what the Seiki puts out, compared to the Oppo and PS3, I can't tell at this point.

I only tried specifically-selected VERY good DVDs, so this wasn't a torture test. (The Oppo excels at upscaling crappier ones, but not really crappy ones like for some TV shows. The PS3 is quite poor at upscaling many DVDs *in comparison* to the Oppo.) Let's talk the (PJ remake) King Kong DVD, which IMO is among the very best PQ ever put out on that medium. With the Seiki I bet somebody would have to (casually/unknowingly) watch this for quite a while to tell it isn't the BD (which also has VERY good PQ BTW, but not quite as "impressive" considering the medium). I also tried the R2 Narnia: Prince Caspian DVD, and it also looked very fine, no worse than I remembered it from an Oppo 2 weeks ago. So, we know the other region feature works, and still looks very good when outputting in *PAL* (sorry, did not check the PAL->NTSC conversion yet, it is not something I would ever normally use with my Pio display). I do not have any non-region-A BDs now. That was my main intention for getting this player. I have some on order from my long want-list of BDs not available in our region (Canadian films even!) so can report on that aspect in about a week.
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Saw this unit at the Walmart in Kelowna BC. Didn't buy it but I think I will go tomorrow to pick one up.

Read up another board and it seems the circuit board is identical to the Philips BDP3000 and unlock code works the same:

Power the player with no disk loaded. then press

setup >> 8520 now you should get the "Factory Page" with version, loader, DVD region, BD Region and Reset Password info.

using the up/down key go to "DVD Region Code" and set to "0" for region free.
then go down to "BD Region Code": it's set to A, you can choose 2 for B and 4 for C, and 1 for A.
then press on setup again.

I tested with a DVD after I set to 2, and it would give a region error. then I set to 0 and all is well. I don't think the BD have a region free code....

The board on the inside have an extra port for a usb, and one for RS232 3.3V ports.
^ Yes, that is the standard code for a very-commonly-used MediaTek chipset.

This is kind of OT, but I find it interesting... The generally well-thought-of OPPO BDP-83 uses a similar MediaTek chipset as a basic building-block to surround with fancier electronic processing. So, if Oppo hadn't blocked the region thing, it would have been region-free like their previous players; they kind of did an ad hoc job of blocking it which made it very easy/"cheap"/quick for simple mods to restore it to become available.

The more interesting part, for me, is how much BETTER the MediaTek chipset does its basic functions when it's NOT surrounded by additional fancy electronics and firmware. Clearly this is how this engine is mainly intended to be used and Oppo went a bit far loading on the "accessories": just like for a car "engine" response deteriorates. This is especially noticeable to me in how well the BD660 handles all the basic drive/transport features; the Oppo is clumsy with this and this is it's only real flaw IMO. (Note I'm not talking about the actual A/V that comes out of the Oppo, just its drive<->user interface responds poorly compared to the Seiki, which is fast and precise with no lags.)
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I found one at my local WM! I picked it up and still in its box. I'll test it out tonight.
Bought one at the Kelowna Walmart (as did my wife's nephew). 3 yesterday, just 2 today and we bought the last 2 (excluding the display model).

First impressions:

Will not play NTFS HDs or FAT32 if the partitions are too large (I understand max of 128k clusters?)

Haven't tried a BD disk yet as I have none up here and what WM had was too dismal to consider buying if cheap (i.e., I wouldn't even DL that [email protected]) or too expensive. Will have to try my BDs when I get home.

MKV files have bad pixellation so I will keep the MediaSonic player here though it has a bad habit of stopping.
^ I think FAT32 files are limited to 4GB; the BD660 won't play any larger than that anyway. As for MKVs, I have no clue but there are various hints around on how they should be formatted to work best, least with this player...if you didn't mind re-doing them... I imagine hints for MKVs with ANY of the MediaTek-based BD players would apply here, so don't just look under BD660. e.g. I noticed there is quite a lot of info on playing them with Oppos. Also remember that MKV pixellation can apparently also largely depend on the media, and its access time, with this player.
I'm not sure what cluster size my 500GB drive is (it is FAT32) but the Seiki locks up when I open it as a USB drive. No file is over 4GB (not even 2GB) so I don't think that is the problem.

I will try putting the MKV files onto DVD+R(W)s and see if that works better.
^ I looked at one of the Philips BD3000 variants at WM tonight, the 3010 (it has no front display). There are quite a few variants...for $40 more it doesn't look much better, though is bigger, and doesn't have any more listed features beyond the BD660 (forgot to check if there were any of those left). I guess if someone's more comfortable with that name-brand instead, even if the guts are "similar"...still doubt there'll be FW updates, but some variants of the BD3000 got one at one point.

There's one little technical detail of the BD660 I forgot to mention for anyone who doesn't have one already: it has 1GB internally for the BD-Live, so you don't have to provide a stick. You can reformat (i.e. cleanly wipe) this memory from the same menu you use to pick the region. I forget what you can do with this memory from the normal menus, but probably erase it as this is a standard MediaTek feature...this is sometimes required, besides possibly when full, to get some BDs to even play (so don't forget that first if a new BD with BD-Live won't play).
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I've had one of these for a few weeks now (Halifax Shopping Centre store) and have had no problems yet. Liking it so far!
There are tons of the Seikis in the WMs here in the suburbs of Montreal, the central location WMs are all out to 1 or 2 units left. I have seen them being sold from late May 2010.

Can anyone confirm if they will play DivX files ?, I heard that it can even though it does not mention that in their manual or website.
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There are tons of the Seikis in the WMs here in the suburbs of Montreal, the central location WMs are all out to 1 or 2 units left. I have seen them being sold from late May 2010.
Hi. I found the forum through a link on Red Flag deals and noticed a couple Montreal folks posting. Is the location at 5400 boul Jean-Talon, Cote-St-Luc considered one of the central locations?

I'm a yank, but really wanted to get my hands on one of these players for multi-region purposes plus Divx, etc. My sister is in town and popped into Walmart for me but couldn't find the players. Are they all gone by now, or just in a weird place in the store?

Thanks for the info!
@NSPS, yes the Jean-Talon one is WM's Montreal central location and they are pretty much out since the end of June. They had their Seki players separate from the main display where they normally display their DVD and Blu-Ray players.

The WM in Laval should still have many left.
There are still plenty of them (5) at the Pickering WM for anyone interested. They are now shelved with the rest of the BD/DVD players so easier to find. Didn't see a price though.
They are also in abundance at Baymac Wally World and Stoufville Wally World Supercentre locations for, IIRC, $98
Picked up this unit at WM back in June and it is great. I added a 4GB USB to the unit and it recognizes it. I connected it to my router via ethernet and the connection passed, but nothing happened. I assume that it can provide additional content (?)

When I turn it on, it shows the USB memory and the ethernet connected.

The unit upconverts my older DVDs to 1080P very nicely.

I had no problems with the batteries.

I'm trying to connect a Trendnet Gaming Adapter TEW-647GA so I can go wireless, but so far I'm having a problem getting the adapter to work in my system.
Additional content via BD-Live, yes... and maybe firmware update (I don't know, I already returned mine). However, IMHO, the only worthwhile BD-Live content are Disney's BD-Live but unfortunately Canadians can't download (and participate) on their BD-Live content thanks to dual-language police and the exclusion of Disney Movie Rewards as per Quebec regulations.
I have disabled BD-Live on all my players. Just did that recently as I haven't seen anything so far that interested *me*, and the PQ of much of it is kinda crappy too. It speeds loading up, as well as should help prevent problems with new BD titles (though I have never personally had a single problem over ~3 years).

Can't speak for the 660 specifically though, I didn't notice anything "wrong" with its BD-Live when I checked it out. The Ethernet connection appears to work normally too. I use a router set up as a wireless adapter, but truth is I rarely use it wirelessly as wired is "better" for me with my music-corrupting RF noise anality... I didn't have to change any settings when hooking the 660 into the "wireless adapter" (router). Besides that I do have the 660 using a static IP address, as does all my gear.

Did you use the included batteries? They worked fine for me, it was other ones that required a slight contact adjustment.
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I was looking for wireless, because my router is in a different room.

Netflix is starting their download service in Canada soon. Look at
Additional content via BD-Live, yes... and maybe firmware update (I don't know, I already returned mine). However, IMHO, the only worthwhile BD-Live content are Disney's BD-Live but unfortunately Canadians can't download (and participate) on their BD-Live content thanks to dual-language police and the exclusion of Disney Movie Rewards as per Quebec regulations.
Care to share your reason for returning the player? I thought you want to use it to player discs from other regions. It serves the purpose well, doesn't it?
the picture quality on my projection screen (the 16:9 area is about 80", viewed from 10ft away) is far below my BDP-23. DVD upscaling is terrible. So I think I'm going to import an Oppo BDP-83 from Singapore (already comes multiregion and multizone).
I personally don’t see much difference in PQ between the BD660 and the Panasonic DMP-BD65, the Oppo players must be top-notch. Just wondering, if the players are outputting the native resolution of BD at 1080p/24, there shouldn’t be any signal processing at the players. In that case, shouldn’t all players produce the same results?
Just like a CD player, transport quality, error correction, power supply and encoder quailty differs from one player to the next. The difference sometimes are very little (especially on the more expensive players, but the further you go down the pricez, the more you will see the difference.

What tipped me to returning the player is mostly the horrible upscsling since I still have about 20 concert DVDs from UK and AU.
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