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Seiki BD660 Discussions

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I hope nobody minds I'm starting a new thread with this specific subject... I read this as-branded player is supposedly of limited distribution, time-wise and country-wise (I got mine at Walmart in Canada), so best to get the little I know out while it's meaningful to those who may be interested. The distinguishing feature of this player is that it can play DVD and BD from all regions, via a not-so-secret manufacturer's menu (select Setup without a disc loaded, then press 8,5,2,0).

Please bear in mind I just opened and turned this thing on tonight. So this is just some pertinent info, not details. I also have a PS3 and OPPO BDP-83, fairly reasonable standards to form an initial contextual opinion. $88 +$2.75 Eco fee (not a tax! :)) in Ontario at WM...a little over $100 overall with HST.

Absolutely first: especially important to those who are like me and are dubious of cheap stuff they might want to return: the remote will probably not work with "regular" North American AAA batteries, like Duracell and Energizer. Yeah, you used those, didn't you, so that if the player was a dud you could return the whole package in relatively pristine condition? (OT mostly, but apparently WM uses a service to make sure some returned goods are "correct". IOW they don't seem to care...but thanks for being thoughtful anyway!) Compare NA/Japanese standard AAA cells with the ones Seiki includes...notice the subtle physical diffs. The included batteries have a longer + "prong", and the protruding plastic at those ends of the battery compartment will not allow most of our regular AAA batteries' + terminals to touch the contacts. Result: dead remote, almost useless player. Now the remote has a prominent QC sticker on it, so naturally I was pissed. I do have proper tools to open stuff like this without leaving a mark, but in this case a credit card or two would work if you're curious re guts (it's kinda slick really). Six mostly passive electronic components inside, how could it work if they really did QC? Answer: they used batteries like they supply LOL. Solution: with a small screwdriver/needle-nose or something similar, pull out both + contact springs a tiny bit. After all, those supplied C-Zn batteries won't last for long and you'll need to use normal ones... Numerous people complained they had a dead remote right out of the box, probably people who do like me.

Next thing: the bottom right side (as viewed from front) of this player gets incredibly hot. It is the only BDP (of four) I've ever had without a fan. One way they keep the price down. It's the quietest BDP I've ever owned! :) I would try to elevate the player by an inch; the shape of the bottom makes this a bit awkward, but not too bad if you can put something only under the existing feet.

Odd stuff: The tray requires two hands to take a disc out (for me) can't grab the disc by the edges and lift it out anyways, have to poke it up from underneath first. No front panel problem for me, and I've never seen a BDP you could actually set up and totally use normally without a TV/display (like for playing music only).

More important stuff: This player is VERY fast and responsive to commands. Nice. FF speeds are similar to the Oppo, up to 32X only ("5") which pales compared to the PS3 (120X). Remote is very usable...let's just say it's a lot more usable (to me) than some remotes from certain companies who sell stuff at 20X+ the price (cough Denon/Anthem). Cheap but not unpleasant, buttons have shape differentiation and decent spacing (unlike Sony's PS3 BT remote e.g.). The differing button shapes/spacing help considering there's no backlight. Also decent IR output level and sensor sensitivity. (I expect most people will use another remote if they keep the player, as I will, but JIC.) There is a player-specific control menu (unusual IME) that you can pop up at any time, unlike the player Setup menu which you can't. You can view and change quite a few parameters from there, but some you can't change (typically separate buttons for those). Displays separate audio and video bitrates which are occasionally interesting (Oppo can't, PS3 can).

I only used HDMI audio and video. It sends ALL forms of audio bitstreamed via HDMI just fine, and I tried uncommon types like 6.1 TrueHD and 6.1 DTS-HD MA with no problem. The common 5.1 and 7.1 HD formats are fine, as are all PCM. Likewise with DD 5.1 EX and DTS 6.1-ES (both discrete and matrixed) from DVDs. Short: no limitations when bitstreaming current DVD and BD audio formats; totally as expected, but you never know...

1080p/24 BD looks very good. It's hard to screw this up, and they don't. If there's any diff between what the Seiki puts out, compared to the Oppo and PS3, I can't tell at this point.

I only tried specifically-selected VERY good DVDs, so this wasn't a torture test. (The Oppo excels at upscaling crappier ones, but not really crappy ones like for some TV shows. The PS3 is quite poor at upscaling many DVDs *in comparison* to the Oppo.) Let's talk the (PJ remake) King Kong DVD, which IMO is among the very best PQ ever put out on that medium. With the Seiki I bet somebody would have to (casually/unknowingly) watch this for quite a while to tell it isn't the BD (which also has VERY good PQ BTW, but not quite as "impressive" considering the medium). I also tried the R2 Narnia: Prince Caspian DVD, and it also looked very fine, no worse than I remembered it from an Oppo 2 weeks ago. So, we know the other region feature works, and still looks very good when outputting in *PAL* (sorry, did not check the PAL->NTSC conversion yet, it is not something I would ever normally use with my Pio display). I do not have any non-region-A BDs now. That was my main intention for getting this player. I have some on order from my long want-list of BDs not available in our region (Canadian films even!) so can report on that aspect in about a week.
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biggest question: where can you find the replacement battery for the remote?
come to think of it, I think you can get those batteries from Deal Extreme website. The service of that site is super sucks, though.
BTW, I went to Bayview-MajorMackenzie (Richmond Hill) Wally World and Stoufville Wally World Supercentre this past weekend, I didn't see that BD player.
I'm interested in this player because there are so many music videos from UK, AU and DE that I want to buy none of which are playable in our region (A). Hopefully I can find it and buy one near my area.

I'll check it out again next week! Thanks!
thanks for the info, cfraser. I'll look harder when I go to my local WM this weekend.

Another question, what does your instinct say regarding possible FW update from this unknown company. I'm a bit wary should this company doesn't issue any FW update to the point I can't play new BD movies (well, in my case, music videos)
I found one at my local WM! I picked it up and still in its box. I'll test it out tonight.
They are also in abundance at Baymac Wally World and Stoufville Wally World Supercentre locations for, IIRC, $98
Additional content via BD-Live, yes... and maybe firmware update (I don't know, I already returned mine). However, IMHO, the only worthwhile BD-Live content are Disney's BD-Live but unfortunately Canadians can't download (and participate) on their BD-Live content thanks to dual-language police and the exclusion of Disney Movie Rewards as per Quebec regulations.
the picture quality on my projection screen (the 16:9 area is about 80", viewed from 10ft away) is far below my BDP-23. DVD upscaling is terrible. So I think I'm going to import an Oppo BDP-83 from Singapore (already comes multiregion and multizone).
Just like a CD player, transport quality, error correction, power supply and encoder quailty differs from one player to the next. The difference sometimes are very little (especially on the more expensive players, but the further you go down the pricez, the more you will see the difference.

What tipped me to returning the player is mostly the horrible upscsling since I still have about 20 concert DVDs from UK and AU.
Cfraser is correct. Especially most people tend to watch. Their 60" from 12' away, you'd hardly see the difference on BD playback. I'm a slightly different case since I watch my 80" screen area from 8' away.

Also UK and AU DVD (and the two BD I own) tend to be of lower quality than R1/ZoneA discs.
there is a possibility that a file on your USB drive creates the freezing problem. Try a blank USB drive with no file or put just several mp3 to begin with, and move on to othe file types to see which file type freezes the BD player.
have you try formatting it in FAT32 and un-check mark "quick format" (so it does slow format).

furthermore, have you tried the USB key on a different computer? or try a different USB key (where are you located, if it's close to my house, I can lend you my USB key for testing purpose)

Reason I asked that is that once I had an SD card that has no problem with my laptop but no other PC in my house can read it and unfortunately I had to throw it out since it's useless for me if I can't take the SD card somewhere else.
Sorry can't test it, but I no longer have my VCD collection (used to have a bunch of legit English titles on VCD about 10 years ago). It will play both legit and non-legit DVDs, though.
then it should play with no problem (regardless of PAL or NTSC VCD, the only difference is if you play PAL VCD the picture is a bit stretched, but you['ll still get full coulour and sound)
Not sure whether I'm really answering your question, but USB stick and USB HDD actually have 2 different protocols. So either the Seiki only recognizes one or the USB HDD doesn't imbed the flash drive USB protocol

In the mean time, try using a different USB hdd and see whether the problem persists.
alternatively you can use a USB charger (110V in, USB 5V out). You can find it on eBay usually for about $5 or buy the one with multiple outputs (usually 4 USB outs) for about $10.
Picture quality is OK, upscaling quality is horrid. That's from my personal experience.
But hey, for $50 you can't expect much.
I've returned my player a long time ago. How's the firmware updating process with these players? Do SEIKI actually post new firmwares?
what's the source? If the source is DVD, you can only get 480p through component.
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