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I am completely disenchanted with the Canadian HDTV seen.
I subscribe to Videotron with all HDTV services and thier is just NO NEWS at all concerning ANY new HDTV offerings. I check the rollout of new US HDTV offerings and I canada its just NOT there.

This realy stinks !
I don't care who is at fault or who is causing the bottelneck, I am just angre at the lack of HDTV stations in Canada. The lack of service offered to me in HDTV when I know the USA is rolling out tons of stuff.

The entire tv home entertainment industry is just crazy.
I bought into it at a cost of over $5000.00 with promises galore of HDTV but what do we all get? maybe 7-8 stations !

The CRTC seems determined to just wait until all hell breaks loose or are they in bed with Bell over all this I don't know BUT I smell a RAT here !

Did you see the list of pending stations ! what a bunch of crap.
Someone is highjacking the HDTV canadian sceen.

Someone MUST be getting huge kickbacks by stopping the introduction of new HDTV stations in direct competition with the current ones. It's a monopoly in the making.

If you have a public referendum on opening up the entire Canadian tv sceen I bet 90% of Canada would be for it.
I am the customer, I should have the right to buy what I want and by the way ONLY what I want.

The way it is right now, it's like forcing Canadians to buy products made in Canada or sold by a Canadian owned companies. So lets change everything else to that thinking. Only cars made in Ontario, no imports, food grown in Canada, no imports, and so on. You see how stupid that would be.
Well thats exactly what is happening in the TV sceen.

Someone is causing the bottleneck, someone is lineing thier pockets, someone is turning a blind eye, and we are all getting skrewed.
 

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Hmmm...perhaps your argument would have more credibility if you knew how to spell correctly some simple words.

Also, why would you invest $5000 in HD equipment PRIOR to understanding that the HD landscape is limited, as is your point-of-view.
 

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Hmmm...perhaps your argument would have more credibility if you knew how to spell correctly some simple words.

Also, why would you invest $5000 in HD equipment PRIOR to understanding that the HD landscape is limited, as is your point-of-view.
I see, by your understand of right and wrong, people that cant spell are by thier very nature incapable or should not have the same "credibility" as those who can spell. I would hate to have you in a jury pool.

The HD landscape is growing by leaps and bounds, but not in Canada and if you missed that point then your english comprehension may not be as good as you think. Is english your second language as it is mine? or have you missed a few too many classes?
 

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I was making a point that your rant holds no water, and that your spelling errors brought out that point in a glowing manner. That is, it's hard to take an argument seriously, when the writer hasn't done due diligence on research, let alone spelling. You also say you subscribe to Videotron, but blame Bell for your lack of HD content.

I wasn't insulting you, the way you have me, I was questioning your argument.

So, answer my question: Why would you invest in HD equipment PRIOR to understanding that the HD landscape is limited, as per your point of view.

There are many people on this forum such as myself that have made the same investment or more, but don't don't make baseless accusations that the holding back of HD content is some sort of SCAM and that Canadians are getting screwed by the amount or lack thereof of HD content. It's the price you pay for being an early adopter, that is, if you believe that HD content is lacking. I, too, think that there could be more HD programming, MUCH MORE, but I knew GOING IN that programming was limited, but improving, in Canada.

And I think I've proven that my English composition and comprehension is not without merit.
 

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While gross spelling mistakes can easily render an argument useless, we need to be a little more sensitive in our responses to maintain some level of decorum. We're all here to help one another, and arguing/insulting has no place in these forums. Many errors are typos which are innocent mistakes. However, I'd love to strangle some posters for their screwed-up usage of the words, "there or thier for their", "your for you're", "equiptment for equipment", and countless others which indicate one of two things: ignorance, which is easily fixed, or stupidity which is forever!
 

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Or people who write "would of/should of/could of" instead of the proper "would've (would have)/should've (should have)/or could've (could have).

Sorry for taking this thread off-topic.
 

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Cyclism said:
I was making a point that your rant holds no water, and that your spelling errors brought out that point in a glowing manner. That is, it's hard to take an argument seriously, when the writer hasn't done due diligence on research, let alone spelling.

I wasn't insulting you, the way you have me, I was questioning your argument.

So, answer my question: Why would you invest in HD equipment PRIOR to understanding that the HD landscape is limited, as per your point of view.

There are many people on this forum such as myself that have made the same investment or more, but don't don't make baseless accusations that the holding back of HD content is some sort of SCAM and that Canadians are getting screwed by the amount or lack thereof of HD content. It's the price you pay for being an early adopter, that is, if you believe that HD content is lacking. I, too, think that there could be more HD programming, MUCH MORE, but I knew GOING IN that programming was limited, but improving, in Canada.

And I think I've proven that my English composition and comprehension is not without merit.
I might continue to spell wrong buy bear with me on the points of argument.
I will use the example of Discovery HD. Videotron has dropped it, stateing that
DiscoveryHD wants 4 times the money from Videotron, videotron has refused If we left the issue there we would not find out that Discovery HD is owned by Bell Globe media and therefore behind this price gouge in order to grab disgruntled Videotron customers is behind the issue. The question of credibility concerning Discovery HD's reason for the price increse has to be in suspect.
Just how much pressure is Globe media using in the Canadian HDTV sceen?
These possible backroom deals "in my view" are happening, and to the detriment of canadian consumers. The CRTC list of approved and underconsideration, reads like a list of stations designed not to disturb the current 7 or 8 stations. If it smells like something that would compete with the current stations then we wont allow it. As I said, sounds like a monopoly in the making.
If the CRTC decides to keep out many USA great HDTV stations then where are the teeth to force a Canadian version in a timely manner. If, as an example, Bell Globe Media submits to the CRTC for thier version of History channel HD but sits on the issue and then wants an extention then 4 years might be lost to the Canadian HDTV subscriber. Of course no damage to Globe Media during this wait, in fact more HDTV starved Canadians would opt for DIscovery HD in order to watch ANYTHING in HD.

Yes I was an early buyer of HDTV products. In Fact only 3 stations were availabe at the time anywhere. I have seen the USA come on like gangbusters and continue to move quickly now to HDTV adoptation. Canada is stuck in this customer struggle and big boy battle. Time slips away and Canadian HDTV rollout is nearly stalled, falling way behind the USA. If you can't see this happening you must be blind. Go ahead, check out all the HD station now available to US subscribers currently, then compare the 7 or 8 Canadian stations. Then look at the CRTC list and realize that Canadian HDTV will grow at a snales pace for the forseeable future, all controled by the current BIG Canadian players in order to maximize thier position.
But what of the HDTV Canadian customers? are we well served by all this?

I think not.
 

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Cyclism said:
ron1951, thanks for clarifying your position. I will not argue so as not to hijack this thread.
Thanks for your input, by the way thats a great plasma you have. I well thought out purchase. Congrats and enjoy.
 

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UPDATE! (More channels approved, applications submitted and launching soon)

Channels approved since last update:

Gambling TV
Parent TV
Military Television
The Wagering Network
Wedding Bells TV

Wild TV HD

Applications for new diginets:

Boyz Own

MeridianHD
AHD

SBS Television Canada
36 apps. for ethnic services from Ethnic Channels Group (See here for list- http://www.canadian-tv.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Programming&Number=244031&page=5&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

Channels launching Soon

The Score HD
The Cult Movie Channel (rumoured to launch Spring/Summer 2006)

Alliance Atlantis Planning to launch 1 or 2 new services this year, here are channels they have license for (New services will be 1 or 2 of the following):

DIY Network (from Alliance Atlantis)
Parent TV (from Life Network)
Military Television (from History Television)
ZTV (from Showcase)
Girls TV (from Showcase)

That's all for now folks!
 

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I see, by your understand of right and wrong, people that cant spell are by thier very nature incapable or should not have the same "credibility" as those who can spell.
Absolutely.

And not just here -- this applies even more in the real world.
 

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UPDATE!!

More useless diginets approved / applications filed for since my last update. It just keeps coming.

Channels approved since last update:

Boyz Own (2006)
Seniors Lifestyle Channel (2006)
World Music Television (2006)
The Gaming TV Network (2006)
Equestrian Planet (English & French) (2006)
RCS Television [Rugby, Soccer & Cricket] (2006)
Soccer Television (2006)
Cookie Jar Educational TV (English & French) (2006)
ATN- Asian Sports Network (2006)
ATN- Cricket Channel I (2006)
ATN- Cricket Channel II (2006)
Smart Living Television (2006)
The Horse Channel (2006)
National Lacrosse Network (2006)
The Hindu Network (2006)

--ETHNICS--

Spanish Kids TV
Polish News Channel
Punjabi TV
Romanian TV
Arabic TV2
Turkish TV
German TV (Should be launching Soon!- ProSiebenSat1.Welt)
SBSTV Canada
Bangladesh/Bengali TV
Portuguese TV
Bulgarian TV

Applications for New Diginets:

Tonic (wine & alcohol related programming)
Toddler (info on pregnancy & raising children)
Trash TV (youth culture- sports, music & lifestyle)
Movie News Network (movie news & trailers)
Truth Channel (reality TV shows)

The Consumer Channel
The Players Channel (gaming network)
Real Estate Matters
AOV Jalapeño Heat

--FRENCH--

Passion performance (automotive channel)

--HIGH DEFINITION--

WFN HD
CGTV HD
Gol TV Canada HD

AOV Jalapeño Heat HD

Food Network Canada HD
Showcase HD
HGTV Canada HD
Life Network HD
National Geographic Channel Canada HD

Also decision on new premium service(s) should be coming very soon.

That's all for now folks! :)
 

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Application Nos. 2006-0308-6, 2006-0309-4, 2006-0310-2, 2006-0311-9, 2006-0312-7, 2006-0335-9
Applications by Alliance Atlantis Communications Inc. on behalf of its subsidiaries Food Network Canada Inc., Showcase Television Inc., HGTV Canada Inc., History Television Inc., Life Network Inc. and NGC Channel Inc. to amend the licences of the national specialty programming undertakings known as Food Network Canada, Showcase, Home and Garden Television Canada (HGTV), History Television, Life Network and National Geographic Channel respectively.
The licensees propose to make the above-noted services available for distribution in high definition format. The programming would be the same as the analog version of the services.
In The regulatory framework for the distribution of digital television signals, Broadcasting Public Notice CRTC 2003-61, dated 11 November 2003, the Commission stated the following in paragraph 67: The Commission will permit the licensee of a Canadian pay or specialty service to make available for distribution an upgraded version of the service, provided that not less than 95% of the video and audio components of the upgraded and analog versions of the service are the same, exclusive of the commercial messages and of any part of the service carried on a subsidiary signal. The Commission will authorize such an upgraded version by means of an amendment to the licence of the corresponding analog service.

Food Network Canada HD
Showcase HD
HGTV Canada HD
Life Network HD
National Geographic Channel Canada HD
Forgot History TV ;)

Maybe we see these by the end of the year. Would be great IMO.
 

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http://www.cbc.ca/story/business/national/2006/05/18/pay-tv.html

CRTC approves new national pay TV service
Last Updated Thu, 18 May 2006 13:06:05 EDT
CBC News
Canada's broadcast regulator gave its approval Thursday for a new pay TV channel that will compete nationally with regional services The Movie Network and Movie Central.


FROM JULY 21, 2005: New channels circling Canada's pay TV universe

In granting the licence to Allarco Entertainment Inc. for the English-language, general-interest station, the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission rejected proposals from three other applicants: Spotlight Television Ltd., Channel Zero and Archambault Group Inc.

The CRTC also said no to Archambault's application for a national French-language pay-TV service.

As the only general-interest pay channel to broadcast nationwide, Allarco's new station will compete regionally against Astral Television's The Movie Network in eastern Canada and Corus Entertainment's Movie Central in the west.

Combined, those two services had more than 1.8-million English-language subscribers in 2005.

The new digital channel will broadcast feature films, original series, specials and mini-series in high definition.

Allarco is owned by Charles Allard, whose Touch Canada Broadcasting Inc. operates radio stations in Calgary and Edmonton.

It said 25 per cent of the new station's schedule will be given over to Canadian programs, and that the quota will rise to 30 per cent between 6 p.m. and 11 p.m.

In granting the licence, the CRTC gave Allarco 24 months to get the channel up and running.

The Allard family pioneered Canadian pay TV with Superchannel in the early 1980s before it was sold to Shaw and then Corus.

Rejected applicant Channel Zero had proposed the Canadian Film Channel, which would have been devoted to all-Canadian programmming.

"We are obviously disappointed with the commission's decision, but we know how much thought and care was put into the process, and we thank them for the opportunity," said Cal Millar, vice-president and general manager of Channel Zero.


Copyright ©2006 Canadian Broadcasting Corporation - All Rights Reserved
 

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Update!

Channels approved since last update:

Passion performance (automotive channel)
SBS Television Canada (Korean)

--HIGH DEFINITION--

Meridian HD (Equator HD Canada) Launching Soon!
AHD (Rush HD Canada) Launching Soon!
WFN HD
CGTV HD
Gol TV Canada HD
Leafs TV HD
Food Network Canada HD
Showcase HD
HGTV Canada HD
History Television HD
Life Network HD
National Geographic Channel Canada HD

Applications for new diginets:

Student Film Channel

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DMG Urdu
DMG Arabic
DMG Middle East
DMG Polish
DMG Russian
DMG Ukrainian
DMG Vietnamese
Canal Corazon (Spanish soap channel)
Iranian TV

--High Definition--

Baby HD
 

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AGreed, most channels boring to some of us, but ANYTHING in HD is good......... like the first coupla years CD decks came out. The sound was so much better than records, I bought all kinds of stuff just to appreciate the higher quality. And so more HD channels means we are that much close to ALL HD, ALL THE TIME, and we can finally move away from this digital pixelation mpg quality stuff that half the channels broadcast.
 

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Update!

Channels approved since last update:

Over 60 Ethnic Channels approved!

Tonic (about wines & spirits)
Toddler (for parents)
Movie News Network (film news & trailers)
Truth Channel (Reality channel)

Applications for new diginets:

Classical Digital (Classical music & fine arts programming, application is from Moses Znaimer)
N-TV (Adult)
N-TV-2 (Adult)

Ultimate Indie TV (Indie flicks)
Tease (Adult)
Theatrical
Trailers
The Anime Channel (from YTV)

--ETHNIC--

RSC1 (Romanian)
RSC2 (Romanian)
RSC3 (Romanian)
The Chinese News Network (CNN)
The Polish Television Network (PTN)
The Chinese Television Network (CTN)
The Polish News Network (PNN)
JYOT 24 TV
Rang Punjabi (Must TV)
Indradhanush TV
Rim Jhim TV

OTN3 (Greek)
OTN4 (Greek)

--HIGH DEFINITION--

Historia HD
Series+ HD
Canal Vie HD
VRAK-TV HD
Ztélé HD
Canal D HD
Super Écran HD
Teletoon/Télétoon HD
MusiquePlus HD
MusiMax HD

[The following channels are from the company that operates Oasis HD, Treasure HD Canada, Equator HD Canada & Rush HD Canada]

Crafts & Hobbies HD
Centre Stage HD
Clash HD
Eureka! HD
Senior’s Life HD
Aqua HD
Women’s Sports HD
 

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Here are the US channels on the approved list that are not currently available (as you will see, I believe its because they would compete with CDN channels):

American Movie Classics (AMC) [rights issues, has commercials so forget about it I say]
C-SPAN [who cares?]
Comedy Central [competes with comedy network]
Lifetime Television [competes with W]
Oxygen Network [competes with W]
Turner Classic Movies (TCM) [rights issues]
TV Land [Time to put it on and fold the CDN version because it sucks!]

I hope someday Boomerang is added to the approved list, but that may take a miracle me thinks!
Your saying the CRTC has actually apporved those channels and the satellite / cable co's are not carrying them!!! Crazy!


Here is an idea why don't we rebrand everything in the exact same name and format as the US stations but with the canadian content during repeat shows on in the US.

eg. W! becomes Oxygen Canada
Comedy Net become Comedy Central Canada
etc.

these stations would follow the US's schedule exactly for primetime / daily / nightly new shows and during repeat zone you filter in the Canadian content.

Where do you go to get listings of pending and recently approved channels, the CRTC website is to mind-boggling to find things.
 

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You can take TCM & AMC off that list as they are now available, albeit only on Star Choice so far.

As for the rest I don't see any of them becoming available any time soon. From what I have found, Oxygen could launch as most of their programs are not available on W or any other CDN channel.

Interesting about the re-branding but I am sure most would not go for that idea. We have enough CDN clones of American stations as is. Not enough Cancon to fill them all.

As for the CRTC, I keep track of these changes myself, they are not listed on the CRTC site. Except for decisions, the pending ones I get whenever they announce a hearing, they list all the applications being considered at that hearing. I visit the site regularly and go to the 'Today's releases' section. (You click on 'Today's Releases' on the main page on the top left corner)

A weird hobby of mine, just thought people might want to know what channels have been approved and might be coming. Most of the applications are crap and won't see the light of day but you never know.

I wonder if Movie News Network will launch, a similar channel in the U.S. is launching soon- Reelz Channel. Co-incidence someone applied for a channel like this here- I think not! Just trying to keep out the American one.
 
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