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A couple of weeks ago I downloaded an album with iTunes and proceeded to sync it with my two iPods. I recently skimmed through my playlists on my iPod, I noticed some albums had completely disappeared and other playlists had some some of their content removed. I called Apple and even though the rep was very helpful, he couldn't understand why that happened other than the fact that my iPods were 2nd generation and the newest iPods were 6th generation. Part of the problem might also be a lot of my songs on my iPod I copied from CDs and since Apple has now joined the streaming crowd, iTunes has been adjusted not to recognize songs not downloaded from Apple. So, if anyone has iPods which haven't been synced in a long time and have music not purchased from Apple, they might be wise not to do so since the latest updates.
 

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If iTunes works in it's current version, never upgrade it. Always is a problem for me as well with losing songs for years with every update.
 

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Sometimes it upgrades automatically or when the OS is upgraded. I've since discovered where some of my songs disappeared to: in the cloud. But, I don't know how I could lose entire albums.The Apple rep sort of implied that since Apple brought in Apple Music, any songs I installed from CDs would "disappear".
 

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Do you have a service like "Apple Music" or "iTunes Match" enabled on your account?

There's a "Download" button (looks like the one below) that should make the song/album persist on the computer in your library.

 

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I never bought any music files from iTunes. I used to have my ripped CD albums on pc and imported to iTunes. After certain updates which I did not aware of, all my cd albums disappeared, and there is no way to put any of them back on iTunes. Fortunately I can use readle to import these CD files and keep them in readle which have a music player. So, Apple is sneaky.
 

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Although I have owned an iPod, I have never purchased music from iTunes before. I have transferred MP3 Music files to my iPod with the iTunes program back in the day, but I am not aware how iTunes really keeps track of the music cus I mainly use Google Play Music for my music. Google Play Music lets me upload an Album or individual songs I already owned onto the cloud on my account. From there, all my devices have access to the music files they can download them or not if I choose to do so, Does apple iTunes upload your personal music files you ripped to the cloud? if so its just a matter of re-downloading them again, no?
 

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If iTunes works in it's current version, never upgrade it. Always is a problem for me as well with losing songs for years with every update.
I know this, be there, done that. My issue is with an ipad purchased in 2015. Till this moment I have not been able to upgrade the software on itunes. There is always an error. Now I can't get any new apps on my ipad. Maybe if I had been frequent with the updates I won't be stuck with 2015 iOS.
 

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@waterug: I think the problem is described in this long thread in Apple forum. I hope this is OK to post here. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250269935.

This is for your albums.
Problem is iTunes lists song lengths as bad ( 789:57:13 ) on your PC so they can't be played or synced, but the files are still good. Happens on ripped or edited songs (eg Audacity, Switch Sound file converter, etc.).

On page 3 there is a link to an old iTunes version iTunes 12.9.1.4 for Windows by Steve_db.
If you install this old version and click on each of the songs with bad lengths, the length in iTunes will become correct, the songs will play and can be synced again.

At the end of the thread it sounds like the next release stops more bad lengths from being created but does not fix those that have not been fixed by the steps above.
 

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cant wait till apple gets rid of itunes, I heard soon they are planning to do that. Its funny how android does not need a software to sync music only apple. why cant they have a self contained ecosystem like android where everything is on the cloud?
 

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They do have a self-contained ecosystem, where music is stored in the cloud.

They have 2 paid services that allow you to store your songs on their servers and sync them across your Apple (and Windows) devices:
  • iCloud Music Library (aka iTunes Match)
  • Apple Music, which includes iCloud Music Library, but might also support Android
I've been using one or the other since at least 2013. I can't remember exactly when I actually synced my iPhone with iTunes on my computer.
 

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I sync because playing from the cloud doesn't update last-played dates or counts. I keep copies of my music on my device & on my PC (Windows) and only play downloaded music for that reason.
 

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so no one answered my question? why do android users do not need a software such as iTunes but Apple iPhone users or iPod users still need it? what exactly are android users doing differently (than iOs users) that they do not need a software such as iTunes to sync their music they can do everything on their phone? or is no one syncing music any more now a days?
 

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Android supports the Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) which allows for drag & drop functionality with a computer. Apple doesn't support this partly because they don't expose the iOS device's filesystem to the user.
 

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Although I don't use iTunes much, it allowed me to copy my CDs onto my computer years ago. It then allowed me to make additional CDs for my vehicles which was useful at the time and still is for our 2005 vehicle. For our newer vehicle (2014) I copied my music to an SD card which I inserted into the entertainment system of that vehicle. I also copied my music to a "thumb drive" that is plugged into my BD player.

Some people have their music (from CDs or other hard copy or download) on their iPods, iPhones, etc and don't stream.

Not everyone streams. I don't use "the cloud".

I also back up my iPhone and iPad to my Computer using iTunes. The Mac Mini computer is backed up using Time Machine to an eHDD that is stored in another part of my home, along with occasional backups to a thumb drive kept off site in case of a home catastrophe. The Mac Mini files are also backed up to a MacBook Pro on occasion that I use when travelling.

iTunes is also used to transfer specific files (like specific photos, etc) from one device to another, although I've been using Air Drop for that recently.
 

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Although I don't use iTunes much, it allowed me to copy my CDs onto my computer years ago. It then allowed me to make additional CDs for my vehicles which was useful at the time and still is for our 2005 vehicle. For our newer vehicle (2014) I copied my music to an SD card which I inserted into the entertainment system of that vehicle. I also copied my music to a "thumb drive" that is plugged into my BD player.
Windows Media player also had the ability to rip Audio CD's into MP3 files fro a while now, and create additional CDs from those MP3 files or store them onto thumb drives or usb sticks too or copy them to your google play music library onto the cloud.

Some people have their music (from CDs or other hard copy or download) on their iPods, iPhones, etc and don't stream.

Not everyone streams. I don't use "the cloud".
This I 100% agree with you on. There seems to be the older generation who actually bought music and has music on many different media formats, while there also seems to be a trend with the newer younger generation aka millennials who, have never purchased music, they do not want to purchase nor do they want to play it offline the simply want to subscribe to a streaming service like apple music or spotify or google play music and stream their songs when ever they want, even when they cross the border into the usa when they are now roaming on a us network they still prefer to stream music from their phone onto their car radio even if it costs them more money on data and roaming fees in the long run.

I also back up my iPhone and iPad to my Computer using iTunes. The Mac Mini computer is backed up using Time Machine to an eHDD that is stored in another part of my home, along with occasional backups to a thumb drive kept off site in case of a home catastrophe. The Mac Mini files are also backed up to a MacBook Pro on occasion that I use when travelling.
I guess ive never had the need for a "program" to backup my stuff but I do see the point of having it used for that, I guess I am so used to backing up stuff to the cloud via mobile, Heck, I do not even own a working computer at this time so the cloud is very convenient for me.

Good points none the less. But yes more and more people are becoming computer-less so yes I do see apples vision of scrapping it all together, what are you going to do for your 3 points when itunes is gone?
 

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1. Windows Media player also had the ability to rip Audio CD's into MP3 files fro a while now,

2. what are you going to do for your 3 points when itunes is gone?
1. Yeah, but I've got Apple stuff (since 1984), so I've been using iTunes "forever".
2. We'll see. I may keep my MacBook Pro with old OS and iTunes on it.

I understand that some people don't have a computer, but being a touch typist on a real keyboard using a real computer with 24" screen means I hate even using an iPad for typing/browsing/e-mail, etc, much less an iPhone. I'm home enough and I don't text every few seconds, so I use a computer most of the time.
 

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just came across my old ipod, factory reset it, it still has the same ol original itunes icon. i guess this only applies to newer apple devices, eh?
 

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There seems to be the older generation who actually bought music and has music on many different media formats, while there also seems to be a trend with the newer younger generation aka millennials who, have never purchased music, they do not want to purchase nor do they want to play it offline the simply want to subscribe to a streaming service like apple music or spotify or google play music and stream their songs when ever they want, even when they cross the border into the usa when they are now roaming on a us network they still prefer to stream music from their phone onto their car radio even if it costs them more money on data and roaming fees in the long run.
Worth noting that streaming music and music service subscriptions are not necessarily the same thing. With many of these services, you can buy individual tracks or albums and stream them or download the files onto your device without a subscription. In some cases you can rip CDs, upload the files, and stream them without a subscription. In some cases you can download files to your device from subscription streaming services and listen locally.

We're really at a high point in terms of flexibility, choice, and competition in the music world. I think iTunes as a software tool is way past its prime, but in many ways it was absolutely key to getting us to where we are now.
 
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