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Primus TalkBroadband-First impressions

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Well... I've recently decided I was brave enough to give up my land-line and join the VoIP crowd. After extensive research Primus Talkbroadband came out on top, at least insofar as price and "advertized features" are concerned.

This is a long posting so I'll provide a quick summary: Primus has sub-par customer and technical service and are not genuinely interested in providing a service that is usable. Depending who you end up talking to, you get one version of the truth or the other :). "Our way or the high-way" seems to be their motto. Fair enough... they should however give people consistent and correct information before they sign up so that their service can be evaluated for what it is, not what they would like you to believe it is. If you want to know the details, continue reading.

I signed up for the service and 3 days later, the delivery man was standing in my door looking for my autograph :). The box contained the Primus VoIP gateway along with a nicely worded welcome letter from the Higher ups at Primus.

I opened the manual, yes I am one of those who actually read the manual :), and read through, paying special attention to their configuration instructions. Nothing revolutionarry here, just follow the steps for the "dummies" and you are set, so the manual claimed.

For my "first" :) set-up I followed their instructions to the letter. I connected the cables, and powered the unit on... lights were blinking... hurray... it's allive!... but wait... can I actually make/receive calls?... nope... back to the beginning. I checked the wiring, etc. and found everything to be as instructed. I powered it up again performing a hardware reset... and waited ... the ominous blinking red light turned green within 30 seconds. I immediately picked up the phone and got a dial tone!... I am hard to impress but at this point I was getting quite excited as things were looking up. I then called my new number assigned by Primus... "The number you have called is not in service!" the voice was telling me... so there it is, there is always something that will go wrong... Murphy got it right :)

I called technical support and got through after an almost 20 minute wait. I described in detail what the problem was and the guy on the other end cermouniously asserted that I must have made a mistake while setting up the unit... OK I said somewhat uncertain ... tell me what to do. He walked me through the wiring and setup proceedure step by step, no news here as I have done exactly the same before I called in. After about 20 minutes, he concluded that the problem is not with me, gee thanks :), then he put me on hold for about 5 minutes... I guess it was time to check with the "real" techies about this problem ?!? He got back on the phone and instructed me to fire up the configuration utility again... to save my fingers I will not detail it all suffice it to say that we kept at it for a half an hour, try this try that, until we ran out of things to try. Finally, he asks me what the MAC address of the unit is, I turn it over and read back the number off the sticker... then I notice that the number as shown in the configuration utility is different. Well that's a problem, he says, "... we'll have to forward a request to provisioning, your account is not set up correctly as the hardware MAC is different from the MAC on the sticker and that will cause problems. Somebody will call you back as soon as it's done... So no working service yet...

Next day I waited paitently for someone to call... no call. 2 days later I made another call to the tech support, a 10 minute wait. The fellow is telling me that provisioning has not completed the work order yet, they are busy... busy with what I asked.. don't know the man replies... someone will call you back. This was sounding like deja vu so I asked at this point to talk to someone who can expedite the problem. You've got to call Customer Service as there is nothing more we can do for you in the Tech support department... so he transfer me to Customer Service, this time I was on hold for another 10 minutes before I got to speak to a lady who kept asking me, "Why did they tell you to call us, there is nothing we can do". You should call them back and talk to them. At this point I am still amused as at that time it seems more like a joke, but I digress. I did ask her for an escalation but she tells me that she can only escalate a customer complaint not the tech support issue, OK then, I'll make a complaint... she gives me a reference number, then tells me : "someone will call you back" ... but wait havn't I heard this before :). 36 hours after my support issue still no resolution, on the fourth day I called the tech support department again and was told that provisining still hasn't addressed my issue because they "... must be very busy", besides, it has only been 3 days the guy says. Yes.. three days for which I am being charged for a service that is not working yet I replied... so I asked to speak to a supervisor or manager. He puts me on hold while he is looking into it, then tells me that there is nobody available, "somebody will call me back...". I can't reprint exactly what I told him next :)... but the next thing I know I am talking to a supervisor. He makes the changes in their systems in less than 2 minutes... I reboot my box and voila everything works... I did ask him why the tech support people would not do the same, he tells me they are not authorized... OK... as I'm happy that my box works, I thank him and go back to testing my setup.

As mentioned Incomming/Outgoing calls are now working, but I am having problems with internet access!... what now I'm asking myself? It turns out that if the Primus router is sitting between my computers and the broadband modem the problem is there. I call tech support back, more waiting then and tell them about the new problem and ask whether I could put the Primus router in the DMZ connected to my original firewall router. The excellence in the Primus Tech Support is revealed to me again when the guy tells me that my alternative is not a supported configuration and as such he will not help me ... then he hangs up. As I have nothing to loose, I decided to experiment myself and rewired things... now the Primus box is in the DMZ... after a few hard resets/reboots, etc., I can make and receive calls again... it's time to test distinctive ring on the alternate number ...

The default setting from Primus is such that depending whether calls are local or long distance, even the main line rings differently. Overseas calls have the same ring pattern as the distinctive ring on the alternate number, a feature that has a surcharge... great way to waste money. Even bell has this feature, but you can deactivate it by dialing a certain *## sequence. Not so with Primus, you have to call Tech Support... so I am making the call. On hold for 10 minutes again, just to be told that he can't make the change. Why not, "I don't have the authorization " the rep says. I told him about the track record with the provisioning department and that I don't have much confidence in receiving timely service. He puts me on hold and 10 minutes later, he tells me he asked a supervisor to do it and that it's done, my calls will ring the same and the distinctive ring is only on the alternate line now. He also tells me that if there is any other configuration issues with the distinctive ring, I should give them a call back! Nice, the first time I got the type of service that actually solves problems.

I'am starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel... problem is it's a train :)... The distinctive ring is "Ring D". Seldom used by fax devices and fax software. Neither of my 3 fax machines, 4 fax software picks up the Ring D pattern! It took me while to try all the configurations so I put the call in the next day. I got to talk to a very categoric rep who told me that Primus does not make any changes to the ring patterns on its lines. I know better by know than to argue with him, so I ask to speak to a supervisor, ... "someone will call you back..." is the answer. I did receive a call the next day, but the supervisor gave me the same answer. I then described to him what configuration changes were made to the ring pattern by tech support already. He did not belive me... he said that is not possible... I politely asked him to talk to the people involved and get his facts straight. It took him another day to call me back. he now confirmed that they could change the ring pattern but they won't. It's ring pattern "Ring D" and that's the way it goes as there are too many technical problems with other ring patterns. I asked him to explain to me exactly what these "problems" are as I may be willing to make a tradeoff... he did not know the details but was quite sure they are horrible ... as I was trying to decide whether he is dishonest or incompetent, he asked me whether there is anything else... yes I said, escalate my request to the appropriate level as I am unable to use the alternate line as is and based on forum postings I am not the only one having these problems... so I reasoned there must be a solution... yes there is he said, buy another line from primus $14.99... Gee, nice, I wonder whether they plan for these or these brilliant ideas just happen.

To cut a long story short, after 5 days I am still waiting for a call back while thay are still "looking into" the Ring pattern change. I am continuing to experience sound quality issues regardless whether the Primus VoIP gateway is located behind or in front of my router. With each passing day, I become less certain that I made the right decision by using Primus.
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I've read all of the problems some people have had so I guess I must be in the minority. I've been with Primus Talkbroadband service for 14 months now and would never go back to Bell for local phone service. Other than a few minor issues early on with the service, it has been rock solid. I've setup 4 friends/family to the service and they are also running fine.
Like with most things, people who have problems speak and complain the loudest. The ones where it all works as expected it to, you don't hear from them. (At least that's my thinking)

These are some of the steps I took which may or may not have helped with my success.

1. Puchased a $40 APC UPS and attached my cable, wireless and Primus VOIP devices to it. Most power outages in my area only last between 2-5 seconds with some lasting a couple of minutes. The UPS also gives "clean" power to the devices and ensures my service stays up during most power glitches.

2. Enabled QoS on my Linksys wireless router and added the VOIP MAC address as the highest priority device.

3. Last month I upgraded to Rogers Extreme service with doubles my upload rate. This helps whenever I have large uploads and I'm on the phone although QoS mostly takes care of this.

If anyone is considering a VOIP service, try it while keeping your Bell line so this way you can transfer your number to VOIP if you like it or just cancel if it doesn't work out for you.
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Wow, I resurrected this thread just looking for confirmation that Primus was the way to go. But all I mostly see is negative thoughts. And though I appreciate your feedback mot_guy, I have to wonder about some of these steps you took.

You paid $40 for a UPS, which is like paying an extra $40 for installation.

You enabled QoS on your router, which is a feature my DLink router may or may not have. And even then, people shouldn't have to figure out how to set their VOIP Mac address as top priority for proper phone service.

And you upgraded to Extreme service, which obviously costs more than you were paying before. Is there really any money to be saved?

But all that said, I am one of those guys who likes to fiddle with his "Digital Home". so it could be fun to try out. And the reason I'm looking to save any money I can is because Cogeco is about to raise prices or tv, internet, etc. I want to keep my overall bills as low as possible.
Hey asi
The steps outlined above are about getting the best possible results from VOIP and have nothing to do with Primus specifically.

None of those steps are necessary to have acceptable VOIP service. It is a good list if anyone is experiencing problems though.
bah

kcowan said:
Hey asi
The steps outlined above are about getting the best possible results from VOIP and have nothing to do with Primus specifically.

None of those steps are necessary to have acceptable VOIP service. It is a good list if anyone is experiencing problems though.

I called Primus regarding my ongoing issues with quality etc and after doing some tests, Primus blames Shaw for the issues. What a surprise. Easy to pass the buck and not take blame. I really don't see any issues with my Shaw connection, seems to run quite smoothly. I am even on the Highest package available and still horrible Primus quality. Guess its back to Telus landline or maybe Rogers phone? Oh and I have only had Primus a few days. LOL I am already very skeptical with any phone service using broadband.
Actually, many people have had problems with Shaw and VoIP, and Shaw has been playing some really cruel games. Games such as limiting bandwidth to VoIP transmissions. Others have said if you order the high speed extreme package from Shaw, it comes with the Quality of Service feature which means your VoIP system will work. As far as I know, Rogers, Eastlink, and Videotron are very good cable companies as far as VoIP goes, but Shaw sucks. Primus is probably very correct when they say this. I also know that Primus and Vonage have been complaining about Shaw and their underhanded business practices.
Kevin270 said:
Actually, many people have had problems with Shaw and VoIP, and Shaw has been playing some really cruel games. Games such as limiting bandwidth to VoIP transmissions. Others have said if you order the high speed extreme package from Shaw, it comes with the Quality of Service feature which means your VoIP system will work. As far as I know, Rogers, Eastlink, and Videotron are very good cable companies as far as VoIP goes, but Shaw sucks. Primus is probably very correct when they say this. I also know that Primus and Vonage have been complaining about Shaw and their underhanded business practices.
I disagree with many things you are saying. First of all, nothing you said has been proven or even suggested by any VoIP providers as far as I know. If Primus did say something I would be interested to see a link. I know Vonage didn't say anything publicly except about the QoS thing (see below)

There is NO evidence whatsoever that Shaw has been limiting VoIP packets as far as I know. There IS strong evidence they have been trying to limit P2P traffic in some areas though.

About the whole QoS thing. Vonage DID complain about Shaw's QoS upgrade feature which Vonage described as a QoS tax. I have not read one single user comment from anyone who paid for the QoS upgrade or full Extreme upgrade where they thought it actually improved their 3rd party VoIP service.

Having said that, I think it IS good that we have all this speculation about what Shaw may or may not be doing. It will make them think twice about ACTUALLY trying some funny business IMHO.

I currently use Vonage on Shaw. I did have some problems about a month ago but since complaining to Vonage and Shaw (mostly Vonage) my service has been outstanding lately (knock on wood). I do not know what changed or where it changed and neither Vonage nor Shaw have admitted anything to me. Shaw said it had nothing to do with them and nothing changed. Vonage opened a trouble ticket and that's the last I heard of it.
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asif9t9 said:
You paid $40 for a UPS, which is like paying an extra $40 for installation.

You enabled QoS on your router, which is a feature my DLink router may or may not have. And even then, people shouldn't have to figure out how to set their VOIP Mac address as top priority for proper phone service.

And you upgraded to Extreme service, which obviously costs more than you were paying before. Is there really any money to be saved?
The UPS I consider cheap insurance. Coincidence I experienced one of those 3 second power outages with the storm that came through the GTA tonight. No interruptions as I was on the phone at the time. :D

As for QoS, I could have put my Primus VOIP gateway right after my cable modem and it would have taken care of QoS. Instead, I wanted my Linksys router in front so enabling QoS made sence.

I've run with regular Rogers speed for the last year and only last month did I upgrade to extreme. I wanted the faster upload speeds for my day to day stuff and not for VOIP. In the end it doesn't hurt to have additional upload bandwidth.

As far as saving money, I used to pay about $43 to Bell for a phone line with 3 calling features plus any long distance so I'll round it up to $50. With Primus I pay about $30 per month which includes unlimited long distance to NA and 18 calling features (I purchased the Primus VOIP adapter so they discount $4 per month). In the past year I've also received 4 x $30 referral credits from Primus (these have covered my UPS and VOIP adapter purchase). I don't include the cost of high speed internet service since I would have that anyways regardless of phone service. In the end, I figure I'm saving about $240 per year which I can't complain about.
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a little humour today

So..here we go,

I have 3Web internet connection and Primus VOIP. So... I use a reseller of Shaw and use a new VOIP technology. :rolleyes:

Why did I choose primus? They were the only one with the alternate number option, which is very handy, why 3web? their are cheap.

I wont begin to let you guess who I call when my service(s) goes down. It can be Shaw, or 3Web or Primus. I am not allowed to call Shaw as I deal with 3Web. Bottom line, it costs me $60 per month to get high speed with VOIP and alternate number + all the bells and whistles + LD (Primus portal is actually pretty good).

When my service(s) go down, which happens at least once a day for a few minutes, I don't call anyone as it is completely useless.

Primus CS is null in knowledge, they even told me to expect regular outage they wont even hide it (at least they are honest)

3Web by far the rudest CS experience I have lived + they are completely overwhelmed by their 39.95 Voip, Web offer so better off to leave them alone

I did call Shaw once and I guess they pitied me and gave me an outstanding service, but again, they are more expansive.

Bottom line I learned to live with it. VOIP is absolutely unreliable and so is Internet. All these providers are lucky not having to comply to CRTC SLAs.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again.

My service with Primus has been great. No echoes, no cut offs etc etc. Occassionally if I'm uploading a file on the internet and someone calls, I will get some choppiness but IMO that is to be expected.

I do have to agree that Primus's customer service is terrible and my initial first couple weeks were very trying but now that I've been getting my phone for 19.99 for the past 6 mths I've pretty much forgotten about it.
trellaine said:
I called Primus regarding my ongoing issues with quality etc and after doing some tests, Primus blames Shaw for the issues. What a surprise. Easy to pass the buck and not take blame. I really don't see any issues with my Shaw connection, seems to run quite smoothly. I am even on the Highest package available and still horrible Primus quality. Guess its back to Telus landline or maybe Rogers phone? Oh and I have only had Primus a few days. LOL I am already very skeptical with any phone service using broadband.
The consensus seems to be that voice quality on cable telephone is as good or even better than a landline. I think a big part of the problem with VoIP is the lack of control of the 3rd-party gear that carries the voice traffic between the (SIP) server of your VoIP provider and the PSTN (telephone network). The result is one or more of hiss, echo, muffled speech etc.

A quick test of any provider's service is to call your voicemail at work, listen to the quality of your greeting, leave yourself a test message, and then play it back from your work phone. If you're happy with the result, great. Otherwise, send it back (I did, with 2 different VoIP providers, but I've witnessed excellent results with cable telephone).
I've been with Primus now since March and I am very happy with the service. It just works!

I'm using a Sympatico high speed dsl dry loop to run the service and have it configured to bounce to my cell phone in the case of an outage.

To my knowledge I have not yet had a call bounce to my cell. Even when I use bit torrent I rarely notice a hit on the phone line, and since I have limited the upload rate to 25kbs/S I have had zero issues.

Even my alarm system works on primus 98% of the time. The alarm panel has started beeping due to a lost phone line twice since March.

Overall I'm very happy with my primus service and love having call answer and call display which I was to cheap to purchase when I was with Bell. The other calling features I do not really use, but they are there too.

Best Regards,

Skippy31
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Just signed up for Primus VoIP.

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CS was good so far.
Will keep you updated about my experience with Primus VoIP.
Just got it, setup took all of 5min :) - so far so good. Sound is very clear without background noise or hiss etc. I'll report back later.
dlb said:
Just got it, setup took all of 5min :) - so far so good. Sound is very clear without background noise or hiss etc. I'll report back later.
Try calling your office voicemail with it and leave a long message with several silent periods and then check from your office phone. Leave a similar message from a landline and do the same. Let us know if you detect any difference in quality.

BTW, you're talking about their Talk Broadband service, correct?
I'll let my GF do that .............. TBB is at the new house we bought together. I don't forsee any problems ?? I live in a different city until next year - we talk every night for 30min +- and she sounds perfectly clear ( actually better ) I ask her how I sound ( from a landline ) and she says I'm good to go. But thanks - I'l let her know.
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CS was good so far.
Will keep you updated about my experience with Primus VoIP.
Almost one month of waiting for porting my existing phone number to Primus. Today there is no dial tone at all on my temporary Primus BB phone. Already 45 minutes of waiting for CS.

BAD...BAD
... And .. after waiting for CS for 45 min I received a busy dial tone....
Agreed, that is not good. I'm not sure why your dial tone is not working. Did you know that the dial tone that you get comes from the Primus Analogue Telephone Adapter (ATA) in your home? When you do not get a dial tone, it usually means that your ATA is unable to establish a connection to the internet. Did you check your wires? Is everything plugged in the way it should be? It is possible that Primus has deactivated you. If they have done this, you would not get a dial tone. However it does not make sense that they deactivated you. It would make more sense that something is wrong with your connection. Let us know what you find.
Almost one month of waiting for porting my existing phone number to Primus. Today there is no dial tone at all on my temporary Primus BB phone. Already 45 minutes of waiting for CS.

BAD...BAD
Have you checked the troubleshooting tips at www.dslreports.com/faq/primustbb? As Kevin said, no dial tone usually means a loss of connection to the VoIP servers. What is the status light on your gateway doing (did you say whether you have the D-Link or the Linksys)? Have you power cycled your modem and gateway as described in the FAQ?

Steve
Figured out.
They screwed up with my acct. Now all fixed and my porting is set up for Sep 18th. Hopefully this is the last bad expereience.
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