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i see FS has both on sale, but one is 100 bucks more. i did a quick side-by-side comparo and the specs are so close, i'm really wondering what i'm getting for that extra 100 bucks (150 at regular price).

can one of you enlighten me on the key improvements between the 920 and the 925? i'm just not seeing it.
 

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have i stumped the experts? :p

i saw a few posts saying the US vsx-920 is not the same as the canadian one, but the info on the respective pioneer sites makes it seem otherwise.
 

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My understanding is that the VSX-925 is FS exclusive and is just a re-badged VSX-920. The different model # means that they are not obliged to do PM against the VSX-920.
 

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sorry, the "expert" didn't see this thread earlier.

The VSX-925 is 100% the same as the VSX-920 in the US
Canadian VSX-920 is closer to VSX-820 in the US.

PS: AFAIK Pioneer Canada doesn't have a dedicated web guy anymore, the Pioneer Canada website is in shambles. Take anything on the Canadian site with a spoonful (not only a grain) of salt
 

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Canadian VSX-920 is closer to VSX-820 in the US.
David, beats me as to why Pioneer would have 2 (slightly different) AVRs carry the same model #, eg VSX-920. Do they not share the same User Manual?

Are the Elite Models such as SC35 and SC37 in the same boat?
 

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I don't know either. It's confusing and Canada is the only country which VSX-x20 series is different than the rest of the world's VSX-x20 series.

VSX-30/31/32/33 and SC35/37 are 100% identical between Canada and US
 

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If we can't trust the Pioneer Canada website where can one look for the product spec? Come to think of it, I am not even aware of this difference until you've mentioned it.
 

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You can't find a trusty product spec for Canada, really.

The web guy quit, they don't hire a new guy; even many of the good and great US web guys and gals quit too and the also don't hire any new people. There is no product trainer, there is no technology expert, there is nobody at Pioneer except for the car side.

C'est la vie.
 

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i guess i won't read too much into the different rear layouts on the USA 920 vs the Future Shop 925.

David i noticed your review of their iDevice remote app. does it work for basic i/o switching once you have everything all set up?
 

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There are also a couple of differences in features between the x20 vs x25 series, not just the back layout. Can't remember what though.

As far as the iDevice, yes you can do simple switching, volume changes, but as har as chainging balance, bass boost etc, the app is useless. Also from the Blu-ray iDevice you can open the Receiver app, but not the other way round. It feels like they've developed it halfway and then they stopped the development.
 

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yes that is a weird omission... hopefully they will update. an ipad/ipod remote is a great idea, and when done right it can be very cool!
 

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I really hope so. It's a great concept. But since the apps introduction to this day, there is no update at all, so I doubt there will ever be another update, which is sad really.

Oh well, at least Sonos and Yamaha got it right :)
 

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i didn't realize yamaha had one too. a friend of mine is very interested in an ipad/ipod control center for his next HT. in fact i am too :) i will have to look into that yamaha.

sonos i think will be a little out of my price range :D
 

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In the UK, from my experience, if the specs aren't much different between models in a range, it usually points to the quality of the components used inside which gives the resulting price difference.
 

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neilK:

Yamaha already have the iPod control a full year before Pioneer on their Network Compatible receivers and their execution is far better than Pioneer's. Unfortunately for Yamaha, they don't market it well so I know of many dealers who don't even know of the existence of this feature. Funny that I don't even work for Yamaha and it seems like their product trainer forgot to mentioned it :)

As far as Sonos goes, even if I have the money, I won't go for Sonos. It's not a good-sound-quality product, but a whole-home solution. I'm just not into that kind of market.

Airsculpture:
I can guarantee you that the 920 vs 925 difference is not in the quality of the components but the in the feature sets (which for life of me I can't remember... there are too many products for me to remember them all)
 

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finally got a minute to check the supported Yamaha models. seems it's to their high end receivers only that this support was added. :(
 

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True, but I'd rather not have the functionality rather than "it's there but it's only partially done" feature.
 

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The Yamaha Canada website for firmware updates is terrible, I had to use the US site to upgrade my RX-Z11 (twice). Yam Canada tech support was clueless as to these updates.

Same for my Samsung Plasma TV (2 updates needed) available from US site only.

My Pio VSX-80 was shipped to Toronto for a firmware update (as it needs special interface harware)

- I got it back 6 weeks later & it didn't even require an update or anything else.

This makes me very nervous, as there are some differences between some US vs Canada models - but thanks to some savy AVS forum members, from Canada, I was able to find out if the updates were "safe" or not.
 

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He he he, it's terrible now because I used to be the coordinator for Yamaha AV site (including the animator for the YPAO story, still in use in edited form today) and checked for the accuracy and updates even the wording up until 2005. Since then nobody really takes care of the website although there are updates.

The same goes wih tech support, I used to be the sole email tech support for them until 2005.

That's when they decided that they no longer need my service anymore and even to this day they don't yet have the replacement for dedicated web and tech specialist to do support.
 
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