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Ota_canuck, if you click on "View all Meetings" you will see the initial meeting was on Monday Feb. 28th, the 2nd was Wednesday. :rolleyes: You'd think the might have wanted to do a study years ago.....

I just realized you can listen to the proceedings if you click the icon just to the left of "minutes".
 

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OK! I found the minutes refered as meeting #43 & #44, yet when I went backward on the calendar, I see that these are the only two meetings > What a joke. The meetings started at 3:30pm, they did a roll call, and then the meetings were over by 4:30pm.
Meeting No. 44

Wednesday, March 2, 2011

The Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage met at 3:30 p.m. this day, in Room 8-53, 131 Queen St., the Chair, the Hon. Michael D. Chong, presiding.


Members of the Committee present: Charlie Angus, Scott Armstrong, Patrick Brown, Hon. Michael D. Chong, Bonnie Crombie, Dean Del Mastro, Royal Galipeau, Carole Lavallée, Roger Pomerleau, Blake Richards, Pablo Rodriguez and Scott Simms.


In attendance: Library of Parliament: Michael Dewing, Analyst; Marion Ménard, Analyst.


Witnesses: Canadian Association of Community Television Users and Stations (CACTUS): Catherine Edwards, Spokesperson. Media Access Canada: Beverley Milligan, President.


Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the Committee on Tuesday, November 30, 2010, the Committee resumed its study of the implementation of Canada's transition to digital television.

The witnesses made statements and answered questions.


At 4:31 p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.
Meeting No. 43

Monday, February 28, 2011

The Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage met at 3:30 p.m. this day, in Room 8-53, 131 Queen St., the Chair, the Hon. Michael D. Chong, presiding.


Members of the Committee present: Charlie Angus, Scott Armstrong, Patrick Brown, Hon. Michael D. Chong, Bonnie Crombie, Dean Del Mastro, Royal Galipeau, Carole Lavallée, Roger Pomerleau, Blake Richards and Pablo Rodriguez.


Acting Members present: Hon. Hedy Fry for Scott Simms.


In attendance: Library of Parliament: Michael Dewing, Analyst.


Witnesses: Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission: Namir Anani, Executive Director, Policy Development and Research; Scott Hutton, Executive Director, Broadcasting; John H. Keogh, Senior General Counsel.


Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the Committee on Tuesday, November 30, 2010, the Committee commenced its study of the implementation of Canada's transition to digital television.

The witnesses made statements and answered questions.


The Committee proceeded to the consideration of matters related to Committee business.

On motion of Charlie Angus, it was agreed, — That the appearance of the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) on Monday, March 7, 2011 be cancelled.


At 4:26 p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.
 

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Ota_canuck, if you click on "View all Meetings" you will see the initial meeting was on Monday Feb. 28th, the 2nd was Wednesday. :rolleyes: You'd think the might have wanted to do a study years ago.....

I just realized you can listen to the proceedings if you click the icon just to the left of "minutes".
Yes,.. these hearings are a must listen. Sounds like it is the first 2 meetings so far. They are leaning toward going to bed with Shaw and bell satelite with free boxes/dishes for rural areas as opposed to OTA antenna distribution concerns. Listening, Apparently 93% of Canada now has BDU service and it is suggested at one point that the other 7% of Canadians possibly don't even watch TV.
 

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Nobody challenged that 93% number. Lots of talk about receivers, not so much about transmitters.

Some good questions from Pablo Rodriguez (in French but you can listen to the english translation). Dumbest remark must have been Dean Del Mastro's comment about not hearing that Canadians are concerned - how the heck would they know about it since the informational campaign hasn't started??

Time to send some emails to the MPs on the committee! :eek:
 

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Not only lack of education but intentional directing the public away from OTA. Look at FutureShop and BestBuy flyers stating HDTVs must have a 'source such as cable or satellite'. No mention of antenna! Even the sales rep misinformed me that what you get OTA is only local stations in standard definition.

Clearly some of this misinformation is deliberate and that TV stores have an abundance of non-OTA related products to sell, not to mention soon-to-be obsolete analogue TVs.
 

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Also I heard no mention of the loss of CBC in London, Saskatoon, Moncton etc. I plan to write to the committee members about that this weekend.
 

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If you download & listen to the #43 & #44 study meetings posted earlier, Shaw and Bell in a spirited marketing ploy to sell their pay-services will provide local-satelite channels with free boxes/dishes for rural areas to replace the lost OTA coverage. It sounds quite like a foot-in-the-door marketing ploy, to snag existing cable/antenna viewers by offering free equipment in hopes of converting/selling them into paying satellite customers. Geez, didn't the fuller-brush and vaccum salesmen do this style of foot-in-the -door marketing back in the 50's?
 

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Great find. I had a quick look at that website and so far it looks very well written.

Edit: this was a reply to a post that seems to be missing.
 

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Great find. I had a quick look at that website and so far it looks very well written.
But a bit misleading -- while it lists stations in each market, it only provides a link to the home page of the broadcasters website.

There is no link to any broadcaster's specific plans.

In the US, statyions had to file quaterly reports with the FCC on their conversion progress, and number of PSAs aired.
 

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Look at FutureShop and BestBuy flyers stating HDTVs must have a 'source such as cable or satellite'
Can't speak for BB as I didn't see any notice of that nature in their flyer, but Futureshop is more stated that "Requires an HD source, SUCH AS a HD cable or satellite receiver". They are careful not to say Must Have, but fail to indicate that other HD sources can be connected, even money making Blu-ray. They want to, for sure, to believe that there is nothing else out there that can broadcast HD than cable or sat, that's for sure.
 

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There is no link to any broadcaster's specific plans.
I would hope that as the stations add their plans to their websites, the links will be updated to point directly to them. You can't blame the lack of information from the stations on this website.
 

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Next Meeting is Monday Afternoon

Posted today:

HOUSE OF COMMONS
3rd Session, 40th Parliament
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NOTICE OF MEETING

STANDING COMMITTEE ON CANADIAN HERITAGE

Meeting No. 45
Monday, March 7, 2011
3:30 p.m. to 4:30 p.m.


WITNESSES

Department of Canadian Heritage

Jean-Pierre Blais, Assistant Deputy Minister
Cultural Affairs

Helen Kennedy, Deputy Director General
Broadcasting and Digital Communications Branch

Industry Canada

Marc Dupuis, Director General
Engineering, Planning and Standards Branch, Spectrum, Information Technologies and Telecommunications Sector
 

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Anyone call the phone number yet?

I'd like to but can't at the moment.

Contact the Team

Address:
Canadian Heritage
25 Eddy Street, 7th Floor
Gatineau, Quebec K1A 0M5

Email: [email protected]

Toll-free telephone*: 1-855-DTV-5050 (1-855-388-5050)

TTY** (Toll-Free): 1-888-997-3123

*The toll-free lines have agents available to answer your questions, Monday to Friday, 8:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. (Eastern Time).

**The TTY is a telecommunication device for people who are deaf, hard of hearing, or speech-impaired.
 

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Is the Canadian Digital Transition being abused for BDU gain?

Is this the beginning of the end for Canadian OTA?
It sure seems that Canada is now 'flipping-off' OTA viewers:[fipping-off meaning using their middle finger]
http://www.pch.gc.ca/eng/1282825334983

http://www.pch.gc.ca/eng/1297881135894/1298654210013

Affected? What to Do
Remember, if you watch television via cable, satellite, or via the Internet, you will continue to receive your existing television services. You do not need to buy additional equipment or subscribe to additional TV services.

Your Local Stations Are Switching to Digital Television
If your television has an integrated digital tuner, you will be able to continue viewing local stations that have switched to digital signals.

If your television does not have a digital tuner, but you wish to continue viewing local stations that have switched to digital signals, you have three options:

Install a Digital-to-Analog Converter Box
A digital-to-analog converter box connects to your television and converts digital signals so that they can be viewed on your analog television. If you have more than one television, you will need a converter for each one.

If your rabbit ears are very old and pick up only very high frequency (VHF) signals, you will need to replace them with a set that can pick up both VHF and ultra high frequency (UHF) signals.

See the Digital-to-Analog Converter Box page for more information.

Buy a Digital Television
See the Before You Buy a Television page for more information.

Subscribe to Cable or Satellite
Contact your local provider for information on available services. Remember, there are fees to subscribe to cable or satellite. Private sector programs to provide free satellite service may become available to qualified households. Information about these support programs will be provided at a later date.

Your Local Stations Are Discontinuing Their Broadcasting
If a local station will no longer be broadcasting and you wish to continue viewing the same network, you will need to subscribe to cable or satellite.


If you have more than one television set that is affected, you will need to take action for each set.

Note: Some channels have started to broadcast a significant portion of their content on the Internet. Consult their Web site to see if this alternative would meet your needs.
Is the Canadian Digital Transition being abused for BDU gain?
 

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I don't like the way they state that though most stations on certain markets are required to make the transition, not all will make the switch - they might discontinue their local broadcasting. What are we supposed to make of this?
 

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O.K. - so I listened online to the First meeting of Feb 28.

At one point, they ask:
"So are we hearing from anyone who watches TV Over The Air ?"

I think it is important, then, for alot of people to start writing in and calling in and saying, more or less, that you watch TV OTA, that you listened to the hearings, and that you are concerned about what will happen after the transition date.

Send in an email and mention you watch OTA and you are concerned.

[ Try and send it in before the next meeting - Monday March 7 ]

I'm gonna mention that here in Ottawa, we already have several major broadcasters already transmitting OTA in Digital - and that we've set it up at work - and that it is GREAT - and that as many Canadians as possible should be given the opportunity to experience that. ex. CBC HD broadcasts - Sports, Olympics, National News etc. Canadian Content in HD!

And that in Kingston, we're getting a few great digital ones direct OTA from the U.S. - our "Friends to the South".

As for SHAW's offer to set everyone up with satelite. Noble offer. But ...

I would ask the questions:
Is SHAW going to give the Dish, the receiver, the cabling, and the installation and setup for FREE? To all those who ask for it? Will SHAW be asking any Monthly Fees? Will SHAW be mainataining all those setups for FREE as time goes by? What about satelites? Is SHAW going to provide all the required signals via satelite?

SHAW's offer to help is very Noble - but I can't see that as being really feasable for their company ...for all OTA customers who might "lose" signal - or just ask for it anyway. But certainly, there may be quite a few who would need this sort of solution.

So SHAW is starting to envision FTA satelite services - as the new way of broadcasting ... yes ... ok ... but then it could be ALL satelite companies to offer and assist with this ... perhaps for some fee ... and those FTA sat services might have to be regulated then ... similar to OTA broadcasting - as that is their intended purpose. We are in the satelite age after all.

The goal of everyone should be to avoid this sort of thing as much as possible. Lets stick with OTA - much as we can - where ever it is feasable.
 

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Well,

One. Yes. Canadian Digital Transition is being abused for BDU gain.

Two. Even i have a Three HD Tuner Box and one PCI HD ATSC/QAM Tuner to get Off the Air HD TV Signal. I don't think that the Channels Repeaters for New Glasgow, NS is ever going to be HD. Instead, There be no Off Air Signal and you will need to get Eastlink or Bell/ShawChoice to Continue to watch GlobalTV and Edited US Network expect you will be paying more because cable company and now forced by the court to pay to carry local television.
 
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