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its looks like CBC Ottawa is sending out a strong HD signal for Northeast Ontario. I have a question, my cottage is accross the lake from Pembroke, about 75 miles from Ottawa

Would i have a chance picking up CBC HD and other digital signals are they begin to come up in Ottawa?
 

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If you have any chance of picking up CBC-DT in Ottawa, I would suggest a Channel Master 4228 8 bay UHF antenna and a good preamplifier like a Channel Master Titan 7777 or a Winegard AP 8275. Mooun the antenna on the roof, and there is a better than even chance that you'll see Ottawa..., and if you don't you'll still see a bunch of Ottawa UHF staions like CHRO and the Ottawa transmitters for CITY and OMNI-1 and OMNI-2

http://www.channelmaster.com/pdf/AntInstallGuide.pdf
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Cut and paste problem?

For the first time, my receiver showed me SRC's red screen (with 22-11 on the display) but only briefly.

Usually, doing a manual scan on 22 brings me to 04-01 on channel 25. I'm starting to wonder if they simply took CBOT information and copied it over, forgetting some of the changes that needed to be made!

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CBC-HD English and French now transmitting regular programming

As of 6am this morning :)

In Nepean and getting 99% signal strength for both with pcHDTV-5500 tuner card for my computer.

Looks great even for SD programming. Can't wait for hockey telecasts.
 

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CBOFT showed up on Aug. 31st on my receiver, the day before real content was aired.

5 channels now...

04-01 CBOT-DT
09-01 CBOFT-DT
18-01 WNPI-DT (SD upconverted)
57-01 WCFE-HD
57-02 WCFE-SD

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Borrowed my friend's indoor antenna. Video and sound are crisp.
But I don't want to invest on outdoor antenna just because of CBC HD.
What's next in line ?
 

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It is hard to say what is next in line at this point. The CRTC will be holding hearings in November about many aspects of broadcasting, and one of the agenda items is the future of digital OTA. Almost all of us here at the DHC OTA Forum demand that they set a specific mandatory cutoff date for having digital OTA come up across Canada. As it is, you can keep calling all the other Ottawa TV stations and demanding that they bring up their digital transmitters asap. Also if you look through this thread you'll see people are getting some U.S. digital stations too.
 

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aren't ATI Wonder cards pretty much the same as any ATSC tuner? I would say that as long are you are within a decent distance of the broadcasting tower, an indoor antenna would be all you'd want, i mean its not like theres any other stations that your trying to get.
 

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i mean its not like theres any other stations that your trying to get.
Well there is WNPI-DT [23] which some people have been able to pick up. Because of the topology, those living in centre-town have troubles receiving WNPI, but in the suburbs you should be able to get it with an outdoor antenna.

One question though, with CBOFT-DT [22] at 332.9kW and CICO-TV [24] at 332.8kW (and CBOT-DT [25] at 332.9kW) will reception of WNPI-DT [23] suffer from adjacent channel interference?

As for the original question, it depends where impronto lives, but I agree with you that he should be able to pick up CBOT-DT [25] and CBOFT-DT [22] with an indoor antenna.
 

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...with CBOFT-DT [22] at 332.9kW and CICO-TV [24] at 332.8kW (and CBOT-DT [25] at 332.9kW) will reception of WNPI-DT [23] suffer from adjacent channel interference?
ATSC really cleaned up adjacent channel interference, but with CICO-TV being NTSC we'd have to see if it has been allowed a frequency offset, and if so is it biased towards 23 or 25? My guess is the former due to CBOT-DT having been assigned. I'll check the IC database to see if I can find out.

Even so, ATSC signals are pretty good at punching through the analogue mess, so adverse effects would likely be a higher error rate, meaning that the ATSC tuner would face a higher threshold before being able to lock WNPI-DT. Of course this is all academic at this point until we see the actual effects in action, but that's my guess.
 

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are those numbers right? Ottawa has digital stations at 330kW?

what can't some of the Toronto stations broadcast their HD channels at a high power like that. Theres more people to reach in Toronto, and it makes it easier for the fringe viewers to recieve the signals.
 

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are those numbers right? Ottawa has digital stations at 330kW?
Well, both the Listings Of Canadian OTA Television Stations and W9WI.com list those numbers, but they both get their data from Industry Canada so it is possible that they have the wrong numbers.

what can't some of the Toronto stations broadcast their HD channels at a high power like that. Theres more people to reach in Toronto, and it makes it easier for the fringe viewers to recieve the signals.
The problem is Toronto is much closer to the US border (and major US cities) so there is greater potential of interfering with other stations.
 

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OTA channels on Rogers feed.

Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, but here goes:

Are any of the OTA DTV signals that are available in the Ottawa area also carried unencrypted on Rogers cable? I'm thinking of things like CBC-HD, or locally broadcast DTV (is there any?).

It would be nice if i could just plug the cable into my ATSC tuner instead of messing with an antenna on the roof.
 

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The short answer to your question is no.

Digital cable uses QAM and Digital OTA uses ATSC so your ATSC tuner is useless with digital cable and the cable companies use the same frequency bands as the OTA channels so they can't be just shoved down the same pipe (ignoring the fact that they would have to change the channel it is broadcast on to prevent problems with multipath interference).

Some TVs come with a QAM tuner that will tune in unencrypted channels, but to the best of my knowledge, all of the cable companies in Canada encrypt all of their channels (even the free ones).

A few TVs come with a cable card slot for decrypting the encrypted channels, but once again to the best of my knowledge, none of the cable companies in Canada support cable cards.

Even if the signal was unencrypted or you could use a cable card, you would still suffer from the same picture degradation that you would have using an external cable box. The only way to get the pure ATSC signal is OTA.

And to answer your other question CBOT-DT and CBOFT-DT are the only local DTV stations currently broadcasting in Ottawa. Some people have been able to pick up PBS stations from the US though.
 

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Thanks for the explanation.

My TV card can receive QAM as well as ATSC, I think (PCHDTV-5500), but I couldn't pick up anything viewable on the cable when I scanned it. I was hoping I was just doing something wrong, but I guess all the signals I found are the encrypted streams you mentioned.

Isn't there some CRTC rule that cable providers have to carry local DTV stations unencrypted?
 
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