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Just turned on my TV and discovered that Telus Optik has "upgraded" the PVR functionality. Now when you turn on a program you will find that you can rewind them back to the very beginning and watch the entire show (within a limited time frame). However, if you do this you will not be able to fast forward or skip commercials because these functions are disabled. The part that really irritates me is that those functions are also disabled if you pause live TV - that is if you pause, walk away and come back in a few minutes you won't be able to fast forward or skip commercials from that point on. You can get around it if you press record instead of pause but I know I'm going to screw that up a few times before I change my habits. Definitely not a user friendly change. I wonder if this is something broadcasters demanded.

Does anyone know if Shaw PVR works this way?

Edit by 57 - Link to Restart Feature provided in post 14 by @Dr.Dave, Thanks.

https://www.telus.com/en/bc/support/article/optik-restart
 

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Sounds to me like its very similar to the Restart feature offered on Bell Fibe TV and Bell Aliant FibreOP TV. When you "Restart" a program you can not utilize REW or FF functions.
 

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Certainly sounds like "Restart". Is there a name for this with Optik? If you set recordings, they will still function as before, so it's not a downgrade in my eyes, just another feature that some people may utilize.
 

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I have no idea what the name Telus has put to this "feature". It showed up today with no warning.

I really don't see this as an upgrade. Previously I could turn on the news and if I got distracted or busy I could always go back (for up to an hour) and replay stories I missed without having to watch commercials or news stories I wasn't interested in . Now I can only go back 8 minutes (it turns out the rules are different for different kinds of broadcasts).

Of course I can record the news from the beginning but good luck trying to teach the rest of my family to do that.

Also, I don't see that I will ever use the 'RESTART' function.
 

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I'm not sure. I haven't had enough time to experiment with it. I'll try again tonight.
 

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57, you are right. I guess it's not as bad as I originally thought. Tried another channel (not the news) and it looks like I can rewind back to the point that I tuned in. Still the same functionality as before.
Although, if you rewind or skip back too quickly after tuning in, you are in Restart mode without warning (i.e. no fast/skip forward). This is what caused my confusion. I guess I didn't play with it enough before starting my rant.

You can delete this thread if you like.
 

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If you press the INFO button, for some programs there are two new additional options: "Resume" and "Restart show" (in addition to the existing options "Record show", "Record series", etc). "Resume" appears to be the same as pressing the BACK button; it closes the Information screen.

"Restart show" does what it says - it jumps you back to the beginning of the program.

When you watch a "restarted" show, it functions much the same as an On Demand title. (I'm going to start thinking of as "Live On Demand"). As others have mentioned, FFWD/SKIP is disabled. You also have a limited time to watch the show (e.g. It says "You have until 8:00PM to finish watching this program.")

Programs that can be restarted are marked in the program Guide with a "circular arrow" icon. Also, if you tune in a live program that can be restarted, there is a new "Restart Show" indicator in the program information banner.

I'm in the habit of recording all my favorite series, but even so sometimes I do find myself channel surfing live TV, when the ability to restart would be very useful.
 

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I ran into the same problem, I turn on the news, and go do something else, then rewind it and jump through the commercials. I did that today and I guess I rewound it to fast, because it said that I wasn't allowed to fast forward through the commercials. I guess they are getting prepared to make you watch the commercials in everything at some future date, and this is an early trial to get you used to it.
 

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I guess they are getting prepared to make you watch the commercials in everything at some future date, and this is an early trial to get you used to it.
No, you still have all the previous PVR functionality, but if you want to use "Restart" the price you pay is commercials. It's the same on other providers with this feature.

If you don't want to get "caught out", record the programme.
 

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It looks like the danger of the rewind "trap" has been reduced. Today I tried rewinding a live show, and when it hit the point where the program was initially I tuned in, the rewinding stopped and I got this warning:

"Due to rights, rewinding further will restrict your use of fast forward."


I don't think I saw this warning yesterday? Maybe I did and I just thought it was a bug and ignored it. Anyway, if this warning always pops up as appropriate, and we get used to seeing it then maybe the complaints will die down.

Ultimately I hope this feature exists in a way so that it's there if you want it but nobody is "accidentally stumbling into it".
 

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I searched the Telus web site and find the documentation on this feature:
https://www.telus.com/en/ab/support/article/optik-restart
If you pause or rewind immediately after tuning in to a program where Restart is available, you will trigger Restart mode. When tuning in to a new channel, wait 30 seconds before pausing or rewinding. Your request will proceed without triggering Restart mode.
For a list of channels that support the Optik Restart feature visit Optik Restart channels list. More channels will become available in 2017. Live programs that offer this feature will have the Restart icon in the TV guide.

My comments: TV providers such as Telus only have permission to show the live channel. They must negotiate for the ability to restart programs with each channel and each program owner. Not all programs on a channel will have restart capability. For those that do, the channel owners generally require that fast forward be disabled when the feature is used.

The Restart feature is part of the Mediaroom platform that all telcos in Canada use, so it is the same as Bell Fibe. Given the controversy that Bell had when they implemented the feature, Telus should have notified their users in advance to minimize the confusion we see here.
 

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@querty-m4n Shaw BlueSky has the "restart" functionality. I've done it plenty on shows and can FFW or RW fine through commercials. I've never tried on a news channel yet though. Restart appears on shows that are carried on demand. Sometimes broadcast agreements come into play.
 

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@buckycat The Telus Restart system works with live TV. My understanding is the Shaw Restart system only works with some reruns if the content aired previously and happens to be available On Demand.
 

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I finally had a chance to do some testing with how this works. I noticed that while "Record episode" is an option when watching a restarted program, it doesn't actually record it from the beginning, but live. Also, CTV and CityTV are available despite not being on the list. Only local affiliates of the networks are available though, not time shifted ones. Fast-forwarding IS available on TMN/HBO, even with restarted programs, presumably because they aren't ad-supported.
 
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