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If you do this, I higly reccomend connecting the UVSJ the other way around with the antenna connected to the combined port and the UHF port to the CM7777 to ensure no signal leaks from the VHF port to the amp. I would still terminate the VHF port though.
Argh! Thanks for catching this, Roger! That is what I meant to type, but got so focused on being clear about the port identification (since it's being connected in "splitter" mode), that I got them backwards. :(
To avoid the need for a second downlead, you can get a band combiner (such as the EU385-CF) that has power pass on the UHF port, allowing you to put it between your pre-amp and power injector.
Yes, definitely something to consider, and would simplify grounding.
 

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I am bringing this tower over from TO from our house that we sold to Ottawa ( orleans area ). I am guessing this will help with signal gain?



Also....am I able to attach a 1.2m dish on a motor to it to get true FTA, or am I just better off with the dish on the ground in the backyard? I am buying a VHF cm 3020 also to go with my cm4228 that I already have in the pic

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Hey Mick,

I thought you wanted a VHF only antenna up top. That would combine easier with your 4228.

I would mount your dish low on the tower depending on the tower type you have, or you could eave mount it like half the houses in Orleans.

Let me know when your tower goes up, I would like to watch (or help).
 

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Yes I want the vhf antenna that have just bought online, to be coupled with the cm4228 you see in the pic. The pic is from our house in the GTA, I am trying to create the same look here in Ottawa

Looks like the city by-laws here are going to cause me to install the tower somewhere else in the yard, unlike with the location in the pic

I just wanted to make sure too that a 1.2m dish won't be too heavy for sure a tower and that it will be able to move with a motor
 

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Somerset and Bayswater, west of Downtown

Recently, my wife and I have been considering dropping our Rogers cable subscription for OTA TV since we don't ever seem to find anything worth watching on TV except TSN and local programming.

We have a 5 year old TV with NTSC and live on the 10th floor of an apartment building. Here is my report from TV Fool (which is pretty confusing to someone as inexperienced as I am).

My questions are:

1. Will a simple TV top antenna work to pick up the analogue stations in green on the report and possibly some of the yellow due to the height of our apartment?

2. Am I right to assume that I need a convertor box with the simple antenna to pick up the digital stations as well?

3. Any other suggestions?
 

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Watertown booming in tonight

Getting the Watertown channels (WWTI on UHF 21) at very strong levels tonight. Should be a good night for DXing for Ottawa.

Also getting WNYF on uhf 35 (28.1). No sign of WWNY on 7, not even a blip.
 

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Vrain;

Taller building are likely to contain a lot of metal in their construction, which will shield TV signals. You should be able to receive some of the stations shown in green on your TV Fool report. I would suggest giving it a try...

You would have better luck putting your antenna by the window or out on the balcony. You will still have some shielding from the building, however.

A converter box is necessary for older TV sets that were intended for NTSC reception.

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Recently, my wife and I have been considering dropping our Rogers cable subscription for OTA TV since we don't ever seem to find anything worth watching on TV except TSN and local programming.

We have a 5 year old TV with NTSC and live on the 10th floor of an apartment building. Here is my report from TV Fool (which is pretty confusing to someone as inexperienced as I am).

My questions are:

1. Will a simple TV top antenna work to pick up the analogue stations in green on the report and possibly some of the yellow due to the height of our apartment?
Rerun the TVFool report for a 100 foot elevation to simulate your 10th floor apartment. (You can also use TVFools's OnLine Maps feature to position your location at the exact spot in your building if you switch from Terrain view to Satellite view. And then if you click on the checkbox for "Show lines pointing to each transmitter", you can see whether you have Line Of Sight to the transmitters without going through the building.)

2. Am I right to assume that I need a convertor box with the simple antenna to pick up the digital stations as well?
Yes. Depending on which side of the bulding you're lcoated on, you may have trouble with CKXT (Suntv) or CITY-DT.
3. Any other suggestions?

Edit: Located at Somerset and Bayswater, west of downtown Ottawa.
Until August next year, you can get all of the local analog stations, but you may get bad ghosting if you are on the wrong side of the building. To get the digital stations, you'll either need a new TV, or a digital set-top converter.
 

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Vrain, As old sparks says, tall buildings have a lot of metal in their construction and this will hurt your reception. What direction is your apartment facing? If you are facing south, you should do well as the strong stations (which should be better at penetrating the building) will be to the north. If you are facing north, the stations to the south could be tough to receive well.
 

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Orleans reception and future set-up

TVFool results

Hi guys,
I live in the condo complex at the end of Orleans Bld. I made a DIY di-quad for fun. When I set up on the porch (i live in the upper units facing south) I receive 4.1, 9.1, 17.1, 20.1 and 27.1. The analogs are not so great, only the line of sights one were okay. The 2nd edge, not so great. Sun-TV, 20.1 sometimes doesn't get in (below 40%).

I didn't have the compass with me when I tested the reception, so tonight I will align and post my results. I would say my bearing was 250 deg MAG., so not totally lined up with HC or CF.

Since I got encouraging results because of this experience thanks to you, I will invest in a better UHF antenna and consider an install for my dad's place as well. We used to get a lot of analog channels on the farm years ago.

From my TVFool's results, I would like to get an attic mount since I am on the top units. However, I would definitely appreciate the PBS channel or others to come in, specially next summer.

I think I am dreaming. I don't think a CM4228 would fit in the attic hole without a chainsaw :rolleyes: Probably a two bay would fit.

Have a great day and thanks again for this opportunity.
Trex
 

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Thanks for the quick replies, looks like I came to the right place:)

Here is my new TV Fool report with 100 feet off the ground and here is my satellite map report from TV Fool.

What direction is your apartment facing?
My apartment is on the west side of the building and faces slightly south.


To clarfiy a little further, a simple antenna has the capability to pick up both analogue and digital but I will need a converter box to watch the digital channels? Or do I need a better antenna to pick up the digital channels in addition to the convertor box.

Also, I saw a converter box by RCA in Superstore yesterday that, if I remember correctly, said it had an antenna built in. Is this worth it or possible?
 

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2. Am I right to assume that I need a convertor box with the simple antenna to pick up the digital stations as well?

Only if your TV does not have an integrated ATSC tuner. The coaxial input of a TV with only NTSC support vs a TV with NTSC & ATSC looks exactly the same, it is a single input.

Since your TV is only 5 years old I would double check if there is not already an ATSC tuner in it. Just doing a channel scan when you get your antenna will give you an idea, it should display digital channels if it sees some.

EDIT: there may be other device you already own which also have an integrated ATSC tuner...
 

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Since your TV is only 5 years old I would double check if there is not already an ATSC tuner in it. Just doing a channel scan when you get your antenna will give you an idea, it should display digital channels if it sees some.
According to a quick google search my TV (Samsung TX-P2734) only has the NTSC.


EDIT: there may be other device you already own which also have an integrated ATSC tuner...
What other devices have ATSC built in?
 

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@vrain - unfortunately your satellite map link doesn't work here, so I'm guessing at the orientation and shape of your building. But from your description of facing west slightly south you should be able to see the direction of the tv towers at 317 degrees from a window, correct? These are really strong and LOS so you should be able to get a great signal from that direction.

The other direction at 150 degrees would be weaker (assuming the signals have to travel through significant portion of your building). These might require a bigger and better antenna to catch.

To clarfiy a little further, a simple antenna has the capability to pick up both analogue and digital but I will need a converter box to watch the digital channels?
yes - an antenna will pick up both digital and analog.

Also, I saw a converter box by RCA in Superstore yesterday that, if I remember correctly, said it had an antenna built in. Is this worth it or possible?
If the store has a return policy, then it's just your time that is wasted if it doesn't work. If the convertor box + antenna picks up all the stations you want then you're done! Otherwise just return it. It would give you a great idea of how well your reception is from your location.
 

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@trex83:

Glad it worked out for you. Seems from your description that at about 12db NM in the tv fool chart you start to lose the digital channels. Picking up WCFE (PBS) at -15db NM on the tv fool chart would mean you would have to increase the gain by about 27 db. I'm not sure if a 4228 in the attic would give you that much gain increase over the biquad.
 

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I picked up a Phillips SDV2115/27 UHF/VHF/FM antenna for $12 today. I seem to get CBC (4), Global (6) CBC French (9) and CTV (13) very well and CHCH (11) with a snowy picture all with the antenna mounted on top of my TV.

If I attach the gold cable which is attached to the UHF antenna, I can't get any channels in the UHF range. Is there something different I need to do to receive these? As it is, the channels I can get are most of what we watch anyways, but accessing the analogue versions of CITY, A-Channel, TVO, and Omni would be a great bonus.
 
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