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WPXJ is definitaley much more solid here in Mississauga. Its virtualy 24/7 since the channel change.
 

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Attenuation filter solutions for channel 35:


Major Tom showed me how to make a single channel "stub filter" by tricking out a splitter and adding a piece of coax whose length corresponds to the channel's frequency. Can look up the method if you like or he might answer you directly.

Jan Jenca Antenna Components makes filters at reasonable prices ( about $40 Us per channel)
Yeah, I use the 1/4 wave stub cut for 1/4 wavelength at ~ 64.6 MHz, since a 1/4 wave stub repeats the null at odd multiples of a 1/4 wavelength, it produces a good null at
N =1,3,5,7,9 so 64.6 MHz * 9 = 581 MHz which is Channel 32. I wanna attenuate that while leaving other spectrum untouched, since I have to face Grand Island to see the CN tower. These Conwork Tee adapter make for a rather clean hookup to add a 1/4 wave open circuit stub between a UHF antenna and uhf port of uvsj, which then feeds a preamp. Between The UHF antenna and UVSJ so that the null in the VHF Hi band won't have any impact at all to your VHF antenna.
Using nothing more than one of them Tee connectors and a small length of coax, while aimed directly at Grand Island I am able to achieve about 23 dB attenuation on Ch 32, without impacting ch 33 hardly at all. I measured about -23 dBm on Channel 32 while facing GI dead on without it. Insert the stub and Ch 32 is like -46 dBm. You cut them a little longer than required (null will be at a lower freq than desired initially, say ch 29 or so), then keep trimming them in like 1/8" increments or less until the channel ur trying to knock down ch 32 in my case starts to decrease in "Strength" then I know I am getting closer. Each trim will increase the frequency of the null. Stop trimming when u think you have it where ya want it. It is easy to get greedy trimming too much and the null will pass the desired freq if ur not careful. Doesn't need to be a perfect null though, especially if there's nothing critical just below the desired frequency.
Dress it, seal it up from the weather and ur good to go.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071JK5G9K/

assuming cable VF of 83% yours may or may not be different, look it up.
For my CH 32 (581 MHz)
Code:
Freq (MHz) N*1/4 wave	in	cm	3 dB Bandwidth MHz
64.6	1	        38.0	96.4	12.9
193.7	3			
322.8	5			
451.9	7			
581.0	9			
710.1	11
For your CH 35 (599 MHz)
Code:
Freq (MHz)	N*1/4 wave	in	cm	3 dB Bandwidth MHz
66.6	1	                 36.8	93.5	13.3
199.7	3			
332.8	5			
465.9	7			
599.0	9			
732.1	11
 

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Thanks majortom, I think I understand using a Tee connector connect one end to the uhf output of the antenna and one to the preamp while hanging a 36.8 inch piece of coax from the third connector. I will have to do some adjustments with the antenna to test this because even though I am less then 5 miles from the channel 35 tower I do not receive a signal from it unless I point the antenna directly at the antenna about 90 degrees from Toronto and 45 from Grand Island which doesn't work for me because I lose PBS and some Toronto channels.

John
 

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Has anyone been able to snag WNYB since they moved to broadcasting on channel 5 and if so, what equipment are you using to bring it in. My re-scans tend to stumble at channel 5 so I know there is something there but it's not locking on. Granted, I am not using the right gear but I was just wondering how everyone else has been making out.
 

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@fgt - I'm in Niagara and can't get WNYB anymore since they moved frequencies. I rescanned my parents' TV in Brantford a few weeks ago and didn't pick it up, however, it is a channel they don't watch so I didn't try any measures to try and get it to come in.
 

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Ok, that's good to know. If you can't get it in Fort Erie, the chances of me getting it in Brantford are not good. I was wondering if it was worth the expense of new gear to try and snag it but it doesn't look promising. The only channel I used to watch occasionally was 26-3 Light TV. If there is something on there I really want to watch, I'll stream it from their website. Thanks for the info.
 

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Definitely some signal on RF 5 for WNYB coming to me, but never enough to get a picture.

Also, I have not aimed for it since they went to 5; if I did, it would screw up getting my regulars from TO/BUF and the programming is blah.

I'm more interested to see what happens when WNYO makes it move...
 

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Yeah, I know. For me I can pretty much kiss that one goodbye. If you look at the rabbit ears info, the new antenna will be broadcasting south east primarily away from us. The old antenna was to the north west and for me it was only an occasional channel even with that so there is another channel gone.
 

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I am just south of Buffalo and the highest SNR I have seen on RF 5 is ~ 24 dB.
Seems is usually around 22 dB or less here.
I am not using a VHF Lo antenna, and not aiming south...
just the fixed VHF Hi Yagi which is facing the CN Tower.
That spectrum is quite noisy around here it seems.
 

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Recommendations/help.

Hey all. Im working on a bit of a big project, and need some expertise on a couple things, not sure what products exist. Preface: Im building a small TV headend into an IPTV server. The project is based on a tower situated around Hagersville Ontario, and Im trying to pick up channels in Kitchener, Toronto, Erie, and Buffalo with 100% or near 100% reception quality.

I have 4 RG11 feed lines up my tower to about the 100-110 foot mark for each direction, my questions are as follows?:
I have a weaker VHF channel 12 WICU and a weaker UHF channel 28 WJET I need to improve the signal on in the Erie, PA direction, so Im looking for recommendations on a good affordable VHF antenna for this channel, and a good UHF antenna (91xg?) for this direction, and a good combiner//stacker for this feed line. A medium range winegard/RCA antenna does not work well enough, there is no preamp on any of the feed lines now.

Id like to combine all the feed lines at the base of the tower and feed these into 4-6 quad tuner PCI cards, making all antennas available on all tuners, so Im looking for a product that will let me combine/distribute the feed lines.

The other directions receive signal OK on 2 91xg antennas, and one Winegard/RCA combo VHF UHF antenna that is popular on Amazon.

The antennas have to be standoff mounted, I cant use the top of the tower, so all the antennas hang off the side so this is a consideration of mine.

Thanks! Go easy.. First post.
 

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Im trying to pick up channels in Kitchener, Toronto, Erie, and Buffalo with 100% or near 100% reception quality.
For starters, I wouldn't combine antennas. It will introduce multipath, adjacent channel and co-channel interference that will reduce signal quality. I would feed each antenna directly into a dedicated quad tuner card. Then scan each tuner card separately and keep only the signals intended for each tuner plus antenna combination.

One option for VHF is the Antennas Direct 5 (aka ClearStream 5 or CS5.) It's a very durable, compact antenna that's comparable to a 5 element yagi for gain. If that doesn't work, a single or two stacked 10 element yagis may be required.

Antennas Direct also makes a UHF-VHF combiner (aka UVSJ.) It's OK to combine UHF and VHF antennas with a UVSJ. I wouldn't combine two antennas with a standard splitter/combiner unless they are identical antennas pointing in the same direction (stacked) to increase gain.
 

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Im looking for a product that will let me combine/distribute the feed lines.
One option would be to use HDHomeRun tuners. These are compact TV tuners that operate standalone and convert the TV signals to IP signals that can be used by media players, smart TVs and PC DVR software. Since there is no need for PC cards, they represent a relatively compact, low power, low cost solution. They could be placed in a weatherproof housing at the base of the tower and the outputs combined using an ethernet switch. The output would then be distributed from over a single ethernet cable. That would require running power and ethernet to the base of the tower. I wouldn't use wifi due to the bandwidth required by that many signals.
 

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The map is based based on the intersection of Alma St S and Church St E in Hagersville, but I don't know how close that is to your tower.

Im building a small TV headend into an IPTV server. The project is based on a tower situated around Hagersville Ontario, and Im trying to pick up channels in Kitchener, Toronto, Erie, and Buffalo with 100% or near 100% reception quality.

I have a weaker VHF channel 12 WICU and a weaker UHF channel 28 WJET I need to improve the signal on in the Erie, PA direction, so Im looking for recommendations on a good affordable VHF antenna for this channel, and a good UHF antenna (91xg?) for this direction, and a good combiner//stacker for this feed line. A medium range winegard/RCA antenna does not work well enough, there is no preamp on any of the feed lines now.
Hello, David; welcome to the forum. Here is a signal report from rabbitears.info also based on the intersection of Alma St S and Church St E in Hagersville:
https://www.rabbitears.info/searchmap.php?request=result&study_id=41559

This is a extract from that report:

 

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That chart seems a little dated or some entries may change very soon due to the UHF repack. Some of the Erie stations have very directional signals since the repack and reception may not be practical. The effective radiated power (ERP) towards Canada is or will soon be so low that the signal will be extremely weak. In that case, I would settle for getting the same network from Buffalo or another city. A few stations from Buffalo may also fall into that category.
 

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That rabbitears.info report was made today. The rabbitears site is run by forum member Trip, who has an EE degree and also works for the FCC. I doubt that you can find a more accurate report for that location. It should be more accurate than a TVFool report.
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d9038d0071378e1

Trip created the searchmap on rabbitears.info to generate signal reports when he saw that the TVFool reports were becoming less accurate and started the Repack thread on this forum:
https://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/81-over-air-ota-digital-television/226522-here-comes-uhf-chanmapnel-repack-ota.html
searchmap for reports
https://www.rabbitears.info/searchmap.php

I consider him to be THE Repack expert.

I have a weaker VHF channel 12 WICU and a weaker UHF channel 28 WJET I need to improve the signal on in the Erie, PA direction.....
As the report indicates by the "R" in the last column, WJET has reduced coverage because it has STA for a side- mounted antenna.
https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/dataentry/api/download/attachment/25076f916c250944016c48376db14cba

The terrain profile for WICU shows LOS:



The WICU coverage map shows you are outside the area of coverage:



but the signal looks fairly strong in your fringe area:



so Im looking for recommendations on a good affordable VHF antenna for this channel
I suggest the Stellar Labs 30-2475 Overall Length: 60.5"
https://www.newark.com/stellar-labs/30-2475/fringe-directional-antenna-vhf/dp/48Y8141
the 30-2476 has a little more gain, but Overall length: 82.7”
https://www.newark.com/stellar-labs/30-2476/deep-fringe-directional-antenna/dp/71Y5462
 

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Brantford & WFXP-66.2 / WFXP-66.3 (Erie)

From the time the stations went digital, and maybe even before, I used to receive in excellent quality, both WFXP-66.2 and WFXP-66.3 (Erie), without any problems. This was the case for at least 99.9% of the time. Even when the antenna was pointing north. But unfortunately, last August both of these channels became next to impossible to receive. Yet, ninety-nine percent of the time I presently receive in excellent quality, all of the WICU and WSEE channels (Erie).

Is there any chance that I'll once again start receiving both WFXP-66.2 and WFXP-66.3 in the same quality that I used to receive them?

Rabbit Ears - The antenna is actually 35 feet above ground.
https://www.rabbitears.info/searchmap.php?request=result&study_id=41708

Unable to provide recent TV Fool report.

Note: Both sites provide/provided pessimistic reception results for my setup.

Lately, I've been watching content from both channels, that were recorded on a couple of PVRs. It's hard to believe at this time, just how great the quality was before last August.

Brantford, up on the hill, north of the railway station.
 

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Fox 66

Channel 66 out of Erie has been mostly missing in action for me as well since their repack. I am up near the Gretzky centre and it has only been received under ideal conditions on occasion. WQLN is also missing.There is a couple of reasons for that. WQLN repack channel is RF27 which is a channel used by Global as a repeater. In addition if I recall correctly, the broadcast antenna has been reconfigured to point south into the US where as before it was more omni directional or at least had lobes which reached into Canada to allow us and the London area to receive it. I think you can kiss this one goodbye. The one I am worried about is WNED PBS out of Buffalo. We could loose that one in a couple of months when they move to RF31. RF31 is a repeater for CITY TV and they are refusing to vacant that frequency. It's pretty sad when two governments which have reached an international agreement cannot mandate a broadcaster to follow what is essentially a law. CITY should either move or shut down that tower.
 

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I used to receive in excellent quality, both WFXP-66.2 and WFXP-66.3 (Erie), without any problems. But unfortunately, last August both of these channels became next to impossible to receive. Yet, ninety-nine percent of the time I presently receive in excellent quality, all of the WICU and WSEE channels (Erie).

Is there any chance that I'll once again start receiving both WFXP-66.2 and WFXP-66.3 in the same quality that I used to receive them?

Rabbit Ears - The antenna is actually 35 feet above ground.
https://www.rabbitears.info/searchmap.php?request=result&study_id=41708
Hello, Clique Of One. Thank you for the signal report. That's an interesting question.

It doesn't look like you will be able to receive WFXP as well as you did before, because they made some changes to their antenna in 2019 for Repack. Their antenna is now side-mounted on the tower and has a very directional pattern making the signal extremely weak in your direction. WFXP is required to honor the non-interference agreement with Canada and also required to reduce interference to a local AM radio station (WRIE), according to FCC documents.
https://www.rabbitears.info/tvq.php?request=items&facid=19707

https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/dataentry/api/download/attachment/25076f916c4dc925016c66bd9c36282f



Also, the signals from Erie are blocked by the curvature of earth.



This shows the extremely directional antenna pattern. Less than 1.27 kW out of 930 kW is sent in your direction.



This shows the signal coverage; you are well beyond the fringe:



WICU is a VHF signal that makes it over terrain obstructions better than UHF signals, it has a non-directional antenna, and you are on a very small hot spot because you are on the hill with a tower.
https://www.rabbitears.info/tvq.php?request=items&facid=24970

WSEE also has a non-directional antenna.
https://www.rabbitears.info/tvq.php?request=items&facid=49711



 

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Is there any chance that I'll once again start receiving both WFXP-66.2 and WFXP-66.3 in the same quality that I used to receive them?

Rabbit Ears - The antenna is actually 35 feet above ground.
https://www.rabbitears.info/searchmap.php?request=result&study_id=41708


WFXP 66.2 is Grit. Can you receive Grit From WKBW Buffalo?
https://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?request=station_search&callsign=54176#station

WFXP 66.3 is Bounce TV. Can you receive Bounce TV from WNLO Buffalo?
https://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?request=station_search&callsign=71905#station

https://i.imgur.com/5tX6UpF.jpg
 

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WFXP's big problem isn't that there was some great change to the antenna pattern or mounting position (there wasn't), but rather that it will become co-channel with CJMT in Toronto station after Phase 10 of the repack.

I agree with rabbit73; watch that programming via the Buffalo stations if you can.

- Trip
 
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