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marvel, the customer live well north of Toronto. Looking up the distance to south Buffalo is a little over a 100 miles.

He is around Woodbine Ave and Aurora Side Road.

With his old setup the Yagi Uhf/Channel master preamp he was not able to pull in all the HD Buffalo stations properly. Nbc, Pbs, and Sun on one of his Sony tv was about 14-15db s/n, not enough for a stable lock. The Sony can lock at 16db stable.

After the swap Nbc and Pbs was btween 20-24db and Sun around 20-22db with other Buffalo channels improving oin signal strength.

The customer existing preamp was quite old not sure what channel master model it was. It was a 300 ohn connections. Rather use the balun as the 300ohm wires were showing age.

The amount of cable run I did not want to take a change of swapping the antenna and then change the preamp after. We did everything at once.

Results was excellent.
 

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The spartan preamp is good and if its working no need to change it.

I would definately run new 300ohm wires as they break down over time outdoor especially exposed to the sun.

Clean the contacts on the antenna if you are going to reuse your existing setup.

Definately as stampeder suggested ditch the RG59 cable for RG6. Stampeder the Yagi that I replaced was a uhf. ;)

Where the customer had RG59 I replaced it with RG6.

The customer was suprised the results was more than he was expecting. I knew there would be a big difference in signal strength on the digital channels and better analog reception too.

I had to rewire his in home distribution.
 

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Awesome thanks Yaamon and Stampeder. Yes my UHF yagi is about 12-15 yrs old we figure after reasearching. Maybe will leave my older amp it seems to be ok and I can pull in Buffalo' HD pretty good here. Would like to switch over my RG59 and maybe replace the 300 ohm wires at the top. Yaamon do you make house calls west of Toronto?
 

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hsplrguy, house call west yes, buyt not that far west. :D

The only time I pass by your area is when I'm going away for the weekend to Michigan like next week for shopping. ;)

Sorry won't have time to stop then. I'm sure you have good local installers that can do the job.
 

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Hmm, I always thought the yagi ones were better for pulling in far distant stations?

I'm 109 miles away from the Buffalo stations, and I'm still deciding on what antenna to get. Any suggestions?
 

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Not really, yagi when they were developed were a better antenna than what was available. They are a more directional antenna resulting in better gain.

Example take channel master 4248 Yagi it's only rated for 45miles same as the newer 4221 design. The 4248 is huge 80.5" in length.

The 4228 a 8 bay is rated from channel master at 60 miles. No other channel master master antenna is rated better on uhf compared to a 4228.
 

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Thanks Yaamon not a problem we did have a really good local installer but he's into big communication stuff and he never got back to me after he came out once. He gave lots of insite on ideas and we chatted for over an hour but I guess he is busy on the bigger towers. I know of a guy in Brantford who is also good so maybe have to get him down. He suggested to me go to 4228 as well and it will out do my old yagi in wonders he said its actually quite suprising as it suprised him in an install. Have fun on your trip I wouldn't want you to stop while leaving for a vacation anyhow.
 

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Hmm, I always thought the yagi ones were better for pulling in far distant stations?

I'm 109 miles away from the Buffalo stations, and I'm still deciding on what antenna to get. Any suggestions?
marvel,
Those are pics of my house. Although I was getting some Buffalo stuff with the Yagi (as listed above) I was missing quite a few and others were not stable. The Yagi is less forgiving than the 4228 as far as aiming (in my case). They way I looked at it, if someone is going to climb all the way the tower and hang out for awhile up there, might as well put a new 4228, pre-amp and cabling. The results were astonishing!
 

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awesome thanks for all the help everyone I am now convinced to go the 4228 and new RG6, I agree the yagi is not very forgiving its got to be almost dead on or nothing at all. hope we have given others good helpful info.
 

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North East of Killarney, ON

Hello ,

I am located about 15KM inland from Georgian Bay ( North East of Killarney ). With an old analog tv and old bent up UHF/VHF yagi, I can receive about 15 channels although most are not watchable.

Ordered a 4228 8 bow tie antenna and a 7778 amp to try with my new HDTV LCD this wekend.

This will be my first kick at the can for OTA HDTV. I'll post some results next week.

Any comments on OTA HDTV reception over water? Any tricks with going over long water? Should you aim above horizon or level?

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Tom
 

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Hi Tom, and welcome here!

Are you near French River off Hwy 69? Which way is your antenna pointing at present that gives you 15 or so analogue channels? Do Sudbury stations come in clearly? How about Barrie?

I cannot say for sure whether any digital stations will carry to your location, but I highly doubt it. If any do, they'd more than likely be from Michigan but that would be reeeeeeeally stretching it.

Large bodies of water can have odd effects on OTA, so if your antenna is pointed out over Georgian Bay then its possible there might be some adverse effects but I cannot say for sure whether you'll notice any.
 

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Stampeder,

Thanks for the reply.

I am on Hwy 637 which runs from Hwy 69 to Killarney ( 70Kms ) . 20KMs in off Hwy 69 and then another KM into the forest. The channels I get are a lot of repeat ones mostly from Barrie ( New VR etc ),Toronto ( Global and a few others) and Sudbury ( Global, MCTV, CBC TFO )if I turn the array around. The UHF channels are mostly just a lot of noise but you can see there are channels there, but not stong enough to ID. There seems to be a lot of them. It was summer when I last tried as I have been busy building the new cabin most of this year. Just now getting to down time to relax and play a bit. I am mostly interested in the UHF stations as the VHF ones are just run of the mill stations.
I'll have news on Monday provided my new gear shows up tommorow as expected.

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Tom
 

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Oh sorry, I fogot to explain the antenna!
I have an old yagi that I can manually turn to aim where I want. SE to get Barrie, Toronto etc, and NW to get Sudbury stations which are all watchable!
 

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Hello again,

Back from the cabin, with good and bad news. Using the 4228 and 7778 amp I could easily pick up CH 19 TVO, 25TFO and 41 CHCH but all these signals were from Sudbury. This , of course, was with the antenna pointed NNW. They are all very clear and make the antenna purchase worthwhile just to get Sat. Night at The Movies on TVO.
My television , as it turns out, is a poor choice fro DX'ing as it blacks out the screen if no strong signal is present. I also don't belive it has an ATSC tuner, only the NTSC type ( Rats!). Anyway, anyone have a brand and model number for a good set top atsc HD tuner? One that will not blank out the screen with faint signals.
I have an Advantest EMC Spectrum Analyzer good to 3GHZ and so I may just have a peek at the antenna output for any signals in the UHF range with the antenna pointed SSE ( Toronto)

I also intend to add a VHF antenna to pick up the many VHF channels available in the Killarney area. ( Sudbury, Barrie TO )

Thanks for your help.
Will post further results.
 

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I hope you can hook up the spectrum analyzer to the CM4228 and do a 360deg. sweep. :) It is good to know that you get the Sudbury analogues well but I'm sure you won't get any ATSC digital stations from Toronto and it is doubtful from Michigan either at this point in time.

Have a look in this forum for several threads on ATSC tuners on the market: http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=130

If you still want to get an ATSC tuner, the general consensus is that the Samsung DTB-H260F is the best ATSC STB on the market now ever since LG discontinued the LST-4200A for some very strange reason. You can read up on it and ask any questions about it in its own thread in that forum.
 

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Stampeder,
Thanks for the reply.
I may use the SA to check the antenna output from SSE to SSW to see if any signals present. Do you know what channel the most powerful station is from TO or Detroit is at? If I see any thing in that range, I'll get the ATSC tuner box even though it likely will not be useable. Just having fun and learning!

Likely will have a VHF antenna in a week or so also so I'll check on the Barrie stations I picked up last summer, which I'm sure are watchable.

I am at the cabin, at least weekly and so I'll post results later.


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Tom
 

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statestreet said:
Do you know what channel the most powerful station is from TO or Detroit is at?
Power, expressed as Effective Radiated Power, is only one part of the reception puzzle. Being so far away, those stations have to also get around all that geography including hills, valleys, bodies of water, trees, etc. so its not just simply a matter of the strongest transmitters getting through better than others.

Check out this site for Ontario and Michigan listings since there might be stations closer by with much less ERP that get through better:

http://www.user.dccnet.com/jonleblanc/Canada_TV_Stations/

As to your question about Detroit and Toronto stations: CFMT on Channel 47 is at 1.1 megawatts ERP, while in Detroit channels 20 and 50 are at 2.2 megawatts ERP.
 

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Yaamon thanks for the feedback. I'm trying to determine my best approach at updating my old tower setup. Don't want to spend money unnecessarily but really need to do something.

I had already picked up a 10ft section of tower for next to nothing so will have it added to the existing 30ft. I am situated in the shadow of a hill so I think higher will be better. The hill is directly in my line of sight to Toronto and is about 1km south of me and 130ft higher in elevation.
OTABound, I am in almost an identical situation (55km to CN Tower, 130km to Grand Island, practically on the same line of sight. I'm in New Tecumseth ON)

I would appreciate hearing your results, as I want to put up an antenna for HD reception.
 

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Which HD channels are available in the Barrie area?

I've gone through some of your threads but can't find if anyone has a specific listing of what HD channels are available in the Barrie area. Any help would be appreciated. I have an antenna I'm going to install and I'm curious as to what I could receive. Thanks
 

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Statestreet might have a better chance at hitting Alpena, Cheboygan or the Sault as opposed to Detroit. I can remember I used to get SSM radio stations for small periods of time coming up Highway 69 in the section close to the lake, late at night during the summer time when I traveled that road about 6 years ago.
 
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