We always crop the sides of live HD events for SD viewing.roger1818 said:Similarly when converting from 16:9 (either WS or HDTV) to 4:3 for live events, do you always take the middle portion of the picture...
We always crop the sides of live HD events for SD viewing.roger1818 said:Similarly when converting from 16:9 (either WS or HDTV) to 4:3 for live events, do you always take the middle portion of the picture...
Now that the majority of the TVs in the stores seem to be widescreen, wouldn't that frustrate everyone who has a widescreen set, but doesn't get an HD signal (and they seem to be the majority). They all seem to stretch the 4:3 picture to fill their 16:9 screen (which just pains me to death, everytime I see it). Wouldn't it make more sense to broadcast in 16:9 letterbox, and then people can just zoom in to get the whole picture?Marc said:We always crop the sides of live HD events for SD viewing.
Right now those TV are in the stores not the homes. Most sets in the homes are 4:3 and don't zoom.nfitz said:...Wouldn't it make more sense to broadcast in 16:9 letterbox, and then people can just zoom in to get the whole picture?
That happens when you crop something that was intended for widescreen presentation. CBC shoots live HD events with 4X3 cropping in mind. In the control room the 4:3 frame is marked on the HD production monitors so they can tell what will be in or out of the SD frame.Harl said:One thing I've noticed when widescreen is cropped for 4x3 is that closeups become huge and show only part of a face and 2-shots crop the people on either side of the screen...
Right. Just like in the 60s - most colour TVs were in the stores, not the homes. That's why nobody ever bothered with colour TV.Marc said:Right now those TV are in the stores not the homes. Most sets in the homes are 4:3 and don't zoom.
When you zoom, the picture is often unwatchable on a larger TV - not always, but often. (you've zoomed by 1.33 horizontally and 1.33 vertically, basically doubling the size, and any imperfections)nfitz said:Wouldn't it make more sense to broadcast in 16:9 letterbox, and then people can just zoom in to get the whole picture?
Or any other NBC show? (ER, West Wing, Office, Las Vegas, Crossing Jordan, SNL...)Did Conan lose any viewer numbers because it is letterboxed now even in SD?
You can fool some of the people some of the time...This will delay real HD.
lars, if you read post 773 of this thread you will see that the equipment used to make widescreen possible is actually on loan from HD projects. The hardware was purchased for HD. It's just being borrowed until the HD installations are ready for them.lars said:I wish the CBC would not spend the extra money for widescreen SD broadcasts, but rather put that money towards real HD...
Vanity Insanity is original Global programming and was produced in HD. I don't have Global HD (thank god), but I assume it was broadcast on there in HD.JesseJ said:When was Global's last original HD programming? Never?
I also disagree with this idea. The puck can be hard enough to see as it is on an old (small) TV (especially if you have a weak signal). If you squished the image to 16:9 letterbox, it would probably become a single pixel on the screen.nfitz said:Wouldn't it make more sense to broadcast in 16:9 letterbox, and then people can just zoom in to get the whole picture?
Cool link! Thanks. I did some looking around and the "Mobile D80 - Montreal" also has the same WS capable cameras and it seems to have more equipment in common with the Edmonton truck than the Winnipeg truck does. It also seems similar in size and layout to the Edmonton Truck. Would it be feasible for CBC to make this into a WS truck? I know WS isn't as good as true HDTV, but if they have the equipment, they might as well take full advantage of it.GeorgeMx said:The CBC web site (http://www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/mobile/images/pdf/edmontonD86.pdf) shows Edmonton has an SD digital truck with some widescreen 16:9 capability. If CBC put some WS SD cameras or HD cameras in SD widescreen mode into the truck they would be able to do WS production. This seems to be what Marc is referring to in other posts. The CBC Winnipeg truck (http://www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/mobile/images/pdf/winnipeg.pdf) appears to be widescreen capable as it has a complement of WS SD cameras but it doesn't appear to be a digital truck. You can do widescreen in NTSC but the results won't be as good because of the colour bandwidth limitations imposed by the NTSC signal.
I don't know, I read the CBC web site just like you. Hopefully, CBC will be able to do some winter sports productions like skiing, snowboarding and skating in HD. The major sports events generally occur on weekends and conflict with Saturday night hockey so we did not get anything but HD hockey from Toronto last winter. With two trucks they will have more flexibility and could send a truck west to do a few hockey games and other winter sports. On weekends when western HD hockey games are shown, the east game could be in SD and the second HD truck could do other programming. Hockey fans would still get an HD game each Saturday while other viewers (taxpayers) would get to see their sport in HD too. And remember that CBC French network, SRC, will also need HD production capability.roger1818 said:Also, when the new HDTV truck is finished, do you know where it will be based? Will it replace one of the existing trucks?
Marc said:the equipment used to make widescreen possible is actually on loan from HD projects. The hardware was purchased for HD. It's just being borrowed until the HD installations are ready for them.