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From that very thread:
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Sounds really encouraging as a future direction for the project.
I was originally going to say more about the philosophies espoused in that thread, but then just about every second word would have violated the terms of use here at dh.ca.

At this point, I'm seriously looking for MythTV alternatives.

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I'm not sure I follow your logic. What is in that thread that would cause you to not use MythTV? It was a thread about a theme that turned into a discussion about 'free' software and licensing. None of which was really talking about MythTV specifically.
 

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I was originally going to say more about the philosophies espoused in that thread, but then just about every second word would have violated the terms of use here at dh.ca.
Agreed, I was shaking my head as I read through that one. Very contradictory to work on an application like MythTV and then start pulling this nonsense. It should have been kept off the MythTV mailing lists.

That being said, I still plan on building my MythTV box over the holidays, I just won't be using that new theme when it comes out (it really didn't look that impressive anyway).
 

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For those curious (and with a lot of idle time on their hands), the full thread is here.

I think this is a tempest in a teacup. It is a THEME at issue. The theme-developer was using a font that is not freely available. He felt the theme wouldn't look right with another font substituted so he's employed a more-restrictive license. He has ALSO done at least 2 other themes that are available under a very wide-open license.

Some people need to untwist their undergarments.

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That "theme developer" is also the head MythTV Dev/Tyrant, so what he thinks and does matters 1000X more than anyone else there.

Back on topic.. I sync'd my test drive with latest Mythbuntu last night, and some things appear to work now.

The themes are still mostly unfit for humans (very poor WAF), but the 2-second pauses are gone.

The HVR-950Q works in analog, but no sound in LiveTV. There is sound from it in a "proper" recording, though, despite identical "Recording Profiles" for the two.

But enabling analog killed the digital side of the 950Q, so we'll just call that an unusable work in progress. It'll likely get resolved about the time that analog completely disappears from OTA here, in August 2011. :)

I stilll cannot find a way to stop a recording in progress, other than by killing the backend. The nice little menu we used to have in the media->recordings screen for that is AWOL.

Other stuff might work well enough to give this a try on real hardware soon, though. Maybe in a few weeks, after enough others scream about the low WAF and other wrinkles. ;)

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...nothing but troubble!

I'd like to add my recent experience. This was my first exposure to MythTV & MythBuntu, but I'm an experienced Ubuntu user.

I just build myself a dual core AMD X2 3Ghz HTPC with HVR-1600 tuner this past week.

So I figured... Ah! 9.10 is almost here and MythTV 0.22 has some config changes so I might as well use the "new" Mythbuntu 9.10 beta using 0.22 MythTV and avoid having to migrate to 0.22 later.

I can state that if you've never setup MythTV before, do NOT use 0.22, stick with tried & tested 0.21

In short, Nothing worked! Lol Well, almost nothing. My HDMI to TV did work, but thats it.
I couldn't get the remote to work at all, the new channel scan found no digital channels and the analog scan stays stuck at ch2, and doesn't move so found nothing there again. DVD playback was buggy, at best.

Not a great start when everything is new and you don't know if the problem is hardware or software. :confused:

So I installed XP, drivers & WinTV soft and everything worked. :mad:

I then wiped 9.10 and installed Mythbuntu 9.04 and almost everything worked right away, once I setup the card of course.
Remote works, Analog & digital scan worked. Recording & pause Live-TV worked.
The only thing I'm left working on is digital sound via HDMI to my TV. But I'm sure it's just some ALSA/Pulse Audio or Mixer problem that I will get fixed soon enough.

Oh, and xubuntu tools suck. I just want to mention that. ;)
It makes it hard to debug not having the usual ubuntu tools around. I know it's lightweight but, c'mon.

Anyway, I'm enjoying my new HTPC MythTV 0.21 setup.
I think I'll be sticking with 0.21 for a while. I don't think I'll have the patience any time soon to work on 0.22 again.

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@mlord: there are 3 ways that I can think of (and verify right now) to stop an in progress recording in 0.22. From the frontend, watch recordings screen, highlight the recording, bring up the recording menu (usually I for info) and the third option is 'Stop Recording'. Or, from the same place, instead press D (if you have it bound to a remote key, or on a keyboard) to delete, and it will stop recording. From MythWeb, go to Recorded Programs, find the recording and select 'Delete' in the right most column of the recording, and it will stop recording and delete the file.

@Daemons: Don't confuse a distribution package that installs MythTV for you with a hand built and installed MythTV setup. The pre-packaged versions try to do it all for you, and sometimes they don't get it right. If you do it yourself, from scratch, you can learn a lot. If you don't have the patience, by all means use whatever works for you, but I don't think it's fair to slam MythTV for that. Yes, it's complicated, yes, it takes time to understand it all and configure it correctly, I've been using it for 5 years and still find out things I didn't know, but it does everything I want, and it does it very well, and I wouldn't trade it for anything.

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Ah.. so it's now "I" instead of the more intuitive right-arrow from all previous versions? Well, at least I can fix that in the source code. Thanks for the pointer.

As for the rest, MythTV is Open-Source. That's its good point. The rest is simply "adequate" to "mediocre".

But, being Open-Source, at least a programmer (like me) can make it work somewhat better, given enough weeks of unpaid work on it.

So I've been using it for several years now, and *fixing* the worst breakages here in my own setup. And customizing the source to solve unrelated problems (multiple antennas) which cannot be done with any other (closed-source) software I know of.

So I still use it (0.21), but I never, ever, recommend it to friends any more.
Enemies, perhaps. But not friends.

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New users: stay with MythDora and/or Mythbuntu for now

Advice for new MythTV users:

Until MythDora and Mythbuntu release new versions based on MythTV 0.22 it is best to stay with their present versions (based on 0.21) unless you are experienced with rolling your own development software and know some or all of those ropes.

I'm not getting the sense that MythTV 0.22 has any real show-stopper features that would make it a desirable version for new users to try to wrestle with at this time. I'm positive that 0.22 will be worthwhile when wrapped in new MythDora and Mythbuntu releases as it will have been greatly debugged by then.
 

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I think the real killer features of 0.22 are (1) VDPAU, and (2) HDPVR support. Sure, there's other stuff, but those two are the really biggies.

However, VDPAU has also now been available as a solid/stable backport for 0.21 since winter 2009, and is not by itself a compelling reason to risk 0.22.

HDPVR support is also available as a backported patch, but didn't work well in that form when I tried it here for a friend. So that friend has been waiting for 0.22 to try again, though I am trying hard to push him towards SageTV as a better solution.

The current -RC of Mythbuntu will turn final later this week, but anyone considering it might want to let the dust settle for another month of updates after that. I would hope it might be usable by December.

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stampeder said:
Advice for new MythTV users:

Until MythDora and Mythbuntu release new versions based on MythTV 0.22 it is best to stay with their present versions (based on 0.21) unless you are experienced with rolling your own development software and know some or all of those ropes.
MythDora and Mythbuntu are really not relevant yet. Myth .22 is in Release Candidate stage. The Myth web site asks for people to help TEST the release, I believe (can't reach it right now). Bugs are being reported and fixed. When .22 goes final, then the MythDora and Mythbuntu distributions can do their thing. Obviously, new users should stay with .21-fixes until all that happens.

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The HVR-950Q works in analog, but no sound in LiveTV. There is sound from it in a "proper" recording, though, despite identical "Recording Profiles" for the two.

But enabling analog killed the digital side of the 950Q
I refreshed my test install again last night, and the latest Mythbuntu now has what appears to be a perfectly working HVR-950Q implementation.

Whoo-hoo! :)

It switches back and forth between analog/digital, and they both seem to work fine, in LiveTV and in Recordings.

Mmm.. 0.22 seems to be missing the unified channel-change patch that's been around for years now, though. Odd that. This is the patch that merges all channels from all tuners into a single CH+/CH- list for LiveTV.

I can always patch that in again, I suppose, while I'm in there fixing the menu navigation keys and such back to the 0.21 working state.

Things are starting to look a bit better overall now, I think. It still crashes (front/back ends) if I blow on it slightly, but that'll stabilize someday soon, most likely.

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Tried it on a different, yet basic, system last night. Continuous front-end crashes / blank screens. Harkens back to the Windows days, I think (cannot be sure, never having had Windows on any machine).

Still a work in progress. Hopefully within the next month or so it might work well enough to use.

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It's not used for anything useful on that screen, so it can easily still be reprogrammed (source code) to do the sensible thing again.

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I refreshed my test install again last night, and the latest Mythbuntu now has what appears to be a perfectly working HVR-950Q implementation.

Whoo-hoo! :)

It switches back and forth between analog/digital, and they both seem to work fine, in LiveTV and in Recordings.
Mmm.. not any more. I updated to latest again recently, and tried out the test disk today.

B0rked again. Analog works, digital tries and fails mysteriously.

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The current -RC of Mythbuntu will turn final later this week, but anyone considering it might want to let the dust settle for another month of updates after that. I would hope it might be usable by December.
I downloaded Mythbuntu 9.10 earlier this week, but haven't had a chance to install it yet. This will be my first time using MythTV. From this, are you saying that I would be better off sticking with Mythbuntu 9.04 for now? If so, where can I get it? It doesn't seem to be on the Mythbuntu site anymore.

Will be using it with a 2.8 GHz P4 with an ATI Radeon 9000 pro (a system I have kicking around) and an HVR-1600. Nothing fancy. Just want to get it to work to get the WAF.
 

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B0rked again. Analog works, digital tries and fails mysteriously.
I fired it up again today, same problem. But then I poked around in the playback settings and found that somehow it was trying to use NVidia VDPAU playback on my ATI Radeon x1400 card, but only for HD playback.

Fixed the configuration, and now digital is working again.

The frontend still managed to crash/disappear twice after that, but it is looking slightly more stable now. I expect things might improve further were I to build the myth binaries myself from svn -- something I normally do already for 0.21-fixes on the main MythTV PVR here.

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