JVC Entry-Level D-ILA Home Theater Projector - HD250
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Excellent. The performance of projectors keep going up as the price is going down. You will enjoy!
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Greetings
unofficially, this is just the rs 15 from this year carried over to the next year ... as a budget unit now.
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unofficially, this is just the rs 15 from this year carried over to the next year ... as a budget unit now.
regards
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good to know...unofficially 
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A minor point, but just to be clear, it seems that the HD250 is actually 2009's RS10/HD350 being put back into production, but with a matt black rather than glossy case, and even better, a MRSP of $2995USD vs $4995 not quite 2 years ago. 2010's RS15/HD550 had frame interpolation and a couple other more minor upgrades that this "throwback" 2010/11 model (the HD250) does not have. This comes from a JVC employee over on avsf.
Yeah, its true its just RS10 (or RS15 without frame interpolation) re-released but the price point is pretty amazing. I was going to hold out for an RS40 (releasing sometime in November) but decided not to wait for it and save a few bucks. I figure 3D technology will get better and I'll probably get the upgrade bug in 2-3 years from now.
I've only put on about 5 hours total on it and I'm pretty impressed. Black levels are great and while not as sharp as my DLP ... its still pretty sharp. I never knew that lens shift would be so useful (never having had it before). Also another plus is that the unit is so silent!
I've only put on about 5 hours total on it and I'm pretty impressed. Black levels are great and while not as sharp as my DLP ... its still pretty sharp. I never knew that lens shift would be so useful (never having had it before). Also another plus is that the unit is so silent!
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GusX, where did you get yours from? I'm juggling the idea of a new Epson 8700 vs this JVC unit.
Jagged edges with DVD plaback
I just saw a demo of the JVC HD250 in a professional installation. With Blu-Ray material it was absolutely stunning. However, I played a standard definition DVD and there were very obvious jagged edges on any images with diagonal lines, and with all text (credits). Playing the same DVD in the JVC HD1 (older model but with the same DILA technology) and the Panasonic AE4000 showed no such jaggies.
I was quite disappointed because the HD playback of the HD250 was so incredible. BTW, the Blu-Ray player was a high end player that was upconverting the DVD signal automatically so I don't think it was the Blu-Ray player. The salesman suggested that JVC may have optimized the HD 250 for HD playback, at the expense of SD playback. Has anyone who has the HD250 noticed the same issue with DVD playback? I still do watch quite a few standard definition DVD's so this would be a deal breaker for me. Thanks.
I just saw a demo of the JVC HD250 in a professional installation. With Blu-Ray material it was absolutely stunning. However, I played a standard definition DVD and there were very obvious jagged edges on any images with diagonal lines, and with all text (credits). Playing the same DVD in the JVC HD1 (older model but with the same DILA technology) and the Panasonic AE4000 showed no such jaggies.
I was quite disappointed because the HD playback of the HD250 was so incredible. BTW, the Blu-Ray player was a high end player that was upconverting the DVD signal automatically so I don't think it was the Blu-Ray player. The salesman suggested that JVC may have optimized the HD 250 for HD playback, at the expense of SD playback. Has anyone who has the HD250 noticed the same issue with DVD playback? I still do watch quite a few standard definition DVD's so this would be a deal breaker for me. Thanks.
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I would think this is an issue with whatever BD player you were using if it were doing the upconversion. Were you using the identical player for all these FPs? You can usually press an "info" or similar button on the FP to find the format of the incoming signal. BD players are almost always better at upconverting than the TV, as discussed in the following FAQ:
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=87543
Here are another couple of comments.
Were you pausing the DVD? If the DVD is paused, many players will show huge "stairstepping" and other artifacts, whereas the picture can look great with the DVD playing.
What was the make/model of the BD player in question, what connection was being used and what format was it sending? Some players are much better at upconverting than others. I do not believe this was the FP, unless you tell me that the identical player was used on all the tests, with HDMI and all of the FPs were professionally calibrated. What picture mode was/were the various FPs on? Were all the FPs fed from the same BD player? If for example you were using a different player for the other FPs, then that would explain the difference.
FPs often store different picture settings for different incoming formats (rather than different inputs) since most people use only one input. Therefore if an incoming signal is 1080P, the FP could be on one picture mode, while when the signal is say 720P or 480i, the FP could be on a different mode with different settings. This could affect the image if there's too much edge enhancement for example on one signal. This would not apply if indeed the player you were using was upconverting the DVD to the same output format as the BDs.
If you have a lot of SD DVDs and you want the best picture from them, consider something like the Oppo BD player. Well reviewed for upconversion. Some BD players do not upconvert as well as others and price is often no indication of upconversion quality.
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=87543
Here are another couple of comments.
Were you pausing the DVD? If the DVD is paused, many players will show huge "stairstepping" and other artifacts, whereas the picture can look great with the DVD playing.
What was the make/model of the BD player in question, what connection was being used and what format was it sending? Some players are much better at upconverting than others. I do not believe this was the FP, unless you tell me that the identical player was used on all the tests, with HDMI and all of the FPs were professionally calibrated. What picture mode was/were the various FPs on? Were all the FPs fed from the same BD player? If for example you were using a different player for the other FPs, then that would explain the difference.
FPs often store different picture settings for different incoming formats (rather than different inputs) since most people use only one input. Therefore if an incoming signal is 1080P, the FP could be on one picture mode, while when the signal is say 720P or 480i, the FP could be on a different mode with different settings. This could affect the image if there's too much edge enhancement for example on one signal. This would not apply if indeed the player you were using was upconverting the DVD to the same output format as the BDs.
If you have a lot of SD DVDs and you want the best picture from them, consider something like the Oppo BD player. Well reviewed for upconversion. Some BD players do not upconvert as well as others and price is often no indication of upconversion quality.
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Thanks for you reply. The different projectors were connected to different Blu-ray players at different stores, so I realize that it could just be a Blu-ray player issue. However, the salesman said that it was a high end player (I don't have the name or model), and that the stairstepping was simply due to the lower resolution DVD format and to be expected. But if that were the case then the stairstepping would be visible with the other projectors/players playing back the same DVD, which was clearly not the case. All the other projectors had no stairstepping at all when playing back the same DVD. The stairstepping is visible while the DVD was playing, not just when the image was paused. The players were all connected through HDMI.
I guess I could have him connect different players and different connections (component intead of HDMI) to see if the problem persisted.
Thanks for you reply. The different projectors were connected to different Blu-ray players at different stores, so I realize that it could just be a Blu-ray player issue. However, the salesman said that it was a high end player (I don't have the name or model), and that the stairstepping was simply due to the lower resolution DVD format and to be expected. But if that were the case then the stairstepping would be visible with the other projectors/players playing back the same DVD, which was clearly not the case. All the other projectors had no stairstepping at all when playing back the same DVD. The stairstepping is visible while the DVD was playing, not just when the image was paused. The players were all connected through HDMI.
I guess I could have him connect different players and different connections (component intead of HDMI) to see if the problem persisted.
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Thanks for the feedback. Garbage in, garbage out.
No idea what the following means - you can't go "through" a cable box with HDMI.
I would stay away from that dealer - he either is trying to lead you in a certain direction (a different FP?), or isn't telling you the truth.
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A good solution is to add a DVDO Edge to the signal path if your BD player is capable of outputting resolutions natively. I've seen some dealers selling these things at $499 now. Make it the "video brain" of the system and set your projector to 1:1 pixel mode. The second HDMI output from the Edge goes to an a/v receiver or preamp for audio. Feed all video sources natively through the Edge and you are laughing. I use the DVDO DUO in my house and on installations and have not looked back. (It's the next model up with colour management which is required on the HD250.) DVDO Edge
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