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I agree that iOS 6 benefits mostly iPhone 4S and the new iPad. Both get every new feature and the latter is especially lucky for getting Siri. Other devices may not be worth the upgrade. I had over 12,000 pictures in hundreds of albums on my new iPad, and after the upgrade the albums were all gone (the photos were still there, but unorganized). I had to resync, unchecking hundreds of check boxes in iTunes, and then copy all photos again. Stuff like this happens after every upgrade. It is annoying, no doubt, but nothing has really been lost by me yet, and soon you forget about it.
 

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I wish Apple would work on real life problems such as being able to print from an iPad to a network printer without 3rd party apps or having to buy a new printer and the ability to do a complete backup of data from my iPad.
A full backup of a completely filled up 64 Gigabyte device is an unrealistic proposition, even through cable. Especially when that content is just a copy of other content, which exists elsewhere - music, videos, photos. You cannot use the iPad for backup for those because you cannot transfer them back. So you already have the original data (backed up or not) elsewhere.
 

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I can backup a 3TB hard drive so I don't see how a backing up a 64GB ipad is "unrealistic." The first backup could take a while but incremental backups should only take seconds or a few minutes at most.

Especially when that content is just a copy of other content, which exists elsewhere - music, videos, photos
You're wrong. Much of my content (newspapers) do not exist elsewhere. My magazines are downloadable again, however, the time to do so is literally hours.

Finally, it would not be difficult to create a backup which allows you to back-up the data on an app by app basis. I'd much prefer useful functions like that than "greater facebook integration"
 

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I agree 100%, Hugh.

It seems even doing a restore on a device that has been backed up screws things up pretty badly at times. For instance, apps may re-appear on an iPhone, but outside folders and without any kind of organization.

Time to ditch iTunes as the only way to manage content on iOS devices. It's a pain. Apple need to start thinking outside the box (never thought I'd say that).

Why not an App for Mountain Lion where you can easily customize what you want backed up or synced with a nice, clean drag-and-drop interface.
 

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Why is that?
Because it happens almost every time you do a sync. The current "limited" backup is long enough, waiting at least an hour every time a backup is due will be unbearable. I know it all could be done better, but the way it is is the most foolproof. Apple still think that advanced backup features are over the head of most users, and they don't want to allow users to completely drop the backup process on synching, so this is the compromise.
 

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Arthur, you're not making any sense. This isn't rocket surgery.

The iPad can maintain a list of (flash) storage sectors which have changed. When your iPad is in the presence of some sort of NAS device (or cloud storage), it starts backing up the list of sectors that have changed.

If the iOS file system isn't sufficiently sophisticated enough, it can track the changes at the file level. This is what MS DOS 3.3 did with the archive flag on files. When the file is changed, the archive flag is raised, and when the backup software backs up said file, the flag is lowered.

Then, when your iOS device is on your home WiFi network (if your backup is on a NAS device), or when it's connected to the internet (if your backup is configured to use the cloud) it starts backing up the stuff that has changed and hasn't been backed up yet. If you're concerned about battery life, then there could easily be a option to only do backups when it's plugged in and charging.

When it loses WiFi connection, it stops backing up, but remembers how far along it made it. It doesn't need to disrupt the user, it doesn't even need to tell the user "hang on, I'm backing up here...". In fact, it doesn't need to be doing these things while the user is actually using the device.

The reason why I'm amazed by your position is that this is something that computers have been doing for decades now. It's the same pattern. Mac OS X does it, and there is no technical reason why iOS couldn't do it too.

You mention the 64GB of data as if that is some barrier, but Mac OS X devices typically have much more storage, and typically perform operations that would cause more file updates, not less. Yet this doesn't seem to prevent people from successfully using Time Machine.
 

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Same here, upgraded my iPhone and iPad last night and had no issues at all. Took about 25 minutes for download/upgrade/reboot. So far, so good. Upgraded via device itself, not iTunes.
 

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The reason why I'm amazed by your position is that this is something that computers have been doing for decades now. It's the same pattern. Mac OS X does it, and there is no technical reason why iOS couldn't do it too.
I can think of there possible explanations:

1.Things are dead simple, but not a single engineer at Apple knows how to do a simple backup of a small flash memory device. You should send Apple a link to this thread.
2. Things are much more complicated and there are countless other issues you have not considered in your "backup for dummies" crash course.
3. Apple actually know how to do it, they can do it, but hate their customers and don't do it.

If you have any other possible explanations, please feel free to share.
 

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4. It is really low on Apple's priority list. Facebook integration matters to them more.

I don't think Apple hates their customers; even though they've just released a maps application which could support that theory. :)
 

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Yeah, you might be right. It's pretty low on their priority list, just below Adobe Flash Player support.
I see now how the third theory is also possible. iOS 6 hurts Google, Google is not evil, therefore Apple is evil, so no wonder they hate their users. :)
 

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I'm not entirely clear what you're suggesting here Arthur. I don't think anyone here is suggesting that a single Apple engineer should be able to bang off a complete backup system on a rainy Saturday afternoon. It's not necessarily "easy" to implement, but it's something Hugh and Audacity, I presume, believe Apple should be spending significant resources on designing.

It's possible Apple just can't think of a way to do it well that works with their vision for iOS. If that's the case, I don't think they're trying hard enough. It's also possible that the resource cost for Apple can't be justified. But they have more resources than anyone in the world, so I can't buy that. If they don't have the manpower for something like that, then it's time to hire some more engineers.

If by being behind Flash, you're suggesting that Apple never intends to implement a backup system, then that's just silly. I'm sure Hugh and Audacity aren't the only people who would like to see something like that.
 

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FWIW, this stuff was being backed in the past but it appears that Apple removed the functionality.

I complained about it over two years ago in this thread iPad is taking forever to back-up and sync.Presumably because the back-ups were whole images (not incremental) and were taking too long.

My guess is that rather than fixing the problem, Apple just chose to eliminate the functionality
 

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Usage of Apple’s iOS 6 Hits Staggering Levels on First Day of Availability

However, new data from Chitika shows a massive adoption in just the first 24 hours that the software was available. The firm said that, within the first day, iOS 6 peaked at more than 15 percent of Web traffic to its mobile ad network, and has remained at that level.

That doesn’t mean that 15 percent of devices are using the new operating system, since presumably those upgrading on the first day are heavy users more likely to access the Web on a daily basis. Still, it’s a staggering achievement.

By comparison, Chitika notes that the latest version of Android — Jelly Bean — achieved just a 1.5 percent adoption in its first two months.
http://allthingsd.com/20120920/usage-of-apples-ios-6-hits-staggering-levels-on-first-day-of-availability/?mod=tweet
 

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I don't recall iTunes ever backing up the copied from PC to iDevices media files. I don't know why Hugh thinks so.
Backing up the whole thing, incrementally or in full, is the easiest thing in the world in terms of logic. A fifth grader (audacity too ;)) can write within a day a program to do it. Still, both of you are saying that the reason we don't have it yet is because Apple allegedly struggles to find the resources, possibly because of other priorities.
Silly me. :)
 

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no siri for my wifes iphone4.. Somehow i had thought she was gettin it.. Oh well. She reported and easy upgrade and has not reported any issues. She is very happy that she can now share pictures to facebook and other places from within the picture roll.
 

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I have to agree there is no excuse why iPhone 4 doesn't have Siri, turn-by-turn navigation, panorama and FaceTime over cellular. Obviously a not very subtle nudge for iPhone 4 owners to upgrade, but we from the only land of 3 year contracts have every reason to be very upset.
 

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I listen to podcasts on my way to work. After upgrading (?) I have found that podcasts have been banished from the Music app and are only in the podcast app. Seems harmless, right?

When I start my car and either use Bluetooth audio or my iPod direct connection it auto plays where you left off. Now it will load the music or load the first podcast it finds (alphabetical). I now have to navigate through to change to the correct podcast each time.

My Navigon GPS app now cannot pause the podcasts when it speaks so it talks over the podcast and I cannot use the iPod integration within the app.

Then there is maps... :-/

Terry


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