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Any cheap external QAM tuners available that you know of? (semi-smiley :) )
There are some available for PCs, but I wonder how long it is before Rogers encrypts the VoD channels - with more people getting TVs with built in digital tuners how long is it before Little Jimmy mistakenly stumbles across a very interesting VoD movie?
 

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My TV, a Sanyo HT30744, picks up the VOD channels as well. It also picks up a number of CTV, CBC and Global timeshift channels, the music channels, all of the barker channels, and a few others as well. It appears that these channels are being transmitted "in-the-clear" (known as ClearQAM) by Rogers. For a short time the CBC HD channel was also in the clear, but no longer. All other channels are encrypted.

I think that the VOD channels (88, 92, 93, etc.) are probably subdivided into neighborhoods, much like the high-speed internet system. Each neighborhood sees the same set of channels. It is curious that Rogers is not encrypting these channels, though.

It will be interesting to see what happens when the digital channel realignment occurs.
 

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I am on Shaw and I know that when my DCT did not have the guide software on it (for about 6 days) I was able to tune to the hidden channels in the 1000's where Shaw keeps all the VOD channels and I was watching other people's on demand programming and I had the same experience as Cutra so VOD is just streamed to a certain area I believe and your box just tunes to that channel, but if someone else in your area can tune to that same channel, they can get your program.

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The VOD stream would go out to every box on the node (a few blocks, some times whole towns in rural areas). If it is not encrypted any digital tuner will be able to pull it in though the person who ordered the movie would be the only one who gets to control the transport functions FF rewind etc.
 

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Mole said:
The VOD stream would go out to every box on the node (a few blocks, some times whole towns in rural areas). If it is not encrypted any digital tuner will be able to pull it in though the person who ordered the movie would be the only one who gets to control the transport functions FF rewind etc.
Why would this not be viewable to those of us with SA STBs? Is it because those channels are blocked out on STBs other than the one that is controlling it?
 

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Why would this not be viewable to those of us with SA STBs? Is it because those channels are blocked out on STBs other than the one that is controlling it?

I think it has to do with the set top MAC address but I would be lying if I said I knew for sure.
 

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Wayne said:
Why would this not be viewable to those of us with SA STBs? Is it because those channels are blocked out on STBs other than the one that is controlling it?
That would indeed be the reason. You can't tune a channel that isn't mapped in your set-top.
 

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Remember, I don't have a set top box.
It was real funny when my parents were over and we were watching Chronicles of Ridick. The person that initiated the movie decided to cancell it.
My tv then jumped to the next movie that was playing. It was Jerry Springer unleashed and undressed. It was soooo funny my mom thought it was regular tv programming with boobs and all showing. I quickly changed the channel.

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Cutra (or others with TVs that have TVs with built in digital tuners):

Can you see any of the HD channels without using your STB? In other words - does Rogers encrypt the HD channels - some of them (i.e. non-OTA channels), none of them or all of them?

If they do not encrypt some of the OTA HD channels then should you not be able to record these channels on a PC with one of the HD tuner cards that are able to tune QAM channels?
 

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Experimenting with this on PC with an FusionHDTV3 - no there are no HD channels free-to-air. There are a lot of time-shifting channels, barker channels, and sports channels.
 

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marvin23 said:
Experimenting with this on PC with an FusionHDTV3 - no there are no HD channels free-to-air. There are a lot of time-shifting channels, barker channels, and sports channels.
Too bad - I guess you will have to go OTA if you want to record HD channels on your PC until we get a box with an active firewire port.
 

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Even with firewire, your HTPC recording capability may be limited to certain channels/programmes, depending on implementation of the "flags". See the Digital Home FAQ on "Recording HD".
 

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Cutra said:
The person that initiated the movie decided to cancell it.
My tv then jumped to the next movie that was playing. It was Jerry Springer unleashed and undressed. It was soooo funny my mom thought it was regular tv programming with boobs and all showing. I quickly changed the channel.

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That must have been Soooooo funny! :p
 

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Pat Foran on CTV's Consumer Alert segment on the news reported that there were numerous consumers that were reporting that they were getting hundreds to thousands of dollars of porno based VOD movies on their bills that they obviously didn't subscribe to, etc

Rogers said pay up as it woudl have had to be ordered from your cable box in order to get services, etc and their excuse was that people thought they were free previewing the content (similar to a hotel) and thus getting multiple items on their bills repetitively and minutes apart.

I wonder if this VOD being unencrypted is a possible cause and legal issue - Rogers may be opening themselves up here! That is someone maybe able to intercept and order someone else's VOD programs, etc.
 

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This whole mess just points out that Rogers really needs to :

a) tighten up their setup

b) offer cablecards

And I think they will on both counts.
 

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Cutra, do you know your neighbour, or more importantly, is the house we're talking about located right next to yours?

I think there's a simpler explanation to this then what's been suggested so far. Hugh talked about the cable being spliced off.

I think we have a situation where 2 neighbours decided to "share" the cost of cable. The signal coming out of your neighbours' STB (or one of his STBs if has 2+) has been spliced, with one going to your house, the other one to his TV.
 

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lajohn27 said:
This whole mess just points out that Rogers really needs to :

a) tighten up their setup

b) offer cablecards

And I think they will on both counts.
I don't think they will do b) until the CableCard 2.0 spec is out. Don't forget that with CableCard 1.0 you cannot have VoD or PPV and Rogers is hoping on this for revenue from you so providing you with a CableCard will decrease the potential revenue that Rogers will get from you.

I hope I am wrong because as soon as Vista and the ATI OCUR are released I would love to get these running in an HTPC.
 

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There is no such thing as "free cable". Morally/legally, you should be paying for it.
Is it really illegal to watch cable if it happens to be coming into your house for free, through no act of your own? I highly doubt it.

Now, if you went out to the box and connected a few wires here and there, then that would be illegal. Or if you split the signal inside your home.

If Rogers is too lazy to go and shut off the cable feed, then it's their problem.
 

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If someone drops a wallet in your home do you advise that person or keep it? If the answer is the former, then the same answer applies to the cable signal, even though some people seem to think it's OK to do the latter.
 

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If someone sticks a free weekly newspaper through your mailbox, do you read it, or leave it unread? Most would read it, but some people think it's wrong and do the latter.
 
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