then yes the switch will work but remember, you need two lines into the switch but you can use 2 lines out instead of 4
its official name is DPP44 Switch, to avoid confusion
its official name is DPP44 Switch, to avoid confusion
Installation Questions - See Links in Post 1.
Edit by 57 - here's a link for the various LNBFs:
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/2346993-post1783.html
92XX series installation:
92XX/94XX Installation 101 - Canadian TV, Computing and Home Theatre Forums
Having read the topics of attaining satellite 82 after receiving satellite 91 the consensus seemed to be to find a strong signal on 91 then using your skew to find satellite 82. I have tried for five days between work (no luck). I have got 82 but lost 91 in the process. Anyway is there anyone who has been thru the same problems and how to attain Sat 91 and 82 at the same time. If so is it possible as a scenario to state something like yes we had Sat 91 then moved the Skew 14 degrees clockwise or something. I think this would be more informative than to just move your skew and hope you luck out.
Thanks,
EnC
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/2346993-post1783.html
92XX series installation:
92XX/94XX Installation 101 - Canadian TV, Computing and Home Theatre Forums
Having read the topics of attaining satellite 82 after receiving satellite 91 the consensus seemed to be to find a strong signal on 91 then using your skew to find satellite 82. I have tried for five days between work (no luck). I have got 82 but lost 91 in the process. Anyway is there anyone who has been thru the same problems and how to attain Sat 91 and 82 at the same time. If so is it possible as a scenario to state something like yes we had Sat 91 then moved the Skew 14 degrees clockwise or something. I think this would be more informative than to just move your skew and hope you luck out.
Thanks,
EnC
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by the way, is the super long cable run, is it one continuous cable, is it a 3 ghz rated coax, any splices in it? is it terminated with snap and seal weather proof connectors? those also will be a factor about it working or not but as others have suspected, it might very well be a voltage drop due to the long distance.
then yes the switch will work but remember, you need two lines into the switch but you can use 2 lines out instead of 4
its official name is DPP44 Switch, to avoid confusion
Thanks! I did order a DPP44 switch today. Not 💯 sure on the 3ghz cable rating? However, The current 250 foot RG6 cable and Quad LNB work for the 4100 SD receiver without any issues?
Thanks! I did order a DPP44 switch today. Not 💯 sure on the 3ghz cable rating? However, The current 250 foot RG6 cable and Quad LNB work for the 4100 SD receiver without any issues?
I do have 1 splice. What is the best way to check for voltage drop?by the way, is the super long cable run, is it one continuous cable, is it a 3 ghz rated coax, any splices in it? is it terminated with snap and seal weather proof connectors? those also will be a factor about it working or not but as others have suspected, it might very well be a voltage drop due to the long distance.
One possibility is older receivers and switches did not need to have 3ghz cable runs because they did not need the extra bandwidth for band stacking. DPP packs more frequencies on the same wire thus they need 3ghz cables so its also could possibly be one factor. It could still work with older spec cables, but it means the cable is not tested at those frequencies so it may have lower signal or voltage drops perhaps?Thanks! I did order a DPP44 switch today. Not 💯 sure on the 3ghz cable rating? However, The current 250 foot RG6 cable and Quad LNB work for the 4100 SD receiver without any issues?
Good explanation! I know that the buried RG6 cable was installed in 2008. That being said, do you think that because the SD receiver works with such a good signal that I need to worry about checking connections any further?One possibility is older receivers and switches did not need to have 3ghz cable runs because they did not need the extra bandwidth for band stacking. DPP packs more frequencies on the same wire thus they need 3ghz cables so its also could possibly be one factor. It could still work with older spec cables, but it means the cable is not tested at those frequencies so it may have lower signal or voltage drops perhaps?
If you haven't done it yet, I would go and unscrew every fitting and screw it back together. If there is any corrosion you will see it and the screw action will probably cut through it and fix any poor connection.
The RG6 only needs to be rated for 2.4GHz. 3GHz won't hurt and it might help. Other things such as copper core and shield instead of copper coated steel and aluminum helps with longer runs as well.
1761 is right about the cable stacking. Legacy equipment uses frequencies from about 1GHz to 1.6GHz. DPP pushes the top end to about 2.2GHz which is why 2.4GHz or higher RG6 is used. I assume the DPP44 and 4100 receiver used stacking since I think the 4100 is DPP compatible. If legacy LNBs were previously used then that could explain the loss of 82 on the long run with the DPP LNB and new receivers.
1761 is right about the cable stacking. Legacy equipment uses frequencies from about 1GHz to 1.6GHz. DPP pushes the top end to about 2.2GHz which is why 2.4GHz or higher RG6 is used. I assume the DPP44 and 4100 receiver used stacking since I think the 4100 is DPP compatible. If legacy LNBs were previously used then that could explain the loss of 82 on the long run with the DPP LNB and new receivers.
Great info Guys! I Appreciate it! The SD 4100 works great with the original Legacy LNB and the newly installed DPP Quad. When I received new HD receivers, I replaced the Legacy LNB first with a DPP Twin and then the DPP Quad in attempts to get the new HD receiver on the longer cable run working. As of now I am waiting for my DPP 44 switch to try with the DPP Quad….. In order to make the DPP 44 work, I will need to cut the RG6 from dish to receiver. Will adding this splice have any negative effects to the long RG6 run if the DPP switch doesn’t work and I need to splice it back together? Thanks again!The RG6 only needs to be rated for 2.4GHz. 3GHz won't hurt and it might help. Other things such as copper core and shield instead of copper coated steel and aluminum helps with longer runs as well.
1761 is right about the cable stacking. Legacy equipment uses frequencies from about 1GHz to 1.6GHz. DPP pushes the top end to about 2.2GHz which is why 2.4GHz or higher RG6 is used. I assume the DPP44 and 4100 receiver used stacking since I think the 4100 is DPP compatible. If legacy LNBs were previously used then that could explain the loss of 82 on the long run with the DPP LNB and new receivers.
Barrel connectors are rated at about a 0.5 dB loss, which is usually insignificant, and the potential of a DC voltage drop if the connections become oxidized. They also need to be rated at 2.4GHz or higher.
Would Legacy LNB’s with a SW 44 and power inserter offer a better solution than a DPP Quad with DPP 44 switch for the long cable run?Barrel connectors are rated at about a 0.5 dB loss, which is usually insignificant, and the potential of a DC voltage drop if the connections become oxidized. They also need to be rated at 2.4GHz or higher.
Don't know because there are so many variables. Just be aware that DPP and legacy components such as LNBs and switches cannot be mixed. Most newer receivers should work with legacy or DPP but some, like the 9500, may require DPP for technical reasons. Unless there are reasons why it cannot be done, installing a dish at the other location might be the best solution.
Thanks again. DPP switch 44 arrived today. I’ll give it a try and post results. Is the function of the power inserter to boost voltage to LNB or simply power the DPP switch 44?Don't know because there are so many variables. Just be aware that DPP and legacy components such as LNBs and switches cannot be mixed. Most newer receivers should work with legacy or DPP but some, like the 9500, may require DPP for technical reasons. Unless there are reasons why it cannot be done, installing a dish at the other location might be the best solution.
So I installed the new DPP 44 switch with power inserter and must have done something incorrectly as I lost signal to the receiver that was originally working and the receiver on the long cable run is still not working. I followed the instructions and made good connections at switch and power inserter. I ran a check switch and had neither the 91 or 82. Only thing I question is whether it matters which ports I use at the DPP QUAD LNB. I am currently using ports 1 and 2 at DPP QUAD LNB. Please see picture of switch. Note, Switch is currently by passed and back to running directly from LNB to receivers.It does both.
I was using the ports that are uncapped. TO DISH ports1 and 2 of switch ran to ports 1 and 2 of DPP QUAD LNB. To receiver port 2 of switch ran to receiver that was originally working (shorter cable run). To receiver satellite in port on power inserter ran to receiver on the the longer cable run. Hope this all makes sense?? . Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again!
Hi Guys,
When installing a DPP 44 switch using a DPP QUAD LNB, does it matter which 2 ports are used on the LNB? Currently can’t get it to work using ports 1 and 2? Thanks in advance.
When installing a DPP 44 switch using a DPP QUAD LNB, does it matter which 2 ports are used on the LNB? Currently can’t get it to work using ports 1 and 2? Thanks in advance.
Using the closest receiver, I would disconnect the receiver at the switch and perform a check switch with no connection. Then I would connect the receiver to the " to receiver" connection of the power inserter and then perform another check switch.
OK. Trying that now. So the DPP 44 Switch doesn’t care which if the 4 ports the DPP LNB are used?Using the closest receiver, I would disconnect the receiver at the switch and perform a check switch with no connection. Then I would connect the receiver to the " to receiver" connection of the power inserter and then perform another check switch.
Thanks again!
Hi.
I am at a lake where we have a permanent site.
I have a DPP Twin LNB (I think) and I just replaced a 6400 with a 9400.
This is a SHELL account, so I own all the equipment. The 9400 was given to us by a friend and it is on our account.
I hooked up a DPP Separator (bought off Amazon) up to the 9400. It asked me to contact to sync programming, so I did. It appeared to take. It doesn't seem to detect anything on Tuner Input 2. I tried a check switch but it would find Satellite Input 1, and not Input 2.
It also detects no transponders, except for the split second it's booted.
Help?
I am at a lake where we have a permanent site.
I have a DPP Twin LNB (I think) and I just replaced a 6400 with a 9400.
This is a SHELL account, so I own all the equipment. The 9400 was given to us by a friend and it is on our account.
I hooked up a DPP Separator (bought off Amazon) up to the 9400. It asked me to contact to sync programming, so I did. It appeared to take. It doesn't seem to detect anything on Tuner Input 2. I tried a check switch but it would find Satellite Input 1, and not Input 2.
It also detects no transponders, except for the split second it's booted.
Help?
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