I've got a 42 inch Panasonic Viera (Plasma), and to be truthfull, I haven't had a problem with any of the HD, they all look good to me. I'm using an HDMI port.
HD quality
Hey just wondering if anyone has herd something on if or when Fiber Op HD quality will be improved... i presently have both Aliant and rogers TV service but i have had to remove everything but basic service off Aliant and switch rogers to my main as compared to rogers HD especially on sports it is pretty bad... i mean i only have rogers for the few channels Aliant doesn't have plus you get Aliant TV dirt cheap in the bundle so i wanted to drop rogers and just get those shows off the net (Netflix ect.) but just can't justify it at the moment as on my 55" Phillips Aliant looks pretty bad... anyone got any info?
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It probably has a lot to do with the scalers in both MediaRoom and the TV. Also, I don't know if the channels being pushed are switched between 1080i or 720p but you are forced to choose one or the other on FibreOp so for my projector which is native 720p, I set the FibreOp box to output 720p. For the LCD in my bedroom which is native 1366 x 768 I tried both FibreOp box set to 720p and 1080i and I found 1080i to look better. The problem is there could be a ton of scaling going on. Examples:
1) CBSHD sends 1080i - FibreOp box pushes out 720p - TV scales to 1366X768 - scaled twice
2) FOXHD sends 720p - FibreOp box pushes out 1080i - TV scales to 1280X720 - scaled twice
So the ideal situation would be either of the two:
1) FOXHD sends 720p - FibreOp box pushes out 720p - TV scales to 1280X720
2) CBSHD sends 1080i - FibreOp box pushes out 1080i - TV scales to 1920X1080
So the quality of this HD in my opinion is poor overall but given the factors above either the FibreOp box scaler or TV scaler being poor could make things even worse.
I believe on other providers each station or network will send the signal out in either 1080i or 720p but I have no idea what happens with FibreOp if everything is converted to one or the other and then sent down the pipe or the FibreOp box scales the stations depending on how you've set it to push it out.
1) CBSHD sends 1080i - FibreOp box pushes out 720p - TV scales to 1366X768 - scaled twice
2) FOXHD sends 720p - FibreOp box pushes out 1080i - TV scales to 1280X720 - scaled twice
So the ideal situation would be either of the two:
1) FOXHD sends 720p - FibreOp box pushes out 720p - TV scales to 1280X720
2) CBSHD sends 1080i - FibreOp box pushes out 1080i - TV scales to 1920X1080
So the quality of this HD in my opinion is poor overall but given the factors above either the FibreOp box scaler or TV scaler being poor could make things even worse.
I believe on other providers each station or network will send the signal out in either 1080i or 720p but I have no idea what happens with FibreOp if everything is converted to one or the other and then sent down the pipe or the FibreOp box scales the stations depending on how you've set it to push it out.
When I first added HD to my package, I had to set it up, and the only option I had in my menu was for 1080i, no other option for 720p or anything.
JimmyFace Here are the FAQs on upconversion and native TV formats. BTV sends everything at 720P and I believe Bell Alliant does too (I believe they obtain the signals from BTV) but I'm not positive about that.
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=87543 On Upconversion
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=73528 Native Formats
I believe, however, that these format changes are relatively minor when compared to the proper optimization of the TV's inputs, covered in the following FAQ. This can also explain the difference some people see between Component Video and HDMI - you cannot really compare them unless both inputs have been properly optimized:
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=76161 Optimization
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=71112 HDMI
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=87543 On Upconversion
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=73528 Native Formats
I believe, however, that these format changes are relatively minor when compared to the proper optimization of the TV's inputs, covered in the following FAQ. This can also explain the difference some people see between Component Video and HDMI - you cannot really compare them unless both inputs have been properly optimized:
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=76161 Optimization
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=71112 HDMI
The FibreOp 2.0 Motorola boxes definitely have the option to switch between 1080i and 720p output.
LOL! well saidwell really comparing Samsung to Sanyo is like comparing a BMW to Kia lol.
not really the tech setup that one. i setup the one with HDMI myself and never got around to switching it to HDMI.is there a reason you don't have the HDMI hooked up to the larger TV? when you go over 46 inch you usually start to see a difference with HDMI the bigger you go (I have seen a major difference from Sharp, Panasonic & Samsung especially when using HDMI)
Have to add my voice to the poor quality of HD compared with Bell Sat HD. Picture is not only softer but the artefacts are much more pronounced and visible.
To put it in context, it's usually me who notices these things and my wife can't tell the difference. However, first thing she said was that the picture isn't as good after moving over. If Mrs A notices it, it must be poor.
To put it in context, it's usually me who notices these things and my wife can't tell the difference. However, first thing she said was that the picture isn't as good after moving over. If Mrs A notices it, it must be poor.
I just upgraded to fiberop internet service only..I declined on the HD TV bcz of the comments on this board...i will keep satellite until things improve
There are advantages of the Fibre Tv over Sat HD, but picture quality appears not to be one of them.
Hey guys not sure what you talking about when it comes to bad HD I have seen alot of HD on the fibre Op and they all look great. Mabye play around with some settings on the tv possibly?Mabye list the tv that is having the issue see if the same tv comes up multiple times . anything is possible..Also a note that all the streams are Mpeg 4 so in therory the picture quality should be better.
i donno i have seen fibre/rogers/bev all side by side and bev and rogers were the same but fibre was a clear differance (as in being worse)
defeater00....I have seen HD in Bluray and BEV satellite...have you compared the quality of fiber to any of these sources? Has anyone compared to Eastlink?
I have seen where someone had fibre Op installed and still had there eastlink installed after and they tested and said that the fibre op was much brighter and crisper...that was on Oasis HD so really not a lot of comparison but most of the people I am seeing are actually coming from Eastlink to Fibre OP and they seem to have no complaints not sure about Bev....I know with the The Aliant TV (Copper side) in the early days there were some issues with certain tv's I forget the make but it was either Sony or LG but it was just 1 or 2 particular models so it would be good to mabye get a list together of the people that are having issues to list the tv name and model number to see if there is a trend.
Problem is not tv's, either you've never seen good quality HD or you're watching only the decent channels such as hbo on demand game of thrones. If you watch pretty much any live HD especially sports you'll see it's quite bad.
After reading the comments on this thread, I'm not so sure that I want to move
to fibreop TV anymore. I have BEV satellite and I love the HD quality. Will aliant
HD eventually improve?
to fibreop TV anymore. I have BEV satellite and I love the HD quality. Will aliant
HD eventually improve?
I've seen enough comments on these forums that I'm going to wait. I think BEV quality is better also. I can only compare between different TV sets (my neighbors and my own) but I can see a difference. There are still a few features missing from mediaroom, I would like to see. The down side is it costs me more to keep BEV. I do think FibreOP TV will improve. I can't think of a reason the HD quality couldn't be better then any other system. The processing power of the STBs?After reading the comments on this thread, I'm not so sure that I want to move
to fibreop TV anymore. I have BEV satellite and I love the HD quality. Will aliant
HD eventually improve?
Yes Im sure single mode fiber has more bandwodth that satellite transponders...anyone care to comment?
All I have to add is this. I had starchoice HD, and I had Roger's HD. Now I have bell aliant HD and I see NO difference. And I have great eyesight.
Based on all the threads on this board BEV has the best HD Quality (haven't watched a TV with it thus far for comparisons), but I previously had Rogers HD and I can say there's not too much difference in quality moving to Aliant's IPTV.
Depends how nit picky you wanna be about the matter
To me they're about the same unless you're looking for issues.
Depends how nit picky you wanna be about the matter
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