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1) With respect to streaming your local music, is it a case of Google matching what is in their library? For example, I might have five different bootlegs of the same song (all tagged appropriately), not released through record labels. How does Google Music handle that?
If Google has that exact track it will match it. If it doesn't, it will upload your file and use the information on the file for naming and such.

Can someone confirm if you can cache radio stations for offline playback? I'm a bit confused on whether (or how) this works
As far as I can tell, you can only stream radio stations. They're infinitely long, in theory, so I don't know how you could cache them. You can create a playlist of both your own tracks and Google Music tracks and then cache that, but you'd have to know ahead of time what you want on there.
 

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Slacker Radio lets you cache for offline playback, and since I only have a 1GB data plan I'd want to to be careful. I guess I could just create my own playlists, but sometimes I like the randomness of Internet radio.

.... Then again, I could always just accept paying $10/GB extra and see just how much data Google Music uses in a month for me

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I've been messing around with Google Play Music for a few hours, and it's actually really good. I think I'm going to be dropping my $9.99 Rdio subscription in favor of this Play Music service.

Edit: the Sonos integration is fantastic.
I have Rdio and Sonos so am curious what the pros and cons of Google Play over Rdio is for Sonos users.

The one pro I can see for Google over Rdio is the lower price for early adopters. Are there any other pros for Google over Rdio?

On the downside, I don't think Google Play support for both android and iOS support like Rdio. I control Sonos with an iPad (but have an Android phone) so I love the fact that Rdio supports both.

I am also curious whether Google Play allow you to sync playlists to various portable devices (iOS and Android). Syncing is critical for us since streaming is useless on the subway and the highway.
 

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Looks like you can cache radio stations (well, obviously a portion of them). Once you've listened to a station, it should appear in the "My Stations" tab; complete with the option to Keep on Device.

 

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Play Music does work on iOS, and syncs playlists and libraries across platforms. I've never used rdio, so maybe it does this too, but one of the big strengths of Play Music is that it integrates your own collection of music with Google's streaming library, which allows you to augment the service and fill gaps in their offerings.
 

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I have Rdio and Sonos so am curious what the pros and cons of Google Play over Rdio is for Sonos users.
The Sonos integration with Google Play Music (GPM) is actually better than Rdio because you can control the streams from both the GPM app in addition to the Sonos app.

https://play.google.com/about/music/sonos/

I tested the "Direct play" feature that is listed in the above advert. I was concerned that it would be doing some sort of AirPlay configuration where your device would be constantly streaming the music over WiFi (thus lowering the battery life of your mobile device), but it doesn't. It's actually telling your Sonos Zone Player to go get the file you requested on its own - just like the Sonos app does.

I also like the GPM UI better than the Sonos app (even the new one currently in beta) for browsing music.

So, I'm switching because:

1. Fantastic Sonos integration
2. 20% lower monthly price
3. It also has a "cloud locker" where I can put my audiobooks and access them anywhere when I'm out and about.

The only con that I currently see is that GPM isn't as cross platform as Rdio. Specifically, it's unlikely that they'll ever support Windows Phone (since Google seems to be interested in "locking out" that platform from its services like YouTube), and Google is not interested in making native apps for desktop operating systems which would allow for features like local caching on those platforms.

I don't know how the two music libraries compare, but I was able to find the stuff I typically listen to on Rdio without much effort.
 

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Thanks guys for the feedback.

Play Music does work on iOS, and syncs playlists and libraries across platforms.
Confused. So does that mean I can create a playlist of songs NOT in my personal library and then sync to my phone for off-line listening?
 

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I am also curious whether Google Play allow you to sync playlists to various portable devices (iOS and Android). Syncing is critical for us since streaming is useless on the subway and the highway.
Your playlists are synced to all of your devices. On Android at least (I don't know about he iOS app), you can then pin (download) the songs for that playlist to your device for offline listening.
 

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That's just it. I didn't want to click on "Try All Access Now" to start a trial without knowing the terms first. Google already has my personal info and credit card number from previous Play Store purchases. Would I be signed up and locked into a term contract as soon as I click on the button? I didn't know and neither does anyone else from the info on that page.
I'm pretty sure that would be illegal.
 

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I know that Google is a reputable company and all that. Unfortunately, clicking on a button these days can amount to signing a contract. If the button had said 'Click for more info' or something similar I would have had no problem. 'Click to try our service' can amount to signing up for said service. Maybe I'm being too cautious but once scammed is enough.

I'm pretty sure that would be illegal.
Maybe here it is but where does Google operate? The European Union is not shy about protecting its citizens' rights from bad practices by international companies but I don't see Canada doing anything to protect its citizens.
 

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Sounds pretty good so signed up for 30 days and will decide then whether to keep Rdio or switch to Google Play.

I am now debating the whole "my Library" situation. I have 14,000 songs, most of which are lossless, taking up 176 GB of space.

So I'm wondering

What is the benefit of uploading your songs? At home, I don't need them in the cloud and for mobile, can't I just sync from Google Play (likely at a lower bitrate)

Does Google give you some sense of what songs in your library it needs to upload? I'm assuming it doesn't upload them all.

What bitrate are they in the cloud? What bitrate are they when they sync?
 

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I'm assuming it doesn't upload them all.
It uploads all of them. At least, it did for me. There is a client app that sits in your system tray, it watches a directory you specify and it'll upload all the stuff that is in there. It can take a long time for the initial upload.

I'm not sure what the bitrate is when they're streamed to your devices - I haven't tested this. I'm not even sure that they transcode the music before sending it back. They may just send back whatever you sent them.
 

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It uploads all of them
Did some research and that doesn't seem to jibe with what Google is saying. Bolding is mine.

Bring up to 20,000 songs from your computer to Google Play for free with Music Manager. It's a simple desktop application that scans your iTunes® library or any music folder on your computer and matches your collection with what’s on Google Play, instantly adding the matched tracks to your music library. If you have music that’s not available on Google Play, Music Manager will upload it too. Once you’ve added your collection, you can listen instantly on Android, your iPhone and the web
 

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Another Sonos related question. Curious if anyone has figured it out.

Suppose I create an Artist radio station that includes songs from my collection as well as from the Google Play service.

on Sonos, will it play the song from my local network (assuming I have it) and only play from the cloud if I don't.
 

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Well, I haven't uploaded anything to GPM for a long time now, but when the service first came (early or mid 2012) out I uploaded my entire collection, and the amount of data transferred was about the same size as my audio folder.

So, either it wasn't able to match my file against their files, or their matching ability is a recent addition.

And again, a lot of my files are actually audiobooks so I can understand that not matching anything.

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on Sonos, will it play the song from my local network (assuming I have it) and only play from the cloud if I don't.
I'd guess that once it's uploaded, GPM will always stream and then cache the file. The reason is that Sonos wouldn't necessarily have access to the folder that was synchronized with your GPM library. Even if you have the same folder in your Sonos Library, Sonos wouldn't know that the two files are actually the same thing.

The other unfortunate thing is that given that Sonos ZPs don't have much room for caching on them, I'm pretty sure that if you were to play a couple hours of music in a loop, it would always stream the songs every time you play them. If you did that on a smartphone, it would utilize a local cache to prevent the 2nd download of the song.
 

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What is the benefit of uploading your songs? At home, I don't need them in the cloud and for mobile, can't I just sync from Google Play (likely at a lower bitrate)

Does Google give you some sense of what songs in your library it needs to upload? I'm assuming it doesn't upload them all.

What bitrate are they in the cloud? What bitrate are they when they sync?
Uploading will allow you to augment their streaming catalogue with your own music. For example, as far as I can tell they do not have any AC/DC available, but I uploaded my own. I don't know the answer to the bitrate questions, or whether lossy/lossless will affect whether it uploads or matches, I'm afraid, other than that the music manager app on PC does support lossless files.

You can also download anything you upload, which makes for a nice emergency backup solution.

Well, I haven't uploaded anything to GPM for a long time now, but when the service first came (early or mid 2012) out I uploaded my entire collection, and the amount of data transferred was about the same size as my audio folder.

So, either it wasn't able to match my file against their files, or their matching ability is a recent addition.
Matching came with the European launch. How it works seems to be shrouded in mystery to a certain extent.
 

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Ok I am interested in this. I downloaded the "play music" app from mac app store to my ipad?. All I see is my library selections??? I see nowhere on the app for any other use

Where in the world is the store and music I can listen to?

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Do you see 'Explore' in the App? On Android that is where you can buy in app and you can also buy from the Play store, so I guess on Mac you can go to the browser version of the Play store and buy music..............don't know for sure as I don't use Mac or iOS.
 

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Actually problem is solved thank you. I guess i had to sign up for all acess before it shows up on the app.
 

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Is there any way to disable all live songs from the radio? I keep getting live concert songs the vast majority of the time.
 
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