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Rogers quality vs Bell

Maybe got my question answered. Just switched from Rogers to Bell Fibe and thought the Bell picture quality was inferior, colours seemed washed out, whites muted. Just now read that Bell sends signal at 720 and Rogers at 1050 resulting in a sharper picture on Rogers
 

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My understanding is that Rogers passes whatever the broadcasters send, so 1080i for 1080i and 720P for 720P, but Bell converts everything to 720P. I've had both Rogers and Bell and don't come to the same conclusions that you do regarding picture quality.

There are advantages and disadvantage of the two resolutions. See FAQ here.
 

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Had gigabit fibe installed this past week and notice the same quality issues as op. The unusual thing is I'm coming from bell satellite and the picture was noticeably better on that.
 

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I have had Bell satellite for a long time and the picture has always been great. I don't think ill ever change. Now if they will only get home pvr...
 

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In your opinion. In my opinion, having optimized many home theatres with Bell or Rogers, the difference is not significant and if anything the picture is "crisper" on Rogers, with a softer picture on Bell Fibe. As I mentioned earlier, some people like the Fibe picture. I've also optimized systems for many people who have switched from Rogers to Bell and although they may prefer the Bell user experience, they miss the excellent picture they had with Rogers, because, frankly, 720P is not as good as 1080i, especially for the channels that broadcast in 1080i. The extra conversion caused by Bell to 720P for 1080i channels can in no way be healthy for picture quality.

Which is better? A 1080i picture converted by a TV to 1080P (a very easy upconversion), or a 1080i picture down-converted by Bell to 720P, then up-converted by your STB or TV to 1080P (a "more difficult" conversion). I say the answer is clear.
I'd just to ask a question related to this interesting topic. I am considering switching from Cogeco cable to Bell Fibe. I have a 1080p TV (50" Pioneer Kuro PDP 1080p version). Picture quality is very important to me so I am following thread with great interest. My question: is it correct to conclude that, whether you are dealing with 720p Bell Fibe or 1080i Cogeco/Rogers, your 1080p TV will upconvert either one to 1080p so, in the end, you're watching a 1080p picture (albeit an "artificial" 1080p, if I can put it that way)? I apologize in advance if I have got it all wrong but I am just looking for clarification so that I can make a more informed choice as to whether I should switch from cable to Fibe.
 

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S and P said:
....is it correct to conclude that, whether you are dealing with 720p Bell Fibe or 1080i Cogeco/Rogers, your 1080p TV will upconvert either one to 1080p
Yes, that's correct.
 

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...I am just looking for clarification so that I can make a more informed choice as to whether I should switch from cable to Fibe.
Your 1080P TV will also "upconvert" a 480i signal to 1080P, but I don't see how this matters in deciding between Cable & Fibe, especially after you read my post and quoted it in your post. A 4K TV will upconvert any incoming signal to 4K, but again, this doesn't really matter a hoot when comparing providers.

Typically there are other factors that should go into the decision on which provider - like whether you like the equipment, whether you get the bundle you want (most people have more than just TV service), whether you get the channels you want, at which price, etc.
 

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TSN HD soccer feed this weekend terrible quality 4k fibe TV....is it a 480p fee

I'm watching the Arsenal soccer match this morning and the feed quality is awful and pixelated.....probably more like a 480p feed. Can someone check to see if they are having the same issues.
 

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@jphccfc : You may wish to try turning the sharpness setting on your TV down somewhat (or a lot) and it may help with the halos, stair-stepping, macroblocking, etc.

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/30-57s-home-theatre-faqs/76161-faq-what-you-need-do-your-new-hdtv.html

Is the original programming available in HD? Many of the programmes we get from Europe are SD (576i) or similar... I've seen a lot of this on (the little) soccer (I've seen) or other TV from Europe that's not HD to begin with... Other people would have more insight than I, since I don't watch soccer myself.
 

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@jphccfc : You may wish to try turning the sharpness setting on your TV down somewhat (or a lot) and it may help with the halos, stair-stepping, macroblocking, etc.

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/30-57s-home-theatre-faqs/76161-faq-what-you-need-do-your-new-hdtv.html

Is the original programming available in HD? Many of the programmes we get from Europe are SD (576i) or similar... I've seen a lot of this on (the little) soccer (I've seen) or other TV from Europe that's not HD to begin with... Other people would have more insight than I, since I don't watch soccer myself.
I was actually watching it on the HD channel
 

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This thread is consistent with my feeling that the hardware is light years ahead of the available source material.

When 4K television came out, I remember scratching my head that the source material that I watched still hadn't caught up to 1080p hardware. Everything was transmitted as 720p, except for a few on-demand 1080p movies, and even some of those were suspect.

I could go into Best Buy and watch 4K in all its glory, fed by a proper 4K loop, and sure, it's fantastic. But that not the reality. The reality is poor consumers with nice 4K TV's watching 720p compressed sources, at best.

What happened to 1080p? Why were the sources never upgraded to offer everything we watch in 1080p, so we could take advantage of our nice 1080p TV's? It never happened.

I can load a 1080p Blu-Ray disc into my player at home and it produces jaw dropping clarity on my 1080p television. A lot better than any compressed 720p source fed to a new 4K television.

All this new 4K hardware is basically a money maker for manufacturers. It does little to nothing for the consumer in my opinion.

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Bell Fibe

Yes I agree Bell Fibe has poor picture quality compared to a Blue-Ray or Netflix.They need to step up to compete.I wish they had just stepped up all channels 1080p instead of just offering a sports feed in 4K.Is it time to drop SD duplication ?? The STB can handle conversion down for an analog TV.
 

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What happened to 1080p?
1080i is very easily deinterlaced to 1080P for 1080P TVs, or 4K for 4K TVs.

1080P requires a lot more bandwidth than 1080i (for OTA and "broadcast"), for very little improvement in PQ. Yes, BDs and 1080P from OTT has better PQ, but often because there's more bandwidth in the material "broadcast/sent to the TV".

Now, when Bell takes 1080i and downconverts it to 720P, then the user has the box set at something other than 720P, then the TV may upconvert again, that's not good.
 

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So why is the source material sent out of less quality/bandwidth then Netflix.A 5MPS feed from Netflix is far better then a Bell Fibe channel showing the same movie.Even some OTA channels are better then Bell fibe.
 

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So if they can't even transmit proper 1080p to my 1080p television, why would anyone need a 4K television?

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A 5MPS feed from Netflix is far better then a Bell Fibe channel showing the same movie.Even some OTA channels are better then Bell fibe.
The compression type of the various streams varies, so it's not simply a matter of comparing bitrates. Of course OTA is better than Fibe, the bitrate is significantly higher and there's no conversion of the signal. You'll find though that some of the Netflix/YouTube material is higher than 5Mbps, with some 4K material approaching 100 Mbps.
 

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...why would anyone need a 4K television?
In many cases in the larger sizes, that's all that's available now. "Need" of course is relative, perhaps more to do with advertizing and "want", than "need".

I can tell you though, that my 4K TV has superior picture quality to my 1080P plasma from 8-10 years ago. I wasn't expecting it to be significantly better, but it is. I have absolutely no macroblocking or stairstepping or halos after I properly optimized my TV. The writing on CP24, for example (which is 1080i input to my Rogers PVR), I can stand a foot away from my 75" screen and see no artifacts whatsoever. Rogers does send the signals through to my box without downcoverting.

When I was performing optimizations for 10 years, almost everyone who switched to Fibe from Rogers Ontario could see the poorer picture quality. However, many people were willing to put up with it for the "superior" IPG/features/interface, etc. Each provider has advantages and disadvantages.

Of course, with a 4K TV you can stream 4K which is fantastic, as well as tune into the select few 4K channels.
 
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