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DO NOT go stand alone. You have very basic internet which you can not access. So with no internet access the following crap happens. 1. You can not use your FibeTV app to change channels etc. (you can look at the guide and set up recordings). 2. Zero apps work including Netflix. (crave TV works in the fibe tv channel listings).
 

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It is worth going standalone if your other internet provider cost will be less expensive than the trade off you will get by losing your discounts with Bell ($15 off PVR rental and maybe some bundling discounts). In my case, the internet provider I’m with in Toronto (Beanfield) charges $50/month for 250Mbps or $75 for 500Mbps. Equivalent Bell Internet is $110/month for 300Mbps, which is more than double the price of the $50 package.

If you go standalone you will still be able to use the FibeTV mobile app to look at the guide and set up recordings, but not to change channels with the app, which is a negative, but not too big a deal. You can watch Crave TV through VOD, as well as all the other VOD like TMN fine. You will have to watch Netflix through something else though, but most devices seem to have Netflix on it already. Minor trade-offs.
 

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Question?

Does it matter what type of "line" that goes into your home?

If it's not fiober then, the max you can get is limited to what your "phone lione"line can carry. So if it limited to certtain speed then even going to another provider may not be cheaper?
 

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Sure it does, you would need FTTH to get 250 Mbps speeds and Beanfield is available only in some condos, so getting this price and speed for most people would be impossible.

Other option could be cable where you can get 100 Mbps or even higher using copper line.
But is it really worth it. To me even if I went with third party provider like Carrytel where it would cost me $40 for 100 Mbps unlimited internet, I would still end up paying about $40 more by losing my Fibe TV discounts and $15 discount for the PVR rental.

Overall if someone needs more speed then it is worth it I guess, for me 25 Mbps of stable and reliable service is more than enough so I prefer saving my money and having more options using my Fibe tv box over having higher speeds.
 

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I had the TV only package installed today. Kept my 50Mb VDSL with Start Internet. The Bell engineer spun up an additional line for the TV and everything works fine in parallel. You get an error when trying to access Netflix from the Fibe TV service as there is no internet set up/accessible. Otherwise everything else seems to work well.
 

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Well, today I have tried to get zero rated Internet and Bell would not let me. I had spent at least one hour on the phone talking to different people and was told that it is not possible. I had decided to cancel all my services with Bell and unintentionally became a cord cutter.
I do not understand how Bell would offer this service to some customers but not to others.
 

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I have a feeling that the amount of money there getting from you even if it not that much for internet,they still want that money.

Don't be surprised if get a phone call in the next few days from bell giving 'perks" perhaps even no internet to keep you.

I tend to find in most case with both Bell and Rogers(not sure with other providers)that after you actually cancel they call you back and give you "perks" to stay.
 

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It may be that since Bell launched ALt Tv they may not offer zero rated Internet so Bell Fibe will not have significant advantage over Alt Tv.
Regardless of that I am not interested in Bell's Internet no matter what deal they may offer.
All I want is Bell Fibe starter package with few of my favourite channels.

I would not have to call Bell for any discounts any more as starter package can not go up without CRTC approval.
If not, I can survive without Tv for now as I have pretty good OTA setup.

Later I may consider Shaw Direct once new receivers come out this summer. In my opinion Shaw Direct has the best pick and pay option in Canada.
 

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I have a feeling that the amount of money there getting from you even if it not that much for internet,they still want that money.

Don't be surprised if get a phone call in the next few days from bell giving 'perks" perhaps even no internet to keep you.

I tend to find in most case with both Bell and Rogers(not sure with other providers)that after you actually cancel they call you back and give you "perks" to stay.
You were right MCIBUS, Bell had called me back and offered me Fibe Tv Starter Package at $21.95 with no internet and it sounded good since that is all that I wanted. Unfortunately when I received email confirmation it all changed. The price was $24.95 plus $15 for PVR rental.
I had to call them back and cancel again.
I am very happy with my new internet service provider that is 4 times faster than Bell and $10 less expensive than discounted Bell service.
My family has not watched much tv lately so hopefully OTA and couple streaming services will be enough.
 

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Can anyone that subscribed to the new "Fibe TV without internet" after March 26 answer the following questions?
1. Do all the features of Fibe TV work, especially those that require data? eg. Galaxie, VOD search
2. Can you access CraveTV or Netflix through your STB? (if you subscribe to the services)
3. Were you told what happens if you try to access the internet through your Bell connection?
4. Were you told
(a) it wouldn't work at all or
(b) that you would be billed if you used it?
If (a), have you tried it?

Note: I'm especially interested to answer those questions for the new system. Things may have been configured differently under the old system where you had to go through retentions.
hi there

I have the standalone fibe tv and also have a bell business internet line on a separate account. the issue is none of the apps work, you can only see VOD. did you find a workaround to leverage another ISP to make everything work..would love to know
 

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@adamat I was just curious how things would work. I don't live in Bell Fibe territory so I can't test things (although MTS's TV system is almost identical.)

I haven't seen anyone post a way to get around the requirement that the apps require Bell internet on the same account as Fibe TV.
 

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I can confirm that Crave TV works fine on the standalone package. Basically Crave TV is just be accessed like all on-demand programming - which also works. Netflix doesn't work cos that does require internet.

The only issue I have had is with Bell's engineers not knowing that people can have the option to go standalone. I have had either my internet (with Start) or my TV service unplugged by a Bell engineer working in my condo at least 3 times in the past 6 months. Clearly some weird assignment issue going on. Apart from that, the standalone package seems fine. Can use the Bell TV mobile apps etc when away from home and access recorded content (which now comes from a cloud service).

Ultimately, I see Alt TV offering PVR capability. At which point there seems to be no point to this package or even a home PVR. Could just get an Apple TV, or maybe by then it will work with Android TV...
 

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I know this is an old thread, but wondering if this is still valid. I called into Bell recently and spent a looooong time discussing with various people and was finally told, in order to get Fibe TV, I would also need to pay for Bell Internet.

I moved a few months ago. The fastest Bell speed Internet was 50Mbs. I have Rogers right now, Gigabit, although it's never really more than 500. But, it's reliable and fast and supports a family of streamers and I work from home. But, their Ignite TV is horrible. I used Bell Fibe TV with 100Mbs service at the previous house and the Internet had issues at times, but the TV was great. I like the app better. I like that I can record from the app. That it has Alt TV and I can use Apple TV to watch shows. Great.

So, I inquired about just having Bell Fibe TV standalone and Rogers Internet. After a long talk, they said it was not available. I would have to pay for Internet. The price of the TV/Internet that matched my Rogers setup was about $40 cheaper than Rogers, but Internet was way slower. I keep the Internet and Bell TV, the Bell TV package is way more, because I have to include a $60 Internet fee. If I could go standalone, after reading this thread (and knowing how it worked at the old house) they would need to install a Bell line into the house. They would put the Home 3000 Hub on that. That would run the TV. If I had Apple TV with the Bell app, that would need to go through the Bell line, but considering Netflix is on there, if it was standalone, I couldn't run that anyway. I find that in this day in age, to have these problems seem so laughable. These 2 companies trying to hold on for dear life. Can I just have my hockey and golf on an IPTV app please, with HBO, Netflix and Crave, with a great interface, recording and 4K? Why is that so hard???
 

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OldTivoUser:

I currently have Alt-TV, which does require you have an unlimited Bell Internet connection, but includes considerable discounts, and a great choice of channel options at reasonable price. We don't need the speed. I used to be on Rogers at one of their lower end speeds, so at the 50 down/10 up unlimited, we are very comfortable with our service, and my own skills in network design and layout, I had already engineered a well designed cabling/wifi configuration, so when I switched to Bell, I already had a great configuration in place, Sure, we lost things like recordings, and the bells and whistles on the boxes, but we use Fire Stick and Chromecast that they included with the Alt premium. Discounts may wash out over time, but we will deal with that if time comes.

In my own enquiries, I was informed that yes, you can have Bell Fibe TV as a stand alone without their Internet, you just will not see any discounts for bundling (7.00 is the rate stated on line), and 16.00 per month for a year on the tv, plus there is a discount on the Internet (don't know the value). This will push your price for TV standalone up and your cost per box will be 20.00 per month rather than the 5.00 on a Internet TV package. The discounted price on the box it states that you have to have a three year contract in place.

Why it works is that Bell is using a virtual network for TV, and a dedicated stream for your Internet, in effect meaning that it is running on two different feeds from the Bell back ends, via one connection to your home. That is also why you can't use the Internet based services, like Netflix as with the Bell TV only, their virtual stream of data is feeding only to your box and you couldn't run their apps in your home either, as their is no Bell Internet service in place. You get TV and that is it. If you logged onto the Rogers Internet, you would get the limited number of stations due to licensing, because it would detect no Bell Internet feed.

So, yes you can get Bell Fibe TV standalone, at least as I see it on their web site, and in discussions I had with them, but it is not going to come cheap. Note also you cannot do a Starter package and get discounts for bundling either.

They are in the business of encouraging as much services and income as possible, and if like we are that you want less expensive TV, we went Alt TV, decided against the additional cost of the full Fibe box model, and we weren't looking at a lower speed on Internet that was really of any relevance to us. In our case, the Internet has been more stable with the well laid out network configuration of switches and extenders, and direct cable connections and doing manual scans and setting channels and choice and balancing not automatically with band steering (same SSID for 2.4 and 5.0 bands) and choosing channel manually with least congestion and adjusting power levels on extenders, and on the modem.

For those who don't have this knowledge and experience, you can get it by searching the Internet, or paying a network technician from a local company that specializes in residential networking. I have a local company that I know the staff, and I just go in and talk and pick their brains, and have paid for some support over the years.

So, bottom line, yes you can use fire stick, you can even use firestick outside of your home with the Bell Fibe app that is what supports full casting to Chromecast (be sure you chose the approved equipment that is shown on the Internet), but less channels due to licensing outside the home, than when you are on their Internet. And yes you can get Bell Fibe, without their Internet and keep Rogers in place, just going to see no discounting.

What I learned from talking to them is that they don't talk about the reality that you can do this, and some staff may not even be aware you can do it. And on their web site, they are presenting the dicounted price upfront, and you dig the fine print to find out what it costs for stand alone.

So can be done, but the costs may not be something you wish to take on. And yes it is true, the Netflix available on the box could not be accessed via the box, or any Internet app included on the box, so you lose that built in feature.

Lots of thinking of the options these days as to what you wish to pay and how you want to receive your services and the different models in front of us.
 

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I did read BS's post above, but my situation is a little different, so I thought I'd ask. I've got the Bell bundle (fibe tv with PVR, internet and home phone). Happy with the service, just not happy with the price. We only have home phone because it was cheaper to get it just to get the other discounts. My price should go down significantly if I get rid of Bell internet and home phone. Obviously I'd need to get internet somewhere else and my TV service would go up in price, but only by $7 as I wouldn't have the bundle any more. (Not to mention that soon that discount is going down to $3.50) so the increase would only be $3.50/month.

My question is: will my TV experience be any different? Right now we have the PVR and a Firestick for the 2nd TV. We can watch anything live or recorded from the PVR box; with the firestick anything live but recordings no older than 60 days. At our cottage where we have internet (but not from Bell as it isn't available) if memory serves me, we can watch live content on Canadian channels (only...no American channels) as well as <60 day recorded content (even if it was American content).

Would my experience with an internet provider other than Bell at home be like what I get at the cottage? Only Canadian channels for live TV? American content only if I recorded it first...no live American content? And what about my recorded content? I'd only ever be able to watch content <60 days old? Are these assumptions correct or would my Fibe TV experience at home be just like it is now with Bell internet? What would change?
 

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Most likely to watch tv in other rooms you will need to rent Bell's fibe wireless receivers. I don't think you can use firestick because it will be connecting to your other internet provider.
 

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This topic has been discussed on the forum previously so the information may be found by using a search.

My understanding is that most LAN based functions at the home IP address will work. Some functions, such as watching live TV on other devices or away from home, will be restricted for certain channels and services. Some BDUs have information on what will work and what will not on their web sites. Don't know if Bell does.
 

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I had Bell before switching to Rogers (service was great but they doubled my price after my first year was up), you get the American cable channels (ie. A&E, CNN, TLC, etc.) but no network channels (ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox). Easy way to see what you would get is to go on your computer from outside of your home network and see what channels you get. There are also a few Canadian cable channels they don't have rebroadcast rights for online but I can't remember the exact ones. You'll get the vast majority of your channels though.
 
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