I'm confused. With respect to outside, don't they run the new fiber the same route as the old copper runs?
Fibe, Questions..
Im thinking of ditching bell tv after 5 years. Love the service, prices are good but sick of satellite tv losing signal in bad storms. The new Fibe tv service is available in my area.I currently have the fibe25 internet. Ive read that its a max of 4 set top box's. My question is i have 5 tvs. I want to change to fibe tv and i obviously want to watch my 5 tv's so i need 5 set tops. The most set top box's that will ever be on at once is 4 ( 3 sd and 1 hd). Now is it possible to get a 5 box install in this case? the 5 tvs will NEVER all be used at once. Unfortunately this is a deal breaker for me.. I need the 5 tvs or ill have to either settle for bell tv or make the swap back to robbers. I'd call be all ask but i already know ill call 5 times n get 5 different answers so i always come here first 
Thanks in advanced folks.
Thanks in advanced folks.
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Yes elyk ... that's what I had expected too, but what I tried to explain in my previous reply was that the initial installer said he "couldn't" and that's why I cancelled the initial upgrade attempt. For what it's worth, the following detail is likely irrelevant to most people doing an upgrade from FTTN to FTTH, but it explains why they "couldn't" do it in my case and why I ended up cancelling.
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I recognize my house is not a typical house for BELL to deal with. I'm in a very old area of Etobicoke, in a "century" aged house on an unusually deep lot (for Etobicoke). The installer's "explanations" for why he couldn't just use the same route as the old COPPER line (and after he had also talked to his "manager" about the situation) was
a) he didn't bring a long enough length of FIBER, to follow the same route as the COPPER wire
b) the current line depends on 2 poles from the street. The 1st pole comes down to about 1/3 of the way to the back of my property (and is also used to service my neighbour's house). My line continues from this pole and then diagonally across my neighour's back yard to a 2nd pole at the extreme back corner of her lot (and presumably services a whole bunch of old BELL and ROGERS services in the neighbourhood) ... one of which is mine and so runs back across my neighbour's backyard a 2nd time and finally comes in the back of my house.
His 2nd "explanation" for why he couldn't follow the same route was that BELL can't give me the FIBER service the same way, in simple terms was just that BELL couldn't make my FIBER service dependent on them needing access to another person's property.
I recognize that my lot configuration is not something that BELL would likely find more "commonly" in the City of Toronto (e.g. in a more recently built subdivision; with a more standard depth lot; a new condo building etc. etc.)
That's why I'm expecting / hoping that the 2nd installer that's coming next Wed will give me a "2nd opinion" and agree that he can run the BELL FIBER using the same path that the BELL COPPER uses today.
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I recognize my house is not a typical house for BELL to deal with. I'm in a very old area of Etobicoke, in a "century" aged house on an unusually deep lot (for Etobicoke). The installer's "explanations" for why he couldn't just use the same route as the old COPPER line (and after he had also talked to his "manager" about the situation) was
a) he didn't bring a long enough length of FIBER, to follow the same route as the COPPER wire
b) the current line depends on 2 poles from the street. The 1st pole comes down to about 1/3 of the way to the back of my property (and is also used to service my neighbour's house). My line continues from this pole and then diagonally across my neighour's back yard to a 2nd pole at the extreme back corner of her lot (and presumably services a whole bunch of old BELL and ROGERS services in the neighbourhood) ... one of which is mine and so runs back across my neighbour's backyard a 2nd time and finally comes in the back of my house.
His 2nd "explanation" for why he couldn't follow the same route was that BELL can't give me the FIBER service the same way, in simple terms was just that BELL couldn't make my FIBER service dependent on them needing access to another person's property.
I recognize that my lot configuration is not something that BELL would likely find more "commonly" in the City of Toronto (e.g. in a more recently built subdivision; with a more standard depth lot; a new condo building etc. etc.)
That's why I'm expecting / hoping that the 2nd installer that's coming next Wed will give me a "2nd opinion" and agree that he can run the BELL FIBER using the same path that the BELL COPPER uses today.
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Good luck - hope they bring a bigger reel of fibre-optic cable!
That's not easy to picture. I don't understand why they cannot service your house from the first pole and avoid crossing the neighbor's property twice.
Hi all.
I would like to confirm/clarify a couple of things. I am currently on Bell satellite TV and Rogers cable (long story as to how I ended up in that place). I am in the process of doing rolling renos and in particular, upgrading/installing new cabling throughout the house. I just realized I should check on a typical Bell Fibe TV installation in case that impacts what I am doing, if I ever decide to move off of satellite.
Right now I have two Cat 6 and one RG6 going to the back of the house, at the current demarcation for Rogers and my Bell phone, from a central electronics cabinet which is being provisioned. Also I'm provisioning an RG6 (min one, sometimes two) and minimum of a couple of Cat 6 to various locations throughout the house (for phone, internet, whole home audio) from this central cabinet. So my questions based on what I have read so far (it would be nice if there was clean Fibe installation diagram somewhere, haven't found one yet):
- where would Bell typically bring any new Fibe line to? I would guess the current phone demarcation point but I'm not sure. I have no idea what level of fiber is in my neighbourhood although I suspect it is good, at least to the big brown box across the street from me. I in fact have a similar problem to the recent previous post in that my phone cable comes from a central pole in the back of my neighbour's yard, as does several other houses around me.
- if it does end up at this demarcation point, I assume that Fibe would use one of the Cat6 cables I have already provisioned, and not the RG6. I ask because I was planning on using that RG6 cable for centralizing my Rogers cable connection to the cabinet.
- from there, I assume that the Bell Fibe modem would be installed in the cabinet?
- from the modem, while I'm learning that wireless is a reasonable option, I would prefer the receivers to be wired, and that this can be done albeit I'd need to ensure enough Cat6 lines to the various TV locations?
Thanks in advance for the help!
RW
I would like to confirm/clarify a couple of things. I am currently on Bell satellite TV and Rogers cable (long story as to how I ended up in that place). I am in the process of doing rolling renos and in particular, upgrading/installing new cabling throughout the house. I just realized I should check on a typical Bell Fibe TV installation in case that impacts what I am doing, if I ever decide to move off of satellite.
Right now I have two Cat 6 and one RG6 going to the back of the house, at the current demarcation for Rogers and my Bell phone, from a central electronics cabinet which is being provisioned. Also I'm provisioning an RG6 (min one, sometimes two) and minimum of a couple of Cat 6 to various locations throughout the house (for phone, internet, whole home audio) from this central cabinet. So my questions based on what I have read so far (it would be nice if there was clean Fibe installation diagram somewhere, haven't found one yet):
- where would Bell typically bring any new Fibe line to? I would guess the current phone demarcation point but I'm not sure. I have no idea what level of fiber is in my neighbourhood although I suspect it is good, at least to the big brown box across the street from me. I in fact have a similar problem to the recent previous post in that my phone cable comes from a central pole in the back of my neighbour's yard, as does several other houses around me.
- if it does end up at this demarcation point, I assume that Fibe would use one of the Cat6 cables I have already provisioned, and not the RG6. I ask because I was planning on using that RG6 cable for centralizing my Rogers cable connection to the cabinet.
- from there, I assume that the Bell Fibe modem would be installed in the cabinet?
- from the modem, while I'm learning that wireless is a reasonable option, I would prefer the receivers to be wired, and that this can be done albeit I'd need to ensure enough Cat6 lines to the various TV locations?
Thanks in advance for the help!
RW
I'm pretty sure that Bell doesn't even offer wired set top boxes anymore. (except the main PVR box is wired)
All the satellite receivers will be wireless.
All the satellite receivers will be wireless.
Thank you DR - I said that because the Bell website says that "TV receivers can be installed wirelessly or using a cable (Ethernet or coaxial)." But as I said I am looking to confirm as much as I can. I would prefer wired if possible.
What should I do to get ready for my Fibe TV installation : Bell Fibe TV wiring
RW
What should I do to get ready for my Fibe TV installation : Bell Fibe TV wiring
RW
Regular receivers are wireless and that is probably the only option. 4K PVR is wireless as well but can be connected with Ethernet cable.
The old STBs supported Ethernet or coax. The new ones support Ethernet or wireless.
If you are planning new wiring for Fibe TV, you should use Cat6 to each TV location.
I heard a while ago that there was a glitch with the wireless STBs where they would only work with a wireless connection. I don't know if that has been resolved and you can connect an Ethernet cable.
I think Bell normally uses an Ethernet connection for the PVR and wireless for the STBs.
If you are planning new wiring for Fibe TV, you should use Cat6 to each TV location.
I heard a while ago that there was a glitch with the wireless STBs where they would only work with a wireless connection. I don't know if that has been resolved and you can connect an Ethernet cable.
I think Bell normally uses an Ethernet connection for the PVR and wireless for the STBs.
New PVRs are also connected wirelessly and there is no need for Ethernet onnection unless someone insists on it.
I have everything wireless including 4K PVR and so far no problems at all.
I have everything wireless including 4K PVR and so far no problems at all.
Though not that knowledgeable in this area, but isn't connected to Ethernet a lot faster then being connected wireless?
No doubt it is faster but all you need for each receiver is probably something around 3Mbps and maybe double that for 4K.
It is not like downloading something where the higher speed the faster download. If the receiver needs only 3Mbps then having 500Mbps available speed by Ethernet makes no difference.
It is not like downloading something where the higher speed the faster download. If the receiver needs only 3Mbps then having 500Mbps available speed by Ethernet makes no difference.
The HD boxes would require around 8 megs, and the 4K could require over 60 megs (4K content and 6 recordings at one time). If you have the ability to wire the PVR then that would be your best option. Wireless is great... when it works.
I have the ability to have my 4K PVR wired but it works great wirelessly and there is less clutter.
My experience if it could help anyone
I upgraded my HH2000 to a 3000 and switched to the 4k PVR. The hub now is in the garage where the FTTH cable comes in the house. Wireless on the HH3000 is not good. I setup an wifi access point for that.
The receivers were installed with the existing cat5 wires on the old receivers. My network has a couple of gigabyte switches installed. The new receivers didn't like have extra switches on the line.
The installer set up the VAP2500 wireless transmitter and all seemed fine. 2 days latter one farthest one from the transmitter was losing its signal. I ended up passing new wires myself and everything is working fine wired.
I'm only running a 1080P 60" TV for my main TV, but I find the picture quality of the 4k PVR to be soft. (not much better than SD Channels). I switched the PVR to a smaller TV and use the regular HD receiver on the 60" TV. All is good now.
I upgraded my HH2000 to a 3000 and switched to the 4k PVR. The hub now is in the garage where the FTTH cable comes in the house. Wireless on the HH3000 is not good. I setup an wifi access point for that.
The receivers were installed with the existing cat5 wires on the old receivers. My network has a couple of gigabyte switches installed. The new receivers didn't like have extra switches on the line.
The installer set up the VAP2500 wireless transmitter and all seemed fine. 2 days latter one farthest one from the transmitter was losing its signal. I ended up passing new wires myself and everything is working fine wired.
I'm only running a 1080P 60" TV for my main TV, but I find the picture quality of the 4k PVR to be soft. (not much better than SD Channels). I switched the PVR to a smaller TV and use the regular HD receiver on the 60" TV. All is good now.
Bell Fibe VIP2502 Drive Multiple TVs using HDMI and Component Out
Hi There,
I am Thinking of switching from Rogers to Bell Fibe but I currently have a great installation with Rogers whereby I pay for two receivers, and drive a third TV off one of them using both the HDMI and component out. The third TV is connected via a 100ft heavy duty HDMI cable and luckily, the Rogers Remote Control does NOT require line of sight.
If switching to Fibe, I would need to drive my third TV off the VIP2502 secondary wireless receiver. So, my question remains, can I drive two TVs from this receiver using the Component out and HDMI outputs at the back? They do not need to be running at the same time. Also, would the included remote control work beyond line of sight?
If this doesn't work, I could possibly change my setup to drive the third TV from the 4K whole home PVR if anyone could shed some light on driving two TVs from that receiver as well.
Much appreciated!
Hi There,
I am Thinking of switching from Rogers to Bell Fibe but I currently have a great installation with Rogers whereby I pay for two receivers, and drive a third TV off one of them using both the HDMI and component out. The third TV is connected via a 100ft heavy duty HDMI cable and luckily, the Rogers Remote Control does NOT require line of sight.
If switching to Fibe, I would need to drive my third TV off the VIP2502 secondary wireless receiver. So, my question remains, can I drive two TVs from this receiver using the Component out and HDMI outputs at the back? They do not need to be running at the same time. Also, would the included remote control work beyond line of sight?
If this doesn't work, I could possibly change my setup to drive the third TV from the 4K whole home PVR if anyone could shed some light on driving two TVs from that receiver as well.
Much appreciated!
The 4KPVR has a Bluetooth remote so if the other TV is a room or two away it should be fine. There is a breakaway cable for the PVR that gives component (and rca) cables so you would be fine for that setup.
There is another option to control the STB without moving the PVR. You can use the FibreOP Remote app (or the new Bell TV app) to pair to the STB and change the channel from anywhere in your house
There is another option to control the STB without moving the PVR. You can use the FibreOP Remote app (or the new Bell TV app) to pair to the STB and change the channel from anywhere in your house
If you want to send one tv signal to multiple TV's, you are better off to go with High Definition analogue Component cables, they can typically send up to 1080i to multiple tv's with no difficulty, but using hdmi and splitting it up will definately can cause some trouble and compatibility issues, as well as using both component and hdmi outputs at the same time can also cause some compatibility issues and its not recommended
I apologize for not reading the whole thread and ask this question.
I have 2 tv's, one is smart, and the other is not. I am now with Rogers, with 2 pvr's and 2 cables coming into the house on 2 different floors. My current modem is split with one tv cable. I am considering Fibe TV, internet and home phone. According to Bell's web page, Fibe TV comes with a whole house pvr. My questions
1) how will Fibre cable be installed (it can reach my house), and come into my basement (where currently I have one cable). I want the pvr here and also the modem as all my entertainment equipment is set up here.
2) My second tv is on the 2nd floor. Do I need another HD PVR? and how does the fibe signal get to this TV or HD PVR without running a any cable or wire?
TIA.
I have 2 tv's, one is smart, and the other is not. I am now with Rogers, with 2 pvr's and 2 cables coming into the house on 2 different floors. My current modem is split with one tv cable. I am considering Fibe TV, internet and home phone. According to Bell's web page, Fibe TV comes with a whole house pvr. My questions
1) how will Fibre cable be installed (it can reach my house), and come into my basement (where currently I have one cable). I want the pvr here and also the modem as all my entertainment equipment is set up here.
2) My second tv is on the 2nd floor. Do I need another HD PVR? and how does the fibe signal get to this TV or HD PVR without running a any cable or wire?
TIA.
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