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Hmmm... but I'd have to get the VIP + Movies for what I have now, and plus the average I mentioned of $160-170 includes my phone bill (as in calls) too!
 

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If you are comparing apples to apples, you'd get more from Rogers. But packaging and configuration are different so it depends on your priorities.

My only point was, as this is a Bell forum, that at $170/mth you have a lot of scope to get great value at Rogers. Dollar for dollar: you can probably get more phone service, more TV, more Internet, more bundle savings -- for the same price. But the features may not "have value" for you: double Internet speed; phone features & LD; extra TV channels and On Demand; free HD; a PVR with 2 tuners (record two things; record one thing, watch live TV on another channel); TMN with TMN On Demand and MPix On Demand ... and so on.

If Bell meets your needs at that price range ... congrats and enjoy.
 

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Spoke to BEV CSR today, the guy said that they've been testing the HD over VDSL service but had problems they couldn't overcome so as far as he knows the service will not be offered as promised. However he said that Bell will be rolling out HD over IPTV "sometime this fall", didn't know any more details. Also mentioned that some condo buildings are being converted to communal dishes as a quick workaround for those who don't mind paying and can't wait much longer for HD.

I told him that I was running out of reasons for not switching to Rogers, he offered me 50% off my BEV service (programming only) for three months and said that's the best they can do, so I said what the hell, if I can say $100 over three months (~$30 per month) why not.

Anybody has any more info about this supposed Bell IPTV service?
 

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we've upgraded a few MDU building here to HDTV and especially nimiq 2 for ethnic TV. It can be done with existing equipment, however, it does limit the amount of units that would recieve it due to antiquated distribution
mrhooie, I live in a MDU and was told to remove my dish off my balcony and use the dish on the roof but im told it doesnt support HD and would cost 10 000 to upgrade the building. What I dont understand is on my building theres 2 dishes pointed slightly in 2 different directions, 91 and 82?? And in the same complex but diff building, they have a 20" dish with dual LNB and again im told that building isint HD ready. Where they pulling my leg? Cause i cancled my bev sub cause theres no way i was going back to SD and using some stupid 2700. So i moved to shaw HD.
 

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I've been with EVs VDSL of condos for years. One of the first pilot bldgs in Toronto.
I was promised HD very soon when I signed up.
Well still waiting. The IPTV by fall that Igor01 mentioned has once again come and gone. Probably the fourth time I have heard HD is around the corner.
Just purchased an HDTV and picking up a couple of HD channels with an indoor antenna(no balcony).
Interestingly I just received a mailout from Rogers that directly attacked VDSL, pointing out that they could offer me HD, PVR, etc. We have both options in our bldg. It was addressed to Resident in my unit. I am guessing they sent it to all units that they didn't have as subscribers. Gets more and more tempting. After reading Igor's post, maybe I will give them a call and see if they are still offering the 3 month price break. And if still no sign of HD - IPTV or otherwise, maybe I break down and go back to Rogers. In all other respects I am quite pleased with the VDSL service, particularly the three channels out of one box.
 

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I've finally had enough and dumped ExpressVu for condos. Was able to get a great deal on Rogers digital cable, with 40% for a year (family and friends deal) and a free HD PVR for 2 years. I'm getting a better service with way more features like HD and PVR for a lot less.

If you are going to dump ExpressVu, make sure to insist that they A. change the network card on your line and B. come and check the filters in your suite (not the DSL filters on phone lines, the Bell filters on your main phone line). Because they did neither A nor B when they transferred me back from VDSL to DSL, I had no internet connection for over a week and then was on a 1.3 Mbit/s profile for two more weeks before a tech actually came to investigate and found that I had old VDSL filter on my line which didn't allow me to get the full 7 Mbit/s speed.
 

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vdsl will never get pvr or hd, it was killed off when iptv was set to launch however theres been setbacks and now bell has been forced to move to mdu to keep with the hd/pvr demand in many buildings... marina del rey for instance as has been mentioned already

if you're in a condo that doesnt allow dishes the only way you can get hd/pvr it is to see if your building is wired for MDU... i wish i had access to a list of which buildings they are but i only know a couple but also that theres dozens more

currently bell is installing more MDU into buildings... a post earlier had said they were but thats not true

and the post above mine stating that if you switch from vdsl to normal dsl is completely true... technicians wont go into closets or your home to disconnect any filters, only to the basement to remove the vdsl equipment off the line... so make sure when they disconnect that you request 100% that a technician comes to see you(and that you're home <- very important) otherwise you'll be in the same boat

also if you're a vdsl customer or you want to know if your building is wired for MDU make sure you're calling the right number... 1-866-635-8375. the biggest mistake most people make is calling 310-surf or 310-bell... india doesnt know what vdsl is
 

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another HD-starved BEV customer

I am taking in all of thie VDSL talk. I am in a similar position. Nice new Aquos set but no HD. Not even a digital signal, as I do not have my set plugged into the Bell VDSL box, just via coaxial (pre-wired in my new unit). Mono sound, too. (Actually, would it improve my picture and sound if I plugged my set directly into my BEV box with high-end wiring? Or does LCD just need the whole deal, as in HD?) So, as you can see, this is an outstanding product! :confused: However, I like the one-box-for-all-sets feature, as well as the Galaxy audio music channels. Rogers' music offering seems much smaller, and I'd have to buy/rent two receiver boxes. I am not sure I want to go through the hassle of lobbying to have a Bell dish put up on the roof.
 

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bell has been telling me hdtv for my condo is almost ready. can't tell me an exact date but watch out for the announcement. that's the story i was told since 2005!

i finally dropped them this yr.
 

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pulled plug on VDSL

I did it, quit BEV for Condos. STILL they cannot say when HD will EVER be added. For some reason I have decidde to keep Sympatico internet, so I have taken full note of the technical issues mentioned in previous posts (the snags involved with changing Bell VDSL service to basic phone and internet, no TV). I can see why the Bell technician needs to deal with the card in te telecom room in the building's basement. However, surely the in-suite VDSL filter is easy to identify and remove oneself? I have received the Sympatico high-speed modem/router box that will replace the BEV all-in-one box. I have set upa Bell router before, no sweat. But can I set it up and use it for internet and at the same time still use the BEV box for TV till my Rogers cable in staller comes next week?
 

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If you're asking if can use an ADSL internet modem and a VDSL TV STB on the same line, the answer is no. The ADSL modem expects an ADSL card at the other end. Also I believe ADSL and VDSL use overlapping frequencies.
 

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BELL VDSL vs Rogers Digital

Don't do it!

I switched to Bell VDSL a few weeks ago.

Lightning fast internet, averaged 14 Mbps, but the TV part was very disappointing. The on screen guide sucks! The guide looks looks and acts like it was designed 10 years ago, and just awful to use. Also I had to start using 2 remotes, as the Bell remote sucks as well, and can not be programmed to run my Bose system. And if you want the 16 Mbps service, you will need a modem, other wise you can have the slower speed, using just one box, but it is the same price as the 16. They also had to do some drilling, and run a second cable for the high speed modem. I also find the security package from Rogers better than the Bell package.

Bell does NOT offer HD, or a PVR option for VDSL at this time. Also the say it's 100% digital, but that is not true, it is only digital for the main TV, the other TV's receive analog signal only.

I switched from Rogers VIP lineup, and therefore there was some channel differences and Bell does not offer on demand channels like National Geo and others.

After one week, I switched back to Rogers with the 7 Mbps, and I am getting that consistently.

At this time I would definitely NOT recommend Bell VDSL!!!

Greg
 

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I take it you did ZERO research before going for VDSL.?

Nothing you say is not common knowledge to those in the know.

If you are still within the "cooling off" period, why not cancel and get away from it.

As for the Remote, I cannot expect Bell or anyone else to have a Remote that will work with EVERY other piece of equipment out there, it is just not possible and I would never expect it at all.

On Demand, Hmmmm, I have never heard that Bell offers this so again, your research was flawed.

PVR, Hmmmm, I have never heard that Bell offers this with VDSL so again, your research was flawed.

HD, Hmmmm, I have never heard that Bell offers this with VDSL so again, your research was flawed.

The Signal coming into your location is Digital, it has to be to come down the VDSL pipeline so that for sure is 100% Digital. I was under the impresion that secondary receivers could be fed via CAT 5, so I always guessed that was Digital too. Are you sure the other receivers do not get a Digital Feed.?
 

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AFAIK, the VDSL platform ihasn't been updated much (including the included remote). Technology has been concentrating on the variety of IPTV where you have a modem, router/switch, and a box per set.

There is only one "receiver"; the gateway box, which tunes (up to) three channels. All are fed with analog RF on various channels. The primary channel also has A/V out. All analog. It has three remotes, at least two RF, which control the other tuners. The Gateway box is capable of IR contol also. A TiVo DVR could be use at the gateway.
 

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You are correct classicsat, I just took a look at the VDSL receiver, it indeed does have 2 coaxial outputs for the other TV's.
 

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I take it you did ZERO research before going for VDSL.?

Nothing you say is not common knowledge to those in the know.

If you are still within the "cooling off" period, why not cancel and get away from it.

As for the Remote, I cannot expect Bell or anyone else to have a Remote that will work with EVERY other piece of equipment out there, it is just not possible and I would never expect it at all.

On Demand, Hmmmm, I have never heard that Bell offers this so again, your research was flawed.

PVR, Hmmmm, I have never heard that Bell offers this with VDSL so again, your research was flawed.

HD, Hmmmm, I have never heard that Bell offers this with VDSL so again, your research was flawed.

The Signal coming into your location is Digital, it has to be to come down the VDSL pipeline so that for sure is 100% Digital. I was under the impresion that secondary receivers could be fed via CAT 5, so I always guessed that was Digital too. Are you sure the other receivers do not get a Digital Feed.?


In fact I did a lot of research, before switching. I was not interested in a PVR or HDTV so i did not look into that, I was simply pointing that out to would be VDSL customers. With respect to the 100% digital...that is what their brochure says, and the installer himself was the one that told me only the main TV gets digital, the rest ONLY analog, and this was further confirmed when I asked Bell VDSL support about it. The remote issue is not something that you can research, but I expected the Bell remote to be as good or better than the Rogers one, but in fact, again according to the tech who installed it, the remote is sub-standard at best.

Furthermore, if you did your research, and read what I submitted, I did switch back to Rogers!

BTW are employed by Bell Canada?
 

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I apreciate your clearing up the fact that you did your research and still gave it a try.

No I am not employed by Bell Canada, not that it would matter anyway.....

I guess that Bell should stop advertising their system as being 100% Digital as even with the Dual Tuner receivers, 3200, 5200, 9200 and 9242, the feeds to the second TV's are NOT digital. Bad Bell.....
 

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Hope this clears things up

It's not that I expected more, I was really just amazed that they can provide 16Mbps internet, faster than anything available for home users that I know of (getting 14Mbps), and yet they can't provide HDTV.

Perhaps if you use a separate box with each TV you may in fact get 100% digital, but one of the appealing features of the VDSL service is that they promote the fact that you only need 1 box to supply up to 3 TV's and your internet connection. It was not explained to me when I ordered VDSL that in fact I would need 2 'boxes' (TV & modem) due to the 16Mbps internet. If I choose to just have one 'box' it would have given me all services, but you cannot get the 16Mbps internet without a 'special' modem.

I just assumed that because my building is wired with the latest technology fiber optic service that it would be better than plain old cable.
 
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