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I was just getting my HTPC set up again in prep for the new season, and I noticed I can no longer capture a number of channels via firewire (Shaw Calgary, Motorola 6200 box).

Channels affected appear to be:
59 WSBK - Boston Superstation
60 KTLA - CW Los Angeles Superstation
61 WGN - CW Chicago Superstation
62 WPIX - CW New York Superstation
65 Telelatino
67 Teletoon - Retro

Has anyone else noticed this?
Dunno what happened, but those channels are now listed as 5C=Yes, Copy Once.

So even if I were to buy a Shaw PVR, I can't copy SD 59-67?!?

Is there a list somewhere of which channels are recordable, or are customers just expected to guess? :confused:
 

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The firewire port is not supported by Shaw so there is no info from them as to what would be able to be recorded.
As for a Shaw PVR you can record any channel you wish using the PVR.
 

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A quick request for fellow subscribers of Shaw HD who watch Discovery HD...

(Background: running MythTV PVR sourcing the HD signal through the active firewire ports in the back of a Motorola 6200/64xx series)

If you're running a Motorola DCT6200/64xx series after switching to the channel, press the power on the front and then the select button and choose diagnostic page 06. What does the CCI flag read? It should read 0x00 which means 'record enable' for a PVR, but in this case it reads 0x02 which locks MythTV out. Yet diagnostic page 12 registers 5C=NO. So what gives? Why is it only for Disc 228 (in Vanc.) that CCI=0x02?

thx for any info,
 

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CCI=0x02 but 5C=1. Not sure if I got 5C wrong or you got it wrong. I check the 5C flag in the 1394 section from d11, which doesn't show both tuners. DWHD is one of the few non-network/non-premium HD channels that can't be captured.
 

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What I can see (as of Tuesday 11PM)

diagnostic page 11, page 3 of 4: 1394: 5C Implementation: No. Copy Control: Copy Free
diagnostic page 06, CCI=0x02

(A good document for the diagnostic codes can be found here: http://www.midtel.com/pdf/dch3416.pdf)

result: no firewire output for Discovery HD.

This is ONLY for Discovery HD.

For point of comparison, PBS HD is: 5C=OFF and CCI=0x00

This Discovery channel CCI=0x02 has only happened within the last week. Before, it was clear.

The fact that 5C=OFF makes me think that this is an unintentional switch as they fiddled with other settings, perhaps with the end of the OasisHD promotion or something. I dunno. Anyhow, that's what's changed, and it has changed in the past week. Trying to check to see if that change has also taken effect in other regions other than Vancouver. Shaw Tech in Vancouver confirmed that on their boxes at downtown HQ that the CCI flag was set to 0x02 and 5C=OFF too. So it isn't a node thing. So the question then is: where else in the Shaw empire is CCI=0x02 for DiscoveryHD? If it isn't set like that in, say, Calgary, then it's an 'oops' on the local head-end area perhaps.
 

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To double-check this is for Discovery HD in Victoria? (I believe it's Channel 228 there as well…)

Thank you for the information, this will be very useful when dealing with Shaw Vancouver! Now to get a few more data points from other Shaw folk outside of Vancouver... :)
 

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Super :D :D This will make for an interesting phone call. Wonder if Calgary-ites or Kelowna-ites have this as well...
 

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glad I was forwarded to this thread.

I'm on Shaw in Winnipeg and have noticed the problem with Discovery World since November 24th, when all of a sudden my MythTV box was reporting that it couldn't record any new episodes of MegaBuilders.

I've been using MythTV with Shaw for a few years now (about 5) and I've noticed that every once in awhile the channels I can/can't record change. As was reported in this thread, TSN-HD used to be non-recordable up until earlier this year (although TSN2-HD always was).

Only 1 affiliate of each of the American networks is recordable in Winnipeg, these include: NBC Minneapolis (KARE) - channel 207 , ABC Grand Forks (WDAZ) - channel 205, CBS Minneapolis (WCCO) - channel 206, Fox Tacoma (KCPQ) - channel 203, PBS Fargo (KFME) - channel 204.

The channels that are not recordable in Winnipeg are: ABC Seattle (KOMO) - channel 200, CBS Seattle (KIRO) - channel 201, NBC Seattle (KING) - channel 202, Fox Rochester (WUHF) - channel 208, Frame - channel 212, The Score - channel 222, History - channel 229, Oasis - channel 230, AMC - channel 239

Recordable HD Channels in Winnipeg via Firewire:
203 - Fox - Tacoma, Washington
204 - PBS - Fargo, North Dakota
205 - ABC - Grand Forks, North Dakota
206 - CBS - Minneapolis, Minnesota
207 - NBC - Minneapolis, Minnesota
209 - CBC - Toronto, Ontario
210 - CTV - Toronto, Ontario
215 - CNN
218 - Rogers Sportsnet West
219 - TSN
220 - TSN2
221 - Big 10 Network
223 - Golf
224 - Speed
225 - Rogers Sportsnet One
227 - National Geographic
233 - A&E
234 - Showcase
235 - HDNet
236 - TLC
237 - Encore Avenue
238 - WGN
243 - HBO Canada
244 - Movie Central
245 - Superchannel 1
246 - Superchannel 2

Non-Recordable HD Channels in Winnipeg via Firewire:
200 - ABC - Seattle, Washington
201 - CBS - Seattle, Washington
202 - NBC - Seattle, Washington
208 - Fox - Rochester, New York
212 - Frame
222 - The Score
228 - Discovery World (This just changed, this used to be recordable before Nov24)
229 - History Channel
230 - Oasis
239 - AMC
 

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FWIW, I can see imagine why your time-shifted channels (Seattle etc) aren't enabled since you may well get the same channel at 'your' time where you are. But re: Discovery HD. Just doesn't make sense. Diagnostic Page 11, sub-page 3 still shows Discovery HD 5C=OFF and Copy state set to "Copy Freely". Why then it is set to CCI=0x02 on page 6 doesn't make any sense. If Shaw is following the broadcaster's edict re: copy protection, it should be done through the 5C flag which has the granularity to set it to copy once, copy never (i.e. record on an internal PVR drive or never). But Discovery HD hasn't done that.

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It's too bad they have done this to Discovery HD and WGN-HD.

Could be worse though, I'd really really be pissed if PBS-HD wasn't recordable on MythTV. As long as the 4 US Networks & PBS, 2 Canadian Networks, and The Sports Channels are recordable via Firewire, I'm not too angry yet.
 

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I'm in Burnaby, and to me it seems as though only certain programs on DWHD are unrecordable (including the aforementioned Megabuilders, among a few others I have tried recording). Sportsnet Vancouver HD (Canucks) is one of the other channels I can't capture anything from. HGTV HD just came online and I can't capture from it either. I wonder if there's a default flag in their system for new channels?
 

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Discovery works again
That new HGTV-HD works too, in Winnipeg anyhow. :)

I really get the feeling that the engineers at Shaw have no clue what they are doing or how they are configuring things. The fact that the copy-protection seems to get shut on/shut off at seemingly random times on certain stations makes no sense. You'd think that Shaw would copy-protect HBO Canada, Movie Central, or Superchannel, but amazingly they don't. In the US, I know that premium movie channels NEVER have the 5C encryption turned off but in Canada the premium stations are ALWAYS set as Copy-Free for me and have been for years (provided you are subscribed to them). This strongly leads me to believe the engineers just really don't even know.

My routine is that I subscribe to one of the premium services for a month here and there, load up my MythTV box with tons of movies, then cancel :)
I rotate through getting HBO/Movie Central for month, then Superchannel for a month, then wait a few months for the movies to cycle and repeat. Each time loading up the 2 TB drive on my MythTV Box.

Just the other day, I finally decided to go and pickup a new HD box from Shaw to use as essentially a dedicated MythTV capture card. It's only connected to my MythTV backend server via Firewire and sits in the basement; it's never used as an interactive tuner for live tv.
 

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I am in Vancouver and using 3 x 6200 into a firewire card using mythtv.
I cannot seem to record most of the SD content over firewire though, some channels work but most will not lock in mythtv, however all the HD channels work. I think it is any channel in the basic group which I guess are the analogue channels.

Anyone else experience this?
 

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Spokane HD affiliates are now firewire recordable via Shaw in Winnipeg

Good news,
Shaw today just switched from using the Seattle US HD network affiliates to Spokane affiliates. Unlike the old Seattle ones, these Spokane affiliates work perfectly with Firewire (IEEE1394) capture via software like MythTV. Now there are 2 sets of US network affiliates that both work for recording on an external MythTV box.

Shaw info about the change:
http://www.shaw.ca/Bulletins/Feeds-Winnipeg/
 

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DCT3416 firewire capture issue with recorded content

I am using CapDVHS and am able to record PBS-HD when the channel is "live". I am unable to capture any recorded content from this same channel. When I play back the .ts file created from recorded content it just shows 1 frame with no audio.

Any body else have this issue?
 
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