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That's not the point.

Given a choice between receiving a snowy, crappy analog CBC station in the middle of nowhere and a clear digital CBC station using a FTA receiver, I submit that most would choose the latter.
How many people would this benefit?
Where you live, you can get CBC, in HD, OTA, so why would you want a SD FTA CBC channel?
I know I would choose a HD OTA channel, over the FTA SD version any day!
 

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You're right I wouldn't choose an CBC SD if I had an HD source.

I'm talking about those who can't receive CBC HD OTA. CBC only broadcasts digital OTA in Vancouver, Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal. That still leaves a LOT of people left out.

The 2011 transition to digital tv is still three years away...
 

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I don't think I should pay so people aren't subjected to a "snowy picture".....
If it troubles people that much, there usually is a solution, that may cost a few dollars a month (starchioce/BellTv) or free if you are in range for OTA...
 

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Strictly speaking, the CBC satellite network is part of the behind the scenes infrastructure and not intended for public use. The old analog system dated back to the 1970s, before scrambling schemes were developed. It was quite a feat in those days. It was designed from the ground up by Telesat and CBC. The computers behind that system predated hard drives and floppy disks. The program was stored on paper punch tape. We have a Emmy in our Network Operations Centre for that system.

The current system is a essentially an off the shelf product that was deployed around 2001. It is MUCH more cost effective than the old system. Since it was not a custom build we have to work within the design parameters. In order to control the receivers they must have a smart card installed. In order to ensure the smart cards stay in the receivers, we turn encryption on.

Having said that, the scrambling was off for several months due to some technical issues. It was switched back on a few days ago. I really doubt anybody was watching it with a FTA rig during that time. You still need an 8PSK receiver and for decent reception you need a 4m antenna.

In short, the scrambling is a technical requirement, not an effort to keep eyes out.
 

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The Lyngsat link in post #10 above is pretty much it for Canada-based FTA.
Hmmmm, I just looked at that link and I must have missed the hole being drilled in the Earth so we can get this channel from Canada....

The Fight Network UK Eurobird 1 at 28.5°E

Time to get my 25 meter Dish aimed I think.
 

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I don't think I should pay so people aren't subjected to a "snowy picture".....
If it troubles people that much, there usually is a solution, that may cost a few dollars a month (starchioce/BellTv) or free if you are in range for OTA...

i hate tv - well you are paying right now and all I am getting is a snowy picture - what's up ?

marc - you obviously work for the CBC. If I am paying for the CBC - why can I not get a HD or SD signal via Ku Band Sat ? (On Bell, Starchoice, or whatever sat?)....lol
 

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Hmmmm, I just looked at that link and I must have missed the hole being drilled in the Earth so we can get this channel from Canada....

The Fight Network UK Eurobird 1 at 28.5°E

Time to get my 25 meter Dish aimed I think.
Heh, missed that one. Although if you are in St. John's, NL you can see one or two of the Hotbirds. But it's kind of a moot point anyway because they're spotbeamed.
 

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CBC operates a terrestrial TV network that reaches the vast majority of Canadians. If you are not satisfied with the reception in your area please write down the details and someone will investigate.
Bell and Shaw are private companies. If you want to use their satellite services you will have to contact them directly.
 

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CBC is free over the air to virtually ever household in Canada now and has been for 30 or 40 years!
But not anymore. As private affilates disaffiliate from the CBC nowadays, the CBC is NOT building transmitters to provide CBC OTA to those areas. (This is true in the BC Interior, and Medicine Hat, AB)
 

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well you are paying right now and all I am getting is a snowy picture - what's up ?
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Call your service provider? :rolleyes:
I am paying, and my picture is crystal clear, either with my 9200 subscribed HD package, or via the tuner in my tv, or the tuner in my 9200 for OTA..
If there is no additional cost for CBC to do this, then I don't see an issue, but if there is, I don't think there is enough people who would use the FTA version of CBC to make it worthwhile.
Marc, would there be any additional cost to have CBC as an FTA channel?
I just can't see people buying 1m+ size dishes, all to get an FTA version of CBC. The dish itself could easily be $100, add on the installation, another $100+ , all for a few channels?
 

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Am I mistaken because I seem to recall a proposal from Bell ExpressVu, as they then were, to set up a new Tier of programming for when the Analog OTA Signals stopped. They were talking of the installation of a Dish and a receiver with limited programming of just the very basic channels, CBC, etc.

Did I dream that.?
 

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Marc, would there be any additional cost to have CBC as an FTA channel?
Yes to rent a transponder, or part of one, is an expensive proposition. You would also need addtional uplink and encoding capability. More channels, more money. Pick a number and add five or six zeros.
 

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These Times What They Are ?

With the advent of the throne speech and the government forcasting a possible deficit and cuts in spending. Is this 40th parliment the one that says to the CBC - time to sink or swim ? No more money for the CBC ?

Marc - maybe you can't answer this one ? But any thoughts or opinions ?
 

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AFAIK, the CBC alrerady has trasnponders on F1 and F2 Ku, at least one active on Starchoice. It wouldn't be too hard to put some national free feeds there. Of course, you'd need a DCII receiver, and you cannot get many of those, and their locked down. I'd like to see a genuine DVB-FTA system where we could use any reciever or DVB-PCI tuner card.

That said, I wonder how a UK style TV license will go, and with one or without, it would be doable to set up a UK style TV system here.
There, except for cable, the BBC and other broadcast channels are free from antenna and satellite (including HD). The BBC (and I think other) terrestrial transmiter faclilites are at least managed by
private companies (such as Crown Castle). Typically, with digital antenna and satellite, one can get around 40 channels free.
Mind you, they are a denser country, and have hand the license for years. It might take time for Canada to do the same,
 

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the BBC and other broadcast channels are free from antenna and satellite (including HD).
And what is the cost of the Licence.?
Then the cost of Dish and Receiver, if you choose to get "free" TV from that source.?
 

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.Typically, with digital antenna and satellite, one can get around 40 channels free.
Correct me if I'm wrong (it won't be the 1s time:rolleyes:) but don't you have to pay a yearly "license fee" to receive these "free" channels? A friend who lived there many moons ago told me this, if I remember correctly.
 

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In England it you are watching TV without a Licence - you have to be on the watch for the TV bobbies. A Van go to houses that have purchased a TV, but not a Licence. Their are ways to mask the the transmissions that the Van picks up but the prevention is usually so expensive that most just buy a Licence. Sorry - I don't know how much that Licence is - but big brother is watching if you are watching.

Really - This type of system takes the Free out of Free-To-Air.
 

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The licence in England in NOT for FTA, or any kind of FREE TV, it is for a Television Receiver.

So if you own a TV, you need a Licence, regardless of if you JUST pick up the FREE channels.

Even more crazy, there used to be 2 levels of Licence, Black & White or Colour. Colour was way more expensive than the B & W licence of course. Now going one more step, if you owned a Black & White TV and had a Video Recorder, you still needed the Colour Licence because the VCR was recording all programming in Colour.....lol

Not sure if there is still a 2 tier system.

Way back in the 70's you also required a licence for a Radio.....In England....
 

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And what is the cost of the Licence.?
Then the cost of Dish and Receiver, if you choose to get "free" TV from that source.?

The License is £139.50

You can get a Freesat system installed for £75 or £150. It has a couple hundred free channels I think. It is very easy to upgrade to get the pay channels, since they use the same satellite/dish/receiver platform.

Freeview (from an antenna, typically a UHF affair mounted outside) has under 50 channels, and those boxes are reasonably cheap, typically <£50, and come built into modern TVs.

You need a license receive from any TV service, or live TV from the web, regardless of equipment.

You don't need a license to watch downloads, DVDs and other pre-recorded content.

If you can prove to inspectors your TV receiving viewing apparatus is not being used illegally, you are excused from paying the license fee and probably fines.

Way back in the 30s and 40s us Canucks needed a license for a radio. I have a label on an old radio from that era that states such.
 
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