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How is it fair to someone like me, who never downloads music? I rip my own, paid-for, CDs and now I am going to get charged for putting them on an MP3 player. Since we are getting charged for blank CD media and now MP3 players, I am going to re-evaluate my position against downloading music.

Anyone know of a good filesharing program (not Kazaa, I've heard horror stories)?
 

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I shouldn't have to contribute to Celine Dion's bank account everytime I buy a package of CDRs in order to burn the digital pictures of my 9 month old son onto a CD.
 

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that's not the point... they are assuming everyone is a "criminal" before they are proven guilty simply because the technology does not exist to prevent the "crime". some would argue this isn't really a crime as you are using it for personal use and not broadcasting anyway.
 

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If it had not been for Napster & the mp3 craze, we'd still be paying $5 for blanks...........

Supply & demand.

I think we should be paying for landfill charges to dispose of all the coasters we made in the past 3 years.
 

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rstratton said:
How is it fair to someone like me, who never downloads music? I rip my own, paid-for, CDs and now I am going to get charged for putting them on an MP3 player. Since we are getting charged for blank CD media and now MP3 players, I am going to re-evaluate my position against downloading music.
It's a very socialist approach to copyright management. Like taxes, we pay into it, even if we don't use the services.

I'd be interested to see the CD-R price comparisons between the US and Canada. I suspect they're not too different after exchange. Plus, I'd be interested to see sales figure comparisons between the US and Canada.
 

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These people are genuine tyrants:

1. They have lobbied for and been granted default fines for anyone who buys blank CDs (among other things) regardless of use.

2. They are currently trying to sue ISPs to force them to pay annual fines because some people are using them to transmit music.

3. They are now threatening to sue people who allow others to download music from their computers.

Only the last one makes any kind of sense.

CTV Article

What's next? A gas tax because some people listen to illegal music in their cars....hmm, maybe I just better shut up with ideas like that.

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winter_crow said:
These people are genuine tyrants:

1. They have lobbied for and been granted default fines for anyone who buys blank CDs (among other things) regardless of use.

2. They are currently trying to sue ISPs to force them to pay annual fines because some people are using them to transmit music.

3. They are now threatening to sue people who allow others to download music from their computers.

Only the last one makes any kind of sense.

CTV Article

What's next? A gas tax because some people listen to illegal music in their cars....hmm, maybe I just better shut up with ideas like that.

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It seems like anything you buy these days has some sort of hidden/added on charge.

When is it going to end? When!
 

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I don’t think I would have a problem with this tax if there was some kind of break down on how the tax was distributed. Does this mean I can go down to the local music union hall sign up for a card and wait for the royalty checks to come in? To date and we have been paying tax on these blanks for a while I have never seen or heard a clear explanation on just how that tax reaches an artist hands. How do they decide how much money Nickleback gets and how much Stomping Tom gets. What about artist who aren’t Canadian, we d/l them more than anyone but they get nothing. I could be wrong and hope I am but I can’t name one Canadian artist that has benefited from this tax yet. As far as I know the government is still holding on to all the money and hasn’t paid a cent out of the taxes they have already collected. Does anyone else know how that side of this very strange tax works.
 

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19 $ per device is still OK. From what I read they were trying to get a big hike per / megabyte for ANY storage device, which could double or triple the price of any hard drive... and blank CD/DVD.
 

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that's not the point... they are assuming everyone is a "criminal" before they are proven guilty simply because the technology does not exist to prevent the "crime". some would argue this isn't really a crime as you are using it for personal use and not broadcasting anyway.
Actually they're not. That's what I assumed too before I read the decision at http://www.cb-cda.gc.ca/new-e.html . If you can make it all the way through the decision it makes some sort of sick sense. Basically, you are not paying for illegal copying, but for legal copying. The owners of the copyright are reimbursed for you having the right (via paying the levy) to private copying. I agree with the people who oppose paying this levy when they don't copy music on to their CDs, but what they are paying for is the right to - even if they choose not to exercise the right.

The flip side of the coin if I read all this correctly is that copying music onto media that does not have a levy on it is in violation of copyright. So, computer hard drives and recordable DVDs which don't have this levy shouldn't technically have MP3, WAV, WMA, Ogg Vorbis etc. stored on them. The board actually comes off souning somewhat intelligent and does not that its a very complex subject with the technology evolving quickly and needing frequent re-evaluation.
 

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Sorry, but that is ridiculous.

I pay for the right to copy the music the moment I shell out money for the song in question.

I should not be forced to pay an additional fee to copy the item I already own.

It really bothers me with CDR's. Now that they have effectively replaced the floppy disk, more CDR's are sold for legitimate file storage/transfer than for burning music and movies. Yet, every business person must pay a royalty on each CD even though those CD's will never have burnt copyrighted material on them.

It is a cash grab to appease the industry. A knee jerk reaction.
 

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Sorry, but that is ridiculous.

I pay for the right to copy the music the moment I shell out money for the song in question.

I should not be forced to pay an additional fee to copy the item I already own.

It really bothers me with CDR's. Now that they have effectively replaced the floppy disk, more CDR's are sold for legitimate file storage/transfer than for burning music and movies. Yet, every business person must pay a royalty on each CD even though those CD's will never have burnt copyrighted material on them.

It is a cash grab to appease the industry. A knee jerk reaction.
So true.

Honestly, what's stopping the software industry and motion picture industry from coming to Canada and saying, "people use CDs to copy our stuff, we want money too!"? We KNOW people are burning illegal programs to CD, and people download VCDs and burn them to CD, so those businesses should get money, right? What's next....the publishing industry asking for a levy on blank paper because people could copy books with it?

I'm glad the copyright board told them to shove it on the new fees, except for the HD-based MP3 players. This is FAR cheaper than the $21/gig that they had initially asked for. Yeah...so that would be $840 on a 40 gig iPod from Apple. Okay...that almost makes sense.

If the increase in those levies went up to the proposed $0.59/CD I was never, ever going to buy another CD in my life.

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Proteosome said:
Sorry, but that is ridiculous.

I pay for the right to copy the music the moment I shell out money for the song in question.

I should not be forced to pay an additional fee to copy the item I already own.

It really bothers me with CDR's. Now that they have effectively replaced the floppy disk, more CDR's are sold for legitimate file storage/transfer than for burning music and movies. Yet, every business person must pay a royalty on each CD even though those CD's will never have burnt copyrighted material on them.

It is a cash grab to appease the industry. A knee jerk reaction.
Apparently you don't pay for the right to copy it when you purchase it. That's the canadian law system, no matter what all our personal feelings are. I too feel that I've purchased the music, not the media, and want to listen to it wherever. Say for instance ripped to a PC at home to serve digital music to your home stereo without changing CDs, or streaming back out to the net at 128kbps (not that that's what I'm doing at this very moment mind you ;-) ).

It is unfortunate that you can't distinguish between different uses of the media. If you actually bother to read the piece instead of just the 50 words or less summary I put here, you can see that they actually charge the levy based on the 'usual' use of the media. I believe some of the promotional type CDs (ones in odd shapes - maybe like a business card?) have a greatly reduced or non-existent levy compared to a CD-R. Also, like I said, DVD-R has no charge, and things like DAT are considered to be used almost solely by music professionals doing their own mixing and so are exempt as well. It really is interesting reading even if you don't fully agree with the whole concept.
 

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Gord Lacey said:
So true.

Honestly, what's stopping the software industry and motion picture industry from coming to Canada and saying, "people use CDs to copy our stuff, we want money too!"? We KNOW people are burning illegal programs to CD, and people download VCDs and burn them to CD, so those businesses should get money, right? What's next....the publishing industry asking for a levy on blank paper because people could copy books with it?

Gord
Gord, you either can't legally copy that stuff, or you can freely copy it (eg software with a licence key - doesn't matter if you have the original source disk or not). This is a levy for true personal use copying. I expect that if DVD X-Copy and the like make it big enough we will eventually see a levy on that for the movie industry here on DVD-R etc, unless there's a complete paradigm shift in the way of thinking at the copyright board.

I repeat again - this is not to subsidize illegal copying. Period.
 
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