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Well, I can honestly say the cm7777v3 is working best for me...and I believe now that the airport..(YYZ is only 20 min away)..is giving me some level of interference...my tablo is not overloading and working great...from the pre-amp, I have a 25 foot drop going to a 4 way splitter...one feed to my Tablo Quad and the other 3 feeds(one 30 ft run to a tv with a cm dvr+,2 feeds about 50 ft each to two seperate tvs)..all give me the exact same results..I use the dvr+ to give me the signal strength and signal quality. I have concluded the airport is my problem...not much I can do if the fm trap and lte filtering is not sufficient enough.
 

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My highest gain preamp pushed my tablo into overload.Had to cut signal 6db.
I use a medium gain preamp as I'm not that far away from the towers. Very few people need high gain preamps unless they are Fringe. Your issue with your Tablo is user error. You can very well overload any TV's Tuner easily with a high gain preamp, let alone a Tablo.
 

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Well after many months..I am still having issues with signal drop outs and disappearing channels, I have tried everything...I thinks maybe I had too strong amplification...so I removed the pre-amp altogether and now am using a cm-3414 distribution amp and things seem a bit more stable..I am still running the 4max antenna....I think maybe I will try stepping down to the 2max...channels 2.1-2.5, 4.1, and 7.1-7.4 are still a problem...maybe the 4max still too strong?..any recommendations?
 

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This time of year wrecks havoc on reception. I have found that any weather systems that come from the north or northwest weakens reception. Anything from the south and southwest improves reception greatly during this time of year. I have become accustomed to this every winter, so its no surprise to me anymore. Im using a 4-Max and a DB2E combined to get Toronto and western New York stations, in combination with an Antennacraft 10G201 amp....indoors.
 

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So I have done some tweaks, swapped out the cm 7773 for a clearstream juice pre-amp and did some re-aiming...I am getting better results and but at times still having issues with 2.1-2.5, 23.1-23.3 and 7.1-7.5....when I get them and when I dont..I also installed a hd homerun atsc 3.0 and am picking up some of the atsc 3.0 channels...same deal...when i get them and when I don't but definately much better.

right now my feed goes to a 4 way spliter from the pre-amp...I want to add a cm3414 distribution amp...I have never used a pre-amp and dist amp together..any suggestions on the easiest way to power the two and is it advisable?
 

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Don't use a distribution am in concert with a preamp near the antenna.
Either keep the Preamp / Splitter going, or use only the distro amp. Not both.
 

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Don't use a distribution am in concert with a preamp near the antenna.
Either keep the Preamp / Splitter going, or use only the distro amp. Not both.
I don't know why but I find I get better results with the CM-7778HD preamp (on low gain) and the CM-3414 distro amp, but then I'm running the OTA feed to 4 TV's and the length of coax from the distro amp is ~100'. I'm across the lake from Toronto. LOS to the CN Tower to get the channels from Buffalo, I have the Escarpment to deal with.
 

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well i have tried the pre amp and distribution amp together and still the same overall result..now I have used a combiner and am using two antennas, the eaglestar pro and the c4 max..both antennas to a combiner and then to the cm3414..I am still getting the same result...I am trying so hard to get the 2.1-2.5 and 7.1-7.5 channels....the other buffalo channels are stable...My homerun has picked up 4 atsc 3.0 channels of which only 2 are stable...so I might be on the right track..
 

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If you are the guy who's close to the Airport... your quest might be futile. Using 2 different antennas can give you multipath that will destroy a few stations. Maybe try only one antenna without a joiner and see what happens.

Have you tried a Yagi style antenna in the past?
 

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Well after many months..I am still having issues with signal drop outs and disappearing channels, I have tried everything...I thinks maybe I had too strong amplification...so I removed the pre-amp altogether and now am using a cm-3414 distribution amp and things seem a bit more stable..I am still running the 4max antenna....I think maybe I will try stepping down to the 2max...channels 2.1-2.5, 4.1, and 7.1-7.4 are still a problem...maybe the 4max still too strong?..any recommendations?
I too am having trouble with receiving 2,4, 7 and their subchannels but it happens every year. I pretty much figure that if I am picking up 29,17 or any buffalo channels it is not my equipment and more the conditions in the atmosphere, Just for context I am about 20 minutes west of Pearson and I get 5, 9, 11, 14, 17,19, 25,29, 31,35,40,41,47,49 and 57 right now. 2,4,7,23, and 51 along with their subs have gone dead to me and not receivable but they will be back soon...I get this every year.
 

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Does anyone know why Rogers or Bell doesn't pick up any of the sub channels? It doesn't cost them anything and it would be good to have some of these extra channels especially if the rumors are true the ION may be changing to a regional sports network owned by Scripps.
 

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The subchannels are not licensed for carriage in Canada. They probably never will be. One of the TV service providers in Canada would need to apply to the CRTC for carriage and then it would need to go through hearings with probable objections from other TV services and broadcasters who make money from selling similar content. By the time it's over, one or more the subchannels may have rebranded and would need to reapply.

Why do I think this? I highly doubt Rogers or Bell would ever apply to carry more US stations as they have been dropping US stations for years with no new ones added. It took almost two decades to get FOX approved for carriage in Canada. The CW (and its predecessors) has never been approved and exists as part of a legacy add-on package known known as "US Superstations", some of which switched from independent stations with satellite carriage to OTA CW affiliates years ago. Those stations were originally approved to pad out premium movie packages in order to make them more appealing to Canadians.
 

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I too am having trouble with receiving 2,4, 7 and their subchannels but it happens every year. I pretty much figure that if I am picking up 29,17 or any buffalo channels it is not my equipment and more the conditions in the atmosphere, Just for context I am about 20 minutes west of Pearson and I get 5, 9, 11, 14, 17,19, 25,29, 31,35,40,41,47,49 and 57 right now. 2,4,7,23, and 51 along with their subs have gone dead to me and not receivable but they will be back soon...I get this every year.
Just like that all of those channels that I was having trouble receiving came back yesterday. Weird as it was in the middle of a snowstorm but it was definitely nothing I did to adjust my equipment. Sometimes the atmosphere or solar radiation or something like that is just not conducive to receiving those particular stations.
 

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Does anyone know why Rogers or Bell doesn't pick up any of the sub channels? It doesn't cost them anything and it would be good to have some of these extra channels especially if the rumors are true the ION may be changing to a regional sports network owned by Scripps.
I think they would have to apply to the CRTC to rebroadcast the American stations. I would like to know why they don't add subs of their own channels for example CTV could broadcast some TSN although I do understand the obvious cable subscription conflicts. Why though does the CBC not sub their news channel on their signal? We are paying for it with tax dollars after all and they could also include 24-hour streaming of GEM or something? I think in the end we have to realize that the CRTC is not necessarily consumer friendly.
 

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The CBC is already planning to shut down all their transmitters. That's after abandoning its promise to serve 90% of Canadians with OTA and already shutting down most of them about 12 years ago. CTV has already applied to be exempted from simsub station requirements so it can shut down its transmitters. The writing is on the wall, Canadian OTA is going away as soon as soon it is financially viable so why would they expand or upgrade service by using subchannels? The CRTC opposed the CBC decision but has no power to stop it. The CRTC refused CTV's application, keeping most CTV transmitters operational. Subchannels are allowed by the CRTC but no broadcasters have applied to add them. So why is lack of subchannels the CRTC's fault?
 

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The CBC is already planning to shut down all their transmitters. That's after abandoning its promise to serve 90% of Canadians with OTA and already shutting down most of them about 12 years ago. CTV has already applied to be exempted from simsub station requirements so it can shut down its transmitters. The writing is on the wall, Canadian OTA is going away as soon as soon it is financially viable so why would they expand or upgrade service by using subchannels? The CRTC opposed the CBC decision but has no power to stop it. The CRTC refused CTV's application, keeping most CTV transmitters operational. Subchannels are allowed by the CRTC but no broadcasters have applied to add them. So why is lack of subchannels the CRTC's fault?
I can see how it might not be possible to have one crown corporation fight another with regards to the CBC but I am pretty sure that the CRTC could make licensing approvals based on broadcasting subs with regular station content, especially news channels, part of the deal. I am not saying it is their fault....just that they are not helping or quite frankly interested in helping. If that big dog has no teeth where is the security? Let's just let all Canadian broadcasting fend for itself online.
 

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The CRTC does not have the legal power to force anyone to broadcast. The best they can do is apply conditions on licenses that meet government mandated guidelines. If the CBC wants to drop its broadcasting license and go 100% OTT, which is largely unregulated, the CRTC cannot stop it. The government could increase the CRTC's power but I don't see that happening. Many, maybe most, Canadians seem to want the opposite. Since the CBC is a crown corporation, the government could change its mandate but it would need to fund any extra costs or deal with operating losses in other ways.
 

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As long as they made all OTA channels free in Canada via streaming I have no issues with elimination OTA transmitters. Realistically, internet is more readily available in a lot of areas via cell service than TV reception anyway.
 
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