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I posted this same question under the Samsung thread and HDTV Oakville was nice enough to post me this answer thats sounds like a good way to get a T451

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I obtained my T451 from etronics.com. They partner with Canada Post's Border free service to ship items to Canada. The price on their site for the T451 is $230 U.S. By clicking on Canadian checkout you will get the price in Canadian dollars, including duty, taxes and shipping. It should come close to $400.00 Canadian in the end. I also considered ordering one through Circuit City and picking it up in Buffalo, however I went with etronics.com
 

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I purchased the Samsung from Etronics also, but having relatives south of Buffalo, I had it shipped to them. The total cost for me was $320 CDN. I have run the setup and am about to post the results on the other thread.
 

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I got my SRT-151 from Etronincs too about a year and a half ago for $525 CAN total, shipping border et al. Etroincs uses Border Free and it took abuot 2 weeks to get it and i'm very happy with it. The same model was a local HT store for over $900 way over priced.

I can't belive that Best Buy here in Windsor and other stores like it do not sell ATSC tuners. Just plain odd.
 

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Etronics sounds like an ok option, but shop around for pricing. I just ordered and received 3 Sammy T451's from refurbdepot.com which were going for $169 US. With the usual rip-off brokerage fee from UPS it still put me at around $350 Cdn per unit, taxes in. The refurb units arrive in a sealed box from Samsung and were in pristine shape. There was the added bonus of some extra cabling that wasn't included in the brand new T451 that I purchased last fall for $250 US.

I did a couple of installations for friends on the weekends and they love the digital HDTV set-up, especially the monthly fee (i.e. nothing). Why anyone who isn't into specialty channels (and no offence to those who are) would pay for basic TV is beyond me.

Personally I can't wait until the price of HDTV tuners drops to around the $100 US mark or below. This could be a cable company killer for sure (at least in the Toronto area where we are being blessed with good reception for Cdn and US signals). Do the math. If you are paying $35 to $40 a month for basic cable (taxes in) how much money would you need sitting in a bank account earning interest at the best savings account rate (around 2 %) in order to just feed the cable company - its around $24,000 - and that's after tax dollars. So assuming a tax rate of 35% you would have had to earn and put aside every penny of a pre-tax income of $40,000 just to watch crappy basic cable. Why not spend a few hundred on some equipment and kiss the cable company good bye. Oh yeah I forgot you also get some HDTV and dolby 5.1 as a bonus for cutting your cable and going off-air. :)

I'm Cable Free and I'm loving it!
 

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I purchased 2 sir-t451 at CC, tried them here in Dallas, picked up over 15 main channels with R.ears, can't wait to see how it'll look back in Toronto with my tower.

I was impressed that this unit can drive more than 1 at a time, currently I have a standard tv on the composite video as well as 17" computer monitor connected to the vga. both look so clear especially the monitor, I've yet to figure out all the different setting and screen formats, I'll wait till I get back home.


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Hi mrelbe . I'm having a terrible time trying to find the Samsung Receiver you purchased anywhere in Canada. Where did you get yours and any idea why it is so hard to find them from Canadian retailers such as FutureShop or BestBuy?
 

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not sold in Canada

Talked to Samsung customer serv rep in NY last week. He told me that Canada is waiting till all the bugs are worked out of HD broadcasting. Letting others fine tune and spend money doing it then, set tops will come down in price. Basically sounds like Canada lets others do the work then jumps on board.
My 351 has no sound issues if set to PCM and not Dolby Digital. Was watching FOX broadcast of the race last night and had it on DD too. The 351 still sounds very good in either mode
I had to give a US address to get the update kit sent for the 151 also. Would be nice if they were sold in Canada, your right.
 

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I got my Samsung unit from etronics.com and used the easy way out by checking out using the Borderfree service from Canada Post. It was not the cheapest way but completely hassle free.
 

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shak911 said:
I purchased 2 sir-t451 at CC, tried them here in Dallas, picked up over 15 main channels with R.ears, can't wait to see how it'll look back in Toronto with my tower.

I was impressed that this unit can drive more than 1 at a time, currently I have a standard tv on the composite video as well as 17" computer monitor connected to the vga. both look so clear especially the monitor, I've yet to figure out all the different setting and screen formats, I'll wait till I get back home.


sam

I hooked up my 2 sammy 451, the reception is just great, especially on the Buffalo stations, nothing from Rochester though, liitle confused as to why the component output will not work to my 14" toshiba, then figured out that component can be SD or HD, right? on the 451 it is an HD output, but my toshiba is still sd, however I will get me a Svhs cable and go that way.
I also noticed night reception is better than daytime, is it something to do with bouncing the signal off the stratophere, or simply change in power output, I find it difficult to aim my tower to pick up all in one position during the day, however at night no problem, I get 10 bars( the max) across the dial,
I find chnl 66 and sometimes 53 are at odds with the rest.

One minor item with the t451, I was unable to program the volume/mute to operate my 14" toshiba using the codes provided in the manual, I think they were 16,90,95,96. if anyone has a more recent list please post other toshiba codes, no problem doing a samsung tv, code 001 off course!

I also wish the stations will complete their guide, also noticed the time is different from station to station.


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shak911 said:
I hooked up my 2 sammy 451, the reception is just great, especially on the Buffalo stations, nothing from Rochester though, liitle confused as to why the component output will not work to my 14" toshiba, then figured out that component can be SD or HD, right? on the 451 it is an HD output, but my toshiba is still sd, however I will get me a Svhs cable and go that way

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I also wish the stations will complete their guide, also noticed the time is different from station to station.


sam
It's 1080i out over component from the Sammy -- if that's where you have the output switch set for it. If the Tosh won't accept 1080i, then that's your answer. As you have found, you can output 1080i and SD via s-vid, etc. at the same time.

Most stations don't send PSIP info via OTA, so you will always have that guide time issue.
 

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It's 1080i out over component from the Sammy -- if that's where you have the output switch set for it. If the Tosh won't accept 1080i, then that's your answer. As you have found, you can output 1080i and SD via s-vid, etc. at the same time.

Most stations don't send PSIP info via OTA, so you will always have that guide time issue.
Thanks Bill, my toshiba is not a HDTV, I switched to svhs from composite today, and the difference is quite noticeably better, as you may have read I just got back from your neck of the woods,(1500 mile drive/1 way) I picked up my first receiver at CC at the Irving Mall, at a good price, $210, then one of the segment on the display went out the next day, but they had none in stock, so I went out to south lake (very new store) and exchanged it and picked up a second at the same price, I am now wishing I bought at least 1 more, oh well, there's a family get together coming up in september in Florida!!!

I still would like to be able to program the remote to work with my toshiba new 14". time to checkout the sammy site.


cheers
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kwtoxman said:
I just purchased a Samsung SIR-T351 tuner.
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The T351's have a design flaw and some have trouble acquiring and holding signal. Just wanted to point this out so you know what you’re dealing with.


How many repairs does it take?????
February 24, 2005
Pros:
Simple setup, contemporary design, good price.


Cons:
Box does not work!!!! I purchased the SIR-T351 for use with QAM tuning. Straight out of the box it would not recieve any signal from off-air antenna or QAM signals. After two returns to the Samsung Service center it began recieving Off-air signals. Two more returns later and multiple promises of a replacement box being sent to me and i still have a HDTV set top box that doesnt fully function. I went out and bought the LG box and it works perfectly. Save yourself the hassles and stay far away from the T351.



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On my Second one
January 29, 2005
Pros:
Easy to set up


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I am on my second one and I am going to have to exchange for a third. It is unable to recieve a signal. A real piece of work but, I was able to buy it on sle at AAFES for only 100 dollars. Samsung is no help in the matter.



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Tuner Stinks
January 12, 2005
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Nice Setup Screen


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Tuner is of poor quality..keeps dropping signal. Picked up a US Digital HDTV Receiver from Walmart for $199 and it picked up every HDTV Station and held a signal better than Samsung. I've gone through seven antenna and finally figured i would try something to see if it was the receiver...low and behold...its going back.
 

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Talked to Samsung customer serv rep in NY last week. He told me that Canada is waiting till all the bugs are worked out of HD broadcasting. Letting others fine tune and spend money doing it then, set tops will come down in price. Basically sounds like Canada lets others do the work then jumps on board.
My 351 has no sound issues if set to PCM and not Dolby Digital. Was watching FOX broadcast of the race last night and had it on DD too. The 351 still sounds very good in either mode
I had to give a US address to get the update kit sent for the 151 also. Would be nice if they were sold in Canada, your right.

Did you get an update kit for the 351? Still got it? I'm getting a 351, and don't have a US address that I can use.

kw..............
 

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Can't help you with the Sammy/Tosh, but RemoteCentral.com may be able to.

Once you get a 16:9 HD capable set, here's a trick that works on all Sammy HD boxes. As you may know, digital channels transmit a lot of upconverted SD with transmitted black bars on each side. A lot of HD TVs lock on full w/ a 1080i signal, so you can't stretch those bars away, thus risking burn-in on a CRT or plasma set.

With the Sammy, simply go into Menu/Setup and change the TV aspect ratio to 4:3 instead of 16:9. Then it thinks you are sending the signal to a 4:3 set and the zoom mode now works on the 1080i signal. You can zoom the pic and the bars disappear. It looks just like a normal, even stretch mode. You can then cycle thru & use Sammy's 'full' mode whenever an HD show comes on and you get your HD OAR back for it with no loss at all! You do not ever have to change the setup back to 16:9 unless you really want to watch SD via 1080i with black bars!

I've had my 160 for 3 1/2 years now. Except for the flaky 351/360 series, Sammy makes great HD boxes!

Have fun!
 

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HDTV101 said:
The T351's have a design flaw and some have trouble acquiring and holding signal. Just wanted to point this out so you know what you’re dealing with.
Last night I sent Samsung Canada an email asking them to officially bring in the T451 model to our country. I copied it here:
http://www.digitalhomecanada.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24549

cheers,
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I just received my 351 off ebay. In my limited experience thus far, the unit works fine. It received 11 OTA channels using only rabbit ears. DD and PCM both appear to work great. DD had a few drop out on one channel, but it appears to be related to low signal strength because I lost the channel a little later. I am very pleased that the 351 so far is giving no issues. And works great.

kw.................
 

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The best regarded ASTC/NSTC tuner out there these days is the LG LST-4200a, which is available in the States for about $279-$299.00 US. It has the best reception, fast channel switching, and a plethora of connection options.
 

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tricky said:
Can I use my HFA100 to watch analog and digital television?
No. The HFA100 receives only digital TV broadcasts using the 8VSB modulation format.
I've decided against purchasing an ATSC-only tuner. I've ordered an LG LST4200a, which tunes both ATSC and NTSC so that I can seamlessly change channels through all of them without hassles. In your case you'd want to split your antenna downlead so that you can input its signal to the 2 different tuners at the same time.
 
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