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2008-01-08 05:17 PM
Wayne
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Originally Posted by que3jxp View Post
Buh!!!???!!!???

What is this!?!?!
Check out this thread http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=78005

Then there was this on another forum:
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...But Hauppauge folks did show me a super-prototype new HD capture product: the HD-PVR (tentative name). Tentative price: $250. Captures full 1080p over the analog hole, so no DRM issues.

I asked if Sage new about it or would support it, and the rep told me he didn't think they were aware of it yet. So Sage folks: Please make some calls and start bugging hauppauge. I'd love to use this to capture HD off my cable box or as an alternative to the R5000.
2008-01-08 04:50 PM
TheIceMaster
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Originally Posted by que3jxp View Post
How many do you have right now?
At that time, 4xHD and 3xSD.
2008-01-08 03:38 PM
que3jxp
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Originally Posted by Wayne
If this rumoured "analog hole" HD tuner card comes out
Buh!!!???!!!???

What is this!?!?!
2008-01-08 02:55 PM
Wayne
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Originally Posted by que3jxp View Post
  • Sage supports way more tuner devices (Except CableCARD )
  • Far more customizable
  • Supports client/server setup
  • Better media extender hardware available
  • Natively allows for more than 2 tuners
  • Gets updated way more often
  • Has more and actually usable internet integration in the interface (Direct access to Youtube and High def content)
  • Can use a broad variety of remote controls, including MCE remotes
Thanks for the info. Most of these are less applicable once you already have an MCE system up and running (i.e. tuner card, remote, etc.) but Sage definitely has some advantages. I

f this rumoured "analog hole" HD tuner card comes out and is only supported by Sage then I will switch in a second. Right now I don't mind the V1 MCE extenders since they are cheap (<$100 on eBay) and the fact that they don't support HD is not a big deal since there is so little decent HD that I am able to PVR (only OTA).
2008-01-08 12:48 PM
que3jxp
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Originally Posted by TheIceMaster
They told me to simply add more tuners.
How many do you have right now?
2008-01-08 12:39 PM
que3jxp
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Originally Posted by Wayne
What makes it so much better than MCE?
  • Sage supports way more tuner devices (Except CableCARD )
  • Far more customizable
  • Supports client/server setup
  • Better media extender hardware available
  • Natively allows for more than 2 tuners
  • Gets updated way more often
  • Has more and actually usable internet integration in the interface (Direct access to Youtube and High def content)
  • Can use a broad variety of remote controls, including MCE remotes
2008-01-07 10:43 PM
TheIceMaster
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Originally Posted by Wayne View Post
Thanks for the info - how long have you been able to do this in BTV? I haven't really played around with this for about a year and I am pretty sure that you could not do this back then - at least no one on their forums could help me.
Summer of 2007. You *really* need to know what to look for as the page (http://www.snapstream.net/configure/...eupWizard.aspx) does not seem to be linked ANYWHERE without the UI or SnapStream.net (or at least, it wasnt when I was looking for it).

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Originally Posted by que3jxp View Post
When you say last fall, do you mean 2006? I ask because there was a MAJOR improvement from SageTV 5 to 6 [...]If you have not looked at v6, it may have been fixed..
I tested SageTV in November 2007 and it was v6. My padding issue is working as intended by design I was told when I wrote to support about it. Its meant to make sure you dont miss anything from your favourites recordings. They told me to simply add more tuners.

I have to agree that SageMCE skin does look rather nice
2008-01-07 09:06 PM
Wayne
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Originally Posted by que3jxp View Post
SageTV v6 with the MCE skin pack sets SageTV so far ahead of everyone else that it is not funny. The HD extender is just the icing on the cake.
What makes it so much better than MCE? (That is assuming MS does actually fix the CGMS-A recording issue)
2008-01-07 09:01 PM
que3jxp
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Originally Posted by TheIceMaster
From testing last fall, the main issue I had with SageTV was the way it would handle the pre/post padding.
When you say last fall, do you mean 2006? I ask because there was a MAJOR improvement from SageTV 5 to 6. It is the ONLY reason that I reconsidered it and gave it a try.

Previous to v6, XP MCE and BTV were better solutions.

SageTV v6 with the MCE skin pack sets SageTV so far ahead of everyone else that it is not funny. The HD extender is just the icing on the cake.

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Originally Posted by TheIceMaster
If it would always remove the padding regardless of favourites/manuals and same/different channels,
If you have not looked at v6, it may have been fixed. I do recall seeing settings in there for this but I don't understand their benefit so I leave it at the default.
2008-01-07 06:04 PM
Wayne
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Originally Posted by TheIceMaster View Post
Regarding Vista, I haven't had the chance to mess around with it. At this time, everything I need, WinXP can do it. My only real motivation to go with Vista in the future will be 64bit support that allows more than 3-4GB of RAM. Hopefully, when I make the switch, Vista64 will have resolved most of its issues regarding driver/software.
Thanks for the info - how long have you been able to do this in BTV? I haven't really played around with this for about a year and I am pretty sure that you could not do this back then - at least no one on their forums could help me.

The other advantage of Vista is that the UI is very pretty - when you are in the guide you can see the TV screen in semi-transparent mode behind the guide which is pretty cool. The rest of the UI is also very nice although slightly

Like it or not we will all be moving to Vista eventually and the advantage is that it includes Media Center "for free" - and Vista HP OEM is currently the same price or cheaper than XP MCE or XP Pro OEM.
2008-01-07 05:10 PM
TheIceMaster
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Originally Posted by Wayne View Post
I don't know about three guides but I am using 2 guides/sources - Rogers Digital cable and OTA. I found MCE much more flexible at assigning channels - with BTV I could not get it to download guide data for OTA channels if I told it I lived in Canada.
Using BTV, you simply have to use «CustomLineups» if you want Canadian OTA ATSC EPG which allows you to pick your channel from any providers or any locations. That allows me to use the US OTA market next to me (Burlington/Plattburgh) which includes all the channels and subchannels from which I remove the 1-2 stations too far from me for reception (cleaner EPG) then add the Montreal stations that are broadcasting in ATSC to make 1 complete lineup (if you get all your channels through 1 antenna).

BTV = PVR only. Want more all included in 1 package? Better look at STV/MCE.

Regarding Vista, I haven't had the chance to mess around with it. At this time, everything I need, WinXP can do it. My only real motivation to go with Vista in the future will be 64bit support that allows more than 3-4GB of RAM. Hopefully, when I make the switch, Vista64 will have resolved most of its issues regarding driver/software.
2008-01-07 04:17 PM
Wayne
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Originally Posted by TheIceMaster View Post
My last comparison of BeyondTV/SageTV was last november. I never really looked at MCE since there doesnt seem to be a way for me to try it before I buy it nor find if I can run 3 different EPG guides/sources without any issues.
I am currently using XP MCE on my HTPC and I am also running Vista MC on my office PC, mainly to just try it out. Assuming that you go to Vista you will be able to try MCE risk free as it now comes with the OS, assuming you buy Home Premium or higher. I know a lot of people dis Vista but I like it as a desktop OS but I am not yet ready to install it on my HTPC as I don't want to spend the time to get all the drivers, etc. working correctly as well as dealing with WAF issues caused by the change. I did buy a license for BTV but I don't really use it anymore.

I don't know about three guides but I am using 2 guides/sources - Rogers Digital cable and OTA. I found MCE much more flexible at assigning channels - with BTV I could not get it to download guide data for OTA channels if I told it I lived in Canada.

Once you apply a very easy hack this was quite simple to do in MCE. MCE does not have any guide info for OTA channels available for Canadians but you can even tell it to use data for a channel from a different source. For example - my Rogers Digital Cable has the local Buffalo NBC affiliate in HD as channel 528. For the Buffalo OTA channel which it calls 1021 I just tell it to use guide data for Rogers channel 528. My MCE system can't actually receive channel 528 from the digital box in HD as I am just using an S-video cable to connect the cable STB to the PC but it does receive the guide data for this channel. This allows me to load guide data for all OTA channels with the exception of sub-channel 3 on PBS.

And I quite like MCE for other functions such as a front end for movies using the MyMovies addin, plus photos and music
2008-01-07 03:16 PM
TheIceMaster My last comparison of BeyondTV/SageTV was last november. I never really looked at MCE since there doesnt seem to be a way for me to try it before I buy it nor find if I can run 3 different EPG guides/sources without any issues.

SageTV has gained quite a bit of momentum. There are even individuals in the BTV forums admitting switching/trying SageTV because they would like a fully integrated product and not just a PVR (like combining their BeyondMedia & BeyondTV).

If you add the HD Extender SageTV introduced recently, it has become a very interesting solution. ~200$ to extend SageTV to any TV with a silent and compact device. The main gripe I've seen about it is the absence of a DVD drive to play them locally but that can be solved with just about any players or playing the DVDs from a server.

If it would always remove the padding regardless of favourites/manuals and same/different channels, I would probably be using SageTV instead of my MediaPortal/BeyondTV combo.
2008-01-07 03:02 PM
Wayne
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Originally Posted by TheIceMaster View Post
I do agree though. SageTV community is very active and so are its developers. Its light and day compared to BeyondTV (kinda slow/dead).
Has anyone done a pros & cons comparison of Sage, BTV and MCE recently?

Things have changed a lot in the last few months so this may change the analysis - it does seem that Sage has gained a lot of momentum - even some of the folks that have been longtime users of MCE have switched.
2008-01-07 02:59 PM
TheIceMaster From testing last fall, the main issue I had with SageTV was the way it would handle the pre/post padding.

It would only removes padding on consecutive favourite recordings on the same channel (ex: ch4 from 7-8 and 8 to 9, removes the padding). Different channel? Conflict. 1 favourite then 1 manual? Conflict. 2 manuals? Conflict. Different channels? Conflict. «Favourites» are how the named regular shows (weekly/daily).

Since I didnt want to invest in extra tuners just to circumvent this and my #1 goal is reliable recordings, I went with BeyondTV with MediaPortal as my frontend to play everything. I can launch BTV from within MediaPortal using the "My Programs" pluggin so its a decent solution.

I do agree though. SageTV community is very active and so are its developers. Its light and day compared to BeyondTV (kinda slow/dead).
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