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2007-11-08 12:12 PM
calvin940
New RRoD style found on Falcon 65nm Xbox 360's - 2 red, 2 green
Looks like some new RROD with these units:

http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=22609
2007-11-07 10:33 PM
rickyb You also have a better chance of getting a Falcon if the side of the box says "Team FDOU" and the lot number is 737 or higher. It seems like most of the Canadian stores have "Team CSON". Some CSON's have been found to be Falcon's but it seems FDOU has better odds.
2007-11-06 10:56 AM
Anteater
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Originally Posted by seaweed View Post
Thx. for the link rickyb.

Strikes me funny. If everyone is returning their xbox360's cuz it isn't a Falcon ... what's the stores going to do with all those returns?
You can pop up a little part of the box and see the manufacturing date on the XBOX 360 and it's serial number before you purchase your 360, if that means anything.

Also... if there's a problem, the console has to be returned to Microsoft, not the store where you bought it from and they just send you a refurbished one that's probably older and will give out in a few weeks.

So it's best to check for Falcon before you buy by looking at the team number and the manufacturing date... you just can't do the flashlight thing.
2007-11-06 09:32 AM
seaweed
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This forum is all about spotting Falcon's:
http://forums.xbox.com/61/15804553/S....aspx#15804553
Thx. for the link rickyb.

Strikes me funny. If everyone is returning their xbox360's cuz it isn't a Falcon ... what's the stores going to do with all those returns?
2007-11-06 08:20 AM
Anteater It's not an elite, but I just bought a Premium/"Go Pro" holiday bundle that came with Forza Motorsport 2 and Marvel Utlimate Alliance and unfortunately it has a Hitachi drive and a manufacturing date of some time in July.
2007-11-06 12:46 AM
entropy05
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Originally Posted by seaweed View Post
Wow, the Elite does not sound all that reliable either. M$ is shooting themselves in the foot by not ensuring there's good quality control beforehand. Guess that's why they upped the warranty to 3 yrs!?
The only problem is that the RROD epidemic is the result of a design flaw, not poor quality control. I had a new, post-"we fixed it"-announcement console RROD on me after 5 hours. Although MS hasn't come out and said exactly what has changed, it is widely believed that they added a second heat sink to the GPU (which is located directly beneath the DVD drive, severely restricting the airflow over it) and use extra epoxy on the GPU to prevent it from separating from the motherboard (which flexes as the system gets hot). To me these sound like band-aid "fixes" at best.
2007-11-05 10:49 PM
rickyb This forum is all about spotting Falcon's:
http://forums.xbox.com/61/15804553/S....aspx#15804553

Not many have been seen in Canada yet.
2007-11-05 09:56 PM
calvin940 Also keep in mind that it's the GPU that is causing the RROD failure, not the CPU. So even though the CPU may be using a smaller dye size, it may not do anything for the RROD because the GPU isn't being changed in that revision. MS had said that the GPU won't change til next round of hardware modifications.

Cal
2007-11-05 09:24 PM
seaweed
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i got an elite about 1 week ago at FS as a holiday bundle. it was ringing red so I exchanged it. how can I tell if I have a benq drive and falcon?
Bouche,

Wow, the Elite does not sound all that reliable either. M$ is shooting themselves in the foot by not ensuring there's good quality control beforehand. Guess that's why they upped the warranty to 3 yrs!?

As for the Falcon chip ... only way to know is to open up the console and look. For the Benq drive ... it's just a matter of opening the dvd tray and based on the shape (links have been posted here already).

Do you know if you have a Benq drive? As for the Falcon chip ... I guess I'll have to take my chance.

Hope this helps.

Petee C ... Good one! The pics are property of the WWW.LLAMA.COM web-site. They wouldn't be on your dvd tray.
2007-11-05 07:24 PM
markl
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Originally Posted by Petee_C View Post
markl,

my dvd drive doesn't say llamma.com on it..... waht's that mean?
It means they didn't take a picture of your drive and put their water mark on it :-)
2007-11-05 06:44 PM
Petee_C markl,

my dvd drive doesn't say llamma.com on it..... waht's that mean?
2007-11-05 05:43 PM
markl
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Originally Posted by bouche View Post
i got an elite about 1 week ago at FS as a holiday bundle. it was ringing red so I exchanged it. how can I tell if I have a benq drive and falcon?
http://www.llamma.com/xbox360/Xbox_3...Comparison.htm
2007-11-05 05:40 PM
Falcon This is how you can determine which DVD drive you have.
http://www.llamma.com/xbox360/Xbox_3...Comparison.htm
2007-11-05 05:40 PM
markl
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Originally Posted by jvincent View Post
The horror stories are somewhat over blown.

We've got a 360 from the second batch post launch and it has been chugging along without an issue for close to two years now.

The 360 inventory moves pretty quickly so if you buy one now it's likely to have been built within the last few months.
Not so overblown, I'm on my 3rd 360 now since last August, seconds one died last week with no warning. It is luck of the draw how long they last, one went 4 months, anotehr 20 months. I had friends that had them die after a 2 year, after 6 months, and after 2 days.
2007-11-05 04:57 PM
jvincent The carrier tray for the BENQ was different than the Hitachi. The differences were visible simply by having the tray open to accept a disc.

There were some pictures on the web that you can probably find.
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