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2007-06-25 11:15 PM
sugarman Was never good at musicmath. Couldn't count all the way up to all the high notes.
I removed the 2nd MMJB program & all is well. I checked out WMP ripping options for the first time but don't see anything for sync. Does that mean the sync will automatically be at whatever bitrate the files were ripped at?
2007-06-25 02:37 AM
I_Want_My_HDTV Typically, Musicmatch will not allow more than one version to be installed. Maybe you installed an older version over a newer version and confused the installation program.

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"Musicmath for Windows Media Player"
Never heard of that. Is it a Sesame Street production?

Closing WMP is not an issue. It simply means that WMP will be shut down (if it is running.) MMJB is not a friendly program when it comes to file associations. It tends to steal the CD association whether it is set to do it or not. It will also play any files or downloads that it is set to play (which by default is just about everything.) I disabled all unwanted file associations and the "quick start" icon to stop Musicmatch from grabbing them. Musicmatch is optimized for streaming media so it is useful for that. There are better players for other types of files. You might also try Yahoo Media Player since it is replacing MMJB.
2007-06-25 01:57 AM
sugarman I removed one of 2 versions of Musicmatch. When I try to remove the second "Musicmath for Windows Media Player" it tells me continuing will close Windows Media Player! What exactly does that mean? Even when I go direct to WMP, Musicmatch keeps popping up. This is really annoying.
2007-06-23 01:04 AM
I_Want_My_HDTV
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trial of MMJB will not allow me to burn anymore cd's! until I cough up $20 to get PLUS!
MMJB is a discontinued product so it is not worth buying (even if you can.) I never liked it for ripping and burning, even in the plus version. There are tons of audio rippers/players/burners available. I like Winamp, which has a great user support community, as a player and music organizer. Like MMJB, it has a free basic and $20 premium version. MMJB has been replaced with Yahoo Music Player (same deal there.) IIRC, these both allow burning with the free version but offer faster burning and more features with the premium version. That is far from an exhaustive list but those two are very similar to MMJB so they will have an easy learning curve.

I usually use Nero for burning CDs/DVDs but the full version costs close to $100. A free version of Nero is often supplied with new computers and DVD-RW drives. Check out some freeware sites or Google for other options. Searching the forum, forum FAQs or starting a new thread might also turn up some recommendations.
2007-06-21 10:00 PM
sugarman Thx. cyclo. I did try it. Then I realized I can use Windows Media Player instead by just closing MMJB as it always opens when I load a CD. This works alot better than my supposed free trial of MMJB that came with the system.
2007-06-21 12:37 AM
cyclo
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Originally Posted by sugarman View Post
I bought a Dell PC because it had MCE installed when you couldn't buy it seperately. I didn't know much about pc's & thought an all in one solution was the way to go. I also didn't know they were using other peoples apps. Just lately I've been informed that my free?? trial of MMJB will not allow me to burn anymore cd's! until I cough up $20 to get PLUS! And now I can only rip cd's at the increadibly slow rate of 0.3X! not the 10X it used to do. Is this really the way it is? The $20 aside, this is (pun intended) a rip-off!
To add insult to injury, as I was doing this post my ripping session finally ended & as it spit out the CD tray it kicked me out of my post.
I have been using free rippers and encoders for years with no problems... they do only one thing which is to rip then encode to the format of my choice (mp3) at high quality.

My ripper of choice: Audiograbber (now freeware)

My encoder of choice: LAME

I have also used the ripper CDEX in the past although I prefer Audiograbber.
2007-06-20 10:14 PM
sugarman
MMJB problem

I bought a Dell PC because it had MCE installed when you couldn't buy it seperately. I didn't know much about pc's & thought an all in one solution was the way to go. I also didn't know they were using other peoples apps. Just lately I've been informed that my free?? trial of MMJB will not allow me to burn anymore cd's! until I cough up $20 to get PLUS! And now I can only rip cd's at the increadibly slow rate of 0.3X! not the 10X it used to do. Is this really the way it is? The $20 aside, this is (pun intended) a rip-off!
To add insult to injury, as I was doing this post my ripping session finally ended & as it spit out the CD tray it kicked me out of my post.
2007-06-20 03:12 AM
I_Want_My_HDTV I tried other solutions. The only thing that came close to doing a good (near perfect) job was EAC and flac. Everything else gave me tracks that often skipped or sounded terrible. It can be a PITA to set up but does a near perfect job. Plus, there is lots of support available.

I've disliked commercial software for as long as I've used a PC, about 23 years. (Since I received my CS degree.) It usually costs too much and often doesn't work as well as open source software. Then there is the issue of support. I've ported, fixed or helped fix a lot open source software (not that the better stuff often needs it.) Try that with some of the the closed source junk that's out there. Support for commercial programs these days usually consists of a form letter reply that is often completely off topic. I don't want or need to pay on a regular basis for that. Then there are the fly by night outfits that charge a whack of money up front for a new program with promises upgrades and support, only to disappear a few months later. The worst are the outfits that change the name of the software and make you buy it all over again, often discontinuing the "old" software shortly after.

IMHO, most Windows software is a scam. It costs too much and delivers too little. The worst of it is little better than fraud, charging too much money for software that has little value or lacks decent functionality or support. I've worked in the software industry and I know what goes behind closed doors.
2007-06-19 07:57 PM
Dog Byte heybirder wrote:
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MS is still #1 in the world because a lot of people are willing to exchange certain rights for ease of use.
I'm not clear on what rights I give up by using WMP. I happen to use iTunes for music because I have an iPod but I use WMP for other things. It's just a tool and if it does what I want then so what? I use iTunes because it's the easy choice and does 95% of what I want. So I could use something less popular and, hence, cooler like MediaMonkey which would do 98% of what I want for a bunch more work.
2007-06-19 06:03 PM
JohnnyG I have had a lifetime upgrade subscription to MMJB for 5 years or so. It has served me very well and I have no need to switch at this point in time. I've had zero trouble ripping. Nada.

I can't keep track of all the sofware bits and pieces you just threw at me to replace ONE perfectly good package I currently have. I think some of you forget that computers are often a tool rather than a hobby!
2007-06-19 05:03 PM
I_Want_My_HDTV
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I can play WMA files in MusicMatch Jukebox (which I use), but I can't play FLAC files.
You must be aware by now that MMJB is an end of line piece of software that will receive no future development. Musicmatch was sold to Yahoo some time ago and their service (and customer base) is being transferred to Yahoo Music by the end of summer. Most recent development in MMJB was geared toward adding features for selling online music so it is little wonder that flac was not added. I hope you didn't get conned into paying $60 for future upgrades of MMJB because there will be none. Just one of the pitfalls of buying proprietary software. Personally, I prefer Winamp. It does everything that MMJB does, is a lot faster than MMJB for large music collections and supports virtually every music format in use through user developed plugins. For ripping, I use Exact Audio Copy. It also supports virtually all file formats through external add-ons. I tried MMJB for ripping but got too many bad rips. My MMJB+ license and Musicmatch subscription are also up in the air because I have been unable to get Yahoo Music to transfer my subscription due to being in Canada.
2007-06-19 12:44 PM
JohnnyG The day I want to run Linux as my desktop OS is a day that will never come. I have nothing against it....I just have absolutely no need to run it.

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However, as I mentioned, I wouldn't go around telling people to do the same thing. You're basically locking people in and I wouldn't feel right causing that.
But you feel okay about suggesting a format that has significantly less support? What if I want to do something stupidly simple like incorporating a music file into a PowerPoint presentation? Can I do that with a FLAC file? What if I purchase a media player to play my audio library through my stereo system? Will it support FLAC files?

I'm hardly the type that enjoys having people coming back to me for help because I've recommended some non-mainstream method of doing something.
2007-06-19 12:05 PM
heybirder JohnnyG, you're storing your music in a Microsoft proprietary format, running Microsoft Windows, a Windows application and Windows tools (connect). Sure, this is a workable setup for you. MS is still #1 in the world because a lot of people are willing to exchange certain rights for ease of use. There's nothing wrong with that per say.

However, as I mentioned, I wouldn't go around telling people to do the same thing. You're basically locking people in and I wouldn't feel right causing that. The day you want to run Linux as your desktop OS, you'll suddenly see why vendor lock-in is idetrimental. However, until something like that comes up, everything seems great.
2007-06-19 11:45 AM
filper I have the music I listen to in .wav on my HD.

I also the same tunes in mp3 100% VBR for convenience. Most songs average 230 - 250 bitrate.

No one I know can tell the difference .wav vs. mp3 at that rate.

At work I have a double layer DVD with over 1000 tunes for background music. I am sure I could get close to 1500 on 1 DL disc at 100% VBR.
2007-06-19 10:23 AM
JohnnyG Absolute FUD!

I can play WMA files in MusicMatch Jukebox (which I use), but I can't play FLAC files. Heck, I can even encode WMA within MusicMatch! Since my portable streaming player uses the MusicMatch server (which in turn relies heavily on Windows Media Connect), FLAC files would be useless to me. Also useless to anybody who wants to use a media player that in turn uses Windows Media Connect.

I'm all for non-proprietary formats - until it's detrimental to me.
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