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2016-03-20 03:39 PM
Gilles Pretty much all non-news/sports programming is created with the possibility of international distribution in mind, even in the US. That's just the reality of the industry. A show can have a higher budget if it's sold in other countries. A show can even be set in Canada and get picked up elsewhere.

One issue I've seen though is that even shows created for a Canadian channel that are then sold to or co-produced with a US one are frequently seen as belonging to the US channel when they aren't, so people think that Canada's not making anything. Granted, they aren't making much overall compared to elsewhere, but they do make some.
2016-03-20 03:06 PM
sherds Appropriate article for this thread .
John Doyle: Canadian TV is a place of squalor and neglect - The Globe and Mail
2016-03-18 06:41 PM
sherds Being able to produce shows technically means that we are able to produce shows , that's all (still a great feat) .Most of these shows are american shows. I don't really feel there are really any true canadian shows anymore , just about everything these days has to be done with an international distribution in mind . I take that back, there are shows that are truly canadian like Republic of Doyle for instance but even these have to be produced with international distribution in mind .There still can be to me a great difference in tone, sense of humour and moral and ethical considerations between us and our american neighbours .
2016-03-18 02:34 PM
Originally Posted by bigdoubledee View Post
As others have said, it all comes down to money. However, 90% of the programming on the 4 major US networks is celebrity worshiping or reality based crap. They haven't had an original idea in 20 years, 30 cop shows isn't enough I guess.
The amount of cop and investigative type shows has definitely become overkill!
2016-03-18 01:54 PM
gbamber The long list of TV shows (and movies) filmed in Canada (for decades now) for American audiences proves that Canada is capable of making top-rate shows, or at least shows that appeal to a wide audience on both sides of the border. So for me, American TV is to a large part Canadian.

The exception is that TV that is almost solely made for Canadian audiences isn't usually as flashy and seems to be more about personal drama rather than action for the sake of action. (Although The Listener, as an example, fit into the American model.)
2016-03-18 01:30 PM
ExDilbert Cancon rules are very restrictive. A show can be filmed in Canada with 75% Canadian talent and still not qualify as Canadian. Something very basic, like using a foreign director or lead actor can disqualify a show as being Cancon.
2016-03-18 01:14 PM
sherds gbamber , i'm not sure what you are saying . Is your list of shows that proves "american is canadian television " to demonstrate that shows that are filmed in canada are somehow canadian ?
2016-03-17 10:04 PM
ExDilbert A lot of US shows are filmed in Canada. The US is also very good at "borrowing" ideas from other countries. Cold Squad was remade as Cold Case and had a good run. US remakes of UK shows are quite common (and not always as good.) House of Cards was originally a UK show.
2016-03-17 09:53 PM
gbamber American is Canadian television: Supernatural, Once Upon a Time, X Files, Magicians, Lucifer, Flash, Izombie, Arrow, The 100, Legends of Tomorrow, Olympus, Orphan Black, Lost Girl, Falling Skies, Second Chance, Bitten, etc.
2016-03-17 09:08 PM
bigdoubledee As others have said, it all comes down to money. However, 90% of the programming on the 4 major US networks is celebrity worshiping or reality based crap. They haven't had an original idea in 20 years, 30 cop shows isn't enough I guess.
2016-03-17 07:54 PM
Voodoocobra I also watch mostly U.S content.
One interesting fact is French Quebec for the 25% Population it has probably generates more shows and T.V series then English Canada on a much smaller Budget.
2016-03-17 11:58 AM
nerakmacd With the exception of news(even then my go to station is CNN), I only watch American tv. All the programs listed upthread I have never watched nor have any interest in. Since I use an antenna I'm not bothered by simsubs and when a show is also on Can. tv I still watch the US feed. I find Canadian programming too political, boring and immature. People aren't as stupid as CANCON makes us look. I used to watch Coronation Street on CBC but stopped because of all the repetitive commercials. Now I watch it online, the UK feed.
2016-03-16 09:56 PM
ExDilbert Market size and the resulting budgets play a big role. If Canadian broadcasters create 1 show for every 10 comparable US shows, they are doing Ok. (The US has approximately 10 times the population and TV viewers of Canada.)

There are other things that work against Canadian broadcasters. The US does not allow deep penetration of foreign OTA networks that drain revenue from OTA broadcasters. The US protects local broadcasters by not allowing any out of market stations on BDUs. Canada allows deep penetration of US OTA stations and out of market networks on Canadian BDUs. That drains viewers and advertising revenue. It's also why simsubs exist. The alternative is to completely ban US OTA networks on Canadian BDUs.

There is a huge talent drain of Canadian actors, producers, directors and other creative talent to the US. Those still here often work for US production companies operating in Canada. Due to Cancon rules, it's difficult for Canadian producers to hire foreign talent, sometimes even Canadians who have moved to the US. That means that, unlike US producers, Canadian producers often cannot hire the best people for the job.

I'm not on the side of Canadian broadcasters but between watching US TV and allowing an odious bureaucracy to dictate how Canadian TV operates and who operates it, we have created the problem.
2016-03-16 02:59 PM
Dr.Dave Here are the latest stats for private OTA networks (in millions)

Canadian programming $619 (includes News $361)
Non-Canadian $717

Source: Programming and Production Expenses (Private television) - Canada
2016-03-16 01:35 PM
sherds Our networks/media companies do in fact get involved in production of shows .Recent examples include Motive , Rookie Blue, Murdoch Mysteries, The listener etc . Certainly they could probably do more but it's wrong to say that are not involved in some production.
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