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2016-05-19 12:45 PM
Dr.Dave
Microsoft selling feature phone business

https://news.microsoft.com/2016/05/1...-hmd-global-oy
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May 18, 2016 — Microsoft Corp. on Wednesday announced it reached an agreement to sell the company’s entry-level feature phone assets to FIH Mobile Ltd., a subsidiary of Hon Hai/Foxconn Technology Group, and HMD Global, Oy for $350 million. As part of the deal, FIH Mobile Ltd. will also acquire Microsoft Mobile Vietnam — the company’s Hanoi, Vietnam, manufacturing facility. Upon close of this deal, approximately 4,500 employees will transfer to, or have the opportunity to join, FIH Mobile Ltd. or HMD Global, Oy, subject to compliance with local law.

Microsoft will continue to develop Windows 10 Mobile and support Lumia phones such as the Lumia 650, Lumia 950 and Lumia 950 XL, and phones from OEM partners like Acer, Alcatel, HP, Trinity and VAIO.

As part of the deal, Microsoft will transfer substantially all of its feature phone assets, including brands, software and services, care network and other assets, customer contracts, and critical supply agreements, subject to compliance with local law. The transaction is expected to close in the second half of 2016, subject to regulatory approvals and other closing conditions.
HMD global Founded to Create New Generation of Nokia-branded Mobile Phones and Tablets
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HMD has signed a strategic licensing agreement with Nokia Technologies, the advanced technology and licensing unit of Nokia Corporation, giving HMD sole use of the Nokia brand on mobile phones and tablets worldwide for the next decade, and cellular standard essential patent licenses...HMD has conditionally agreed to acquire from Microsoft the rights to use the "Nokia" trademark on feature phones until 2024, and design rights relating to Microsoft's Feature Phone Business...Together, these agreements will make HMD the sole global licensee for all types of Nokia-branded mobile phones and tablets...HMD plans for its future Nokia-branded smartphones and tablets to run on the Android operating system...
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About HMD global
Registered and headquartered in Helsinki, Finland, HMD is a new private venture founded to create a new generation of Nokia-branded mobile devices. HMD will be run by a group of experienced industry leaders, including CEO-designate Arto Nummela, who previously held senior roles at Nokia and is currently the head of Microsoft's Mobile Devices business for Greater Asia, Middle East and Africa as well as Microsoft's global Feature Phones business, and president-designate Florian Seiche, who is currently Senior Vice President for Europe Sales and Marketing at Microsoft Mobile, and previously held key roles at Nokia, HTC and other global brands.
Nokia signs strategic brand and intellectual property licensing agreement
2015-07-14 12:36 AM
ExDilbert I notice the article does not say who is actually manufacturing the new Windows 10 phones. If MS is smart, they will farm the hardware design and manufacturing out to Foxconn and forget about Nokia for anything but basic design. MS certainly doesn't need Nokia to make Windows 10 or a phone for it to run on.
2015-07-13 11:21 PM
99semaj This technology cycle (the iPhones era) is mature, with two very dominant emergents. Apple is the perceived premium option, and Android for the masses. Anyone else has got as much chance as OS/2 Warp. (Disclaimer: I loved Warp and was a big advocate)

MSFT needs to think ahead to the next era and not get caught with their pants around their ankles like Ballmer and Balsillie were. Oh, and don't forget Elop kneeling in front of Ballmer. There's a very special place in Hell for him.

This battle is lost, time to think about the next battlefront.
2015-07-13 10:40 PM
j0dest3r This is a bit old but there are still some areas where Windows Phone has more market share than iPhone.

Here Are 24 Countries Where Windows Phone Outsells The iPhone (And Why It Does) - Forbes
2015-07-13 06:45 PM
mmc-dsm Microsoft's Windows head: New premium Lumia Windows 10 phones are coming 'soon' | Windows Central

And it confirms there is NO plan to stop manufacturing phones. Someone really needs to change the thread title as it is an invention.
2015-07-12 11:07 PM
ExDilbert I stand corrected. Nokia did sell a few Nokia Windows phones. Over 12 million sold and it barely made a dent in Apple or Samsung's sales. (Windows phone sales appear to have taken up some of Blackberry's market loss but not all of it.) It didn't do them much good though. I guess their loss is Foxconn's (or some other Chinese manufacturer's) gain.
2015-07-12 07:28 PM
audacity Microsoft/Nokia sold tens of millions of Lumia 520 devices.

I doubt developers care what region their customers are in. A customer is a customer. Unless you can charge customers who have more expensive/faster devices more than customers who have lower end devices, I don't see the difference from a developer's perspective.

The main advantage that Windows has over Android is that Windows apps primarily use native code, whereas a significant chunk of Android code runs Java, thus, is more bloated. On low end hardware Windows just runs better.
2015-07-12 02:11 PM
ExDilbert The key word is selling low end phones. MS hasn't had much luck with that. There really isn't much of a market for low end phones in NA. Asia is a different story but MS doesn't sell much of anything there.
2015-07-12 02:05 PM
audacity While selling a large number of low end smartphones doesn't boost the bottom line, it does make your platform relevant in the eyes of developers, which makes the platform relevant in the eyes of customers.
2015-07-12 12:11 PM
ExDilbert Why not? Many companies have huge revenue streams from patent licensing. (Sony is one example of this. MS has attempted it but with limited success.) Another possibility is cross-licensing of patents. It's a very useful way of incorporating popular new features while warding off law suits over the use of those features.
2015-07-12 02:33 AM
qrwteyrutiyoup
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Originally Posted by ExDilbert View Post
Income from patent licensing is just one possibility.
Are you talking about Google/Motorola or do you mean Microsoft is going to license Nokia patents to third-parties?
2015-07-11 11:13 PM
Jase88
Off topic posts removed

Several off topic posts regarding "RT" have been removed.
2015-07-09 07:49 PM
BoardGhost "Forget about low end. That market is more crowded than a dance club on Friday night. MS needs to focus on high end and business, especially business."

If they forget about low end, then they're abandoning their healthy market share in places like India....
2015-07-09 06:31 PM
TorontoColin
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Originally Posted by ExDilbert View Post
Forget about low end. That market is more crowded than a dance club on Friday night. MS needs to focus on high end and business, especially business.
If you want to be a real player, you need to have options available in the low-end. Most new smartphone buyers start there. If you're buying a smartphone for your kids, or anyone else who isn't 100% sure smartphones are for them, are you buying them a Galaxy S6 or a Moto E? Or, if you prefer, an iPhone 6 or a second-hand iPhone 4?

At least a token offering in the sub-$200 range is important.
2015-07-09 06:26 PM
TorontoColin
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Originally Posted by stampeder View Post
I've been wondering how Nokia might get back into the mobile phone business again if/when their Microsoft agreement ends. I don't think a new Nokia mobile phones unit would risk starting over by using somebody else's product like that. Interestingly, the Jolla project has just announced that they are getting out of the hardware side of the business. How convenient it would be for Nokia to buy them out and take over the Sailfish OS. That's just an idea of my own, not anything I've read or heard. Android is always a possibility, I agree, but Nokia's work on the QT5 Toolkit can still be resuscitated since that UI environment can be bolted onto almost any UNIX-like OS, such as Android-Linux, iOS, OS X, QNX, etc. etc. so the possibilities are certainly out there for a fresh UI start.
Essentially Nokia can either launch their "own" OS (whether that's Jolla or forked Android, which they'd pretty much have to do to use QT, or something entirely different) or they can license someone else's OS (almost certainly Android).
Launching their own OS would have the best pay-off, if it succeeds, but that success would not come easily. Ask BlackBerry or Microsoft how that goes. Putting aside the app ecosystem issue (which is huge), does Nokia even have the staff to keep up with Apple and Google on development of something like that any more?

I think that developing Android devices is by far the most likely option. They've already dipped their toes in that water with the Android tablet they've released. They have a launcher already developed. They could still do some level of customization to the OS without losing Google apps (including the Play Store). It doesn't have the same pay-off, but it doesn't have nearly the same risk.
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