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2015-06-13 09:28 AM
wprager I'm accessing it on my TV directly via the STB. There's an OnDemand button right on the remote (or you go to channel 1000 or something like that). Since I've never had HBO I have no idea if there is a difference in access but I was assuming it's the same. As for mobile apps, I had the FibeTV app on my tablet (still have, tablet screen is busted) and it worked fine, but a lot of the stations had the Toronto feed, which didn't work very well if I wanted to catch the Sens game (unless it was the national game).
2015-06-12 12:55 PM
CSA60
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But isn't that like the head of NBC admitting that he has CBS? Netflix and Crave have different content (or at least that's what I thought).

By the way, Showtime in the US is going directly to the consumer. Those deals the US content owners struck with Bell Media for distribution rights in Canada are not forever and there may be out clauses (very likely they have out clauses). If going direct works for Showtime I could see it working for HBO, too. Right now there is one show I want to watch on HBO, and that's GoT. But I refuse to sign up to The Movie Network @ $25/month to get it. I've considered just signing up for one month and watch them all on demand (have to verify that the latest season is available On Demand first). They usually have a deal where the first two months are half price or something like that.

In any case, I'm sure I'm not the only one who chooses not to get HBO precisely because of the cost/content ratio. Would I subscribe to HBO on its own for $10/month? Probably not as I still have young kids in the house and, let's face it, there isn't a single show on HBO that is kid-friendly.

I really like the Netflix arrangement where I can watch past seasons of shows. Sure, you miss the week-to-week discussions on the message boards, but you also don't have to wait a week between episodes or the dreaded 6-8 months wait between seasons (for some shows). And, yes, that applies to most "Netflix Originals" as well.
Quick Question wprager: How do you access VOD? Is it still the low quality version that is only accessible on a computer (as Bell has still not provided an app for any of the mainstream TV streaming devices as far as I'm aware)?
2015-06-10 08:55 AM
wprager Here's the plan: I wait until True Detective has aired then sign up to HBO for a month or two. Just need to double check that both TD and GoT latest season will be available as VOD.

I really don't understand why they insist on bundling HBO with TMN. Whenever I've had TMN (usually they give you 1-2 months free when you first sign up, so I've had it with both Rogers and Bell) I watched 1-2 films, at most. And that was *before* Netflix.
2015-06-09 11:16 PM
ExDilbert Renting or PPV does not make sense for HD series. They price each pair of episodes (or disc) the same as a movie. Even on BD, GOT is 4 discs. The best deal, for hardcore fans, may be Amazon.ca at $43.49 a season on BD (suggested retail is $99.99.) As suggested, getting TMN+HBO at half price and watching it on VOD is a good deal. That works out to $24 to $30 over 3 months for all of HBO's current series. That's a lot of good TV for not too much money.
2015-06-09 09:31 PM
gdkitty Purchasing them, are INSANELY expensive, especially if you are looking in HD.

The bluray seasons are like $40+ each... so like 160+ for 4 seasons..
2015-06-09 09:20 PM
wprager First of all, I didn't realize they were available in Canada. I don't believe that was the case with earlier seasons. Second, the cost is almost prohibitive. A full season is $35 (I could probably get a second-hand BD box set for that much). And checking just now I see that only S4 is available. Didn't ShowCase run older seasons as well? Might as well wait for it to come out there.
2015-06-09 08:39 PM
North_of_Calgary If people are only interested in GoT why not just purchase the season from iTunes or Google Play?
2015-06-09 12:12 PM
ExDilbert I would hope the Bell execs have Netflix as well as Hulu, Amazon TV, Google TV, DirecTV, Dish Network, several proxy services and all the US and UK services denied to us mere mortals. Not having them would make them very short sighted managers. I would hope they also have Shaw, Rogers and every other Canadian service in order to keep track of the competition. They would need them, at least at the office.

That's the problem with our culture and political system. It's too busy telling people what they can do and protecting the status quo while giving themselves all the things they deny others. That stifles free thought, motivation and innovation while cultures that are less restrictive beat us with innovative new ideas that outperform our businesses in the marketplace. By the time engineers reach the corporate research team, they have been protected from so many ideas and prevented from doing so many things that they can't compete with emerging markets like China where new ideas are continuously emerging and being tested. Corporate management teams in Canada also tend to be very narrow minded. It's not so much about how to innovate and create new products as it is protecting existing revenue streams and copying competitors that threaten them.
2015-06-09 12:02 PM
GamerGuy
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Right now there is one show I want to watch on HBO, and that's GoT.
Same with me. Thankfully (as you mention) Shaw cuts the MC/HBO package cost in half (for 3 months) every year right before GoT comes on.

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I've considered just signing up for one month and watch them all on demand.
I think, if I'm still subscribed to a TV service next year, that is what I am going to do.

Gotta "play the game" if Shaw insists on multiple price increases each year.
2015-06-09 10:43 AM
tech40
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Internet IP addresses were never intended to have any sort of relationship with the physical location of the computer.
Agreed. I don't think that was intentional rather they simply had to reduce scope to get the basics working. I'm sure if they started anew, it might be considered.

For history buffs, from RFC 791 which was published in Sept 1981 (bolding by me)

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The internet protocol is specifically limited in scope to provide the functions necessary to deliver a package of bits (an internet datagram) from a source to a destination over an interconnected system of networks. There are no mechanisms to augment end-to-end data reliability, flow control, sequencing, or other services commonly found in host-to-host protocols.
2015-06-09 09:37 AM
gdkitty Why wouldn't the bell exec have Netflix?

Crave is ONLY TV content.

Netflix carries many other things.. Movies.. exclusives, etc.. beyond what cave has.


I would just assume, that he is NOT using a VPN to access US Netflix :P
2015-06-09 08:23 AM
wprager But isn't that like the head of NBC admitting that he has CBS? Netflix and Crave have different content (or at least that's what I thought).

By the way, Showtime in the US is going directly to the consumer. Those deals the US content owners struck with Bell Media for distribution rights in Canada are not forever and there may be out clauses (very likely they have out clauses). If going direct works for Showtime I could see it working for HBO, too. Right now there is one show I want to watch on HBO, and that's GoT. But I refuse to sign up to The Movie Network @ $25/month to get it. I've considered just signing up for one month and watch them all on demand (have to verify that the latest season is available On Demand first). They usually have a deal where the first two months are half price or something like that.

In any case, I'm sure I'm not the only one who chooses not to get HBO precisely because of the cost/content ratio. Would I subscribe to HBO on its own for $10/month? Probably not as I still have young kids in the house and, let's face it, there isn't a single show on HBO that is kid-friendly.

I really like the Netflix arrangement where I can watch past seasons of shows. Sure, you miss the week-to-week discussions on the message boards, but you also don't have to wait a week between episodes or the dreaded 6-8 months wait between seasons (for some shows). And, yes, that applies to most "Netflix Originals" as well.
2015-06-09 02:15 AM
metalhawk What I find interesting is that the Bell executive even has Netflix at home (or at least admits to it). Not the best endorsement for Bell's own CraveTV.
2015-06-08 11:58 PM
ExDilbert The difference is that Netflix operates in Canada and streams content it has licensed for streaming in Canada but HBO does not. HBO chose to sell all its programming rights to Bell/BCE. HBO has no interest in selling directly to Canadians and would violate its contract with Bell if it did. Netflix has no contracts with Bell or any other broadcaster in Canada that I an aware of
2015-06-08 08:47 PM
North_of_Calgary
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Given the increasingly complex ways in which film and television shows are financed and distributed, that's not likely to happen anytime soon. One single entity owning worldwide distribution rights for any given title is very much the exception nowadays, not the rule.
It works for Netflix. If HBO and a few others slowly transition to the Netflix model of selling their own content direct to end-customers through their own service (worldwide) then this will all become a moot point. There's really only a handful of companies that would need to do this and +90% of the need to bypass geoblocking would be gone.

It will happen in time......
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