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2013-11-13 10:17 PM
Macman No, I believe they started using the "reach" wording for specific rural customers to indicate there is an extra fee ($99?) to have the service installed. I'll check their website to see. Maybe it was an internal memo
2013-11-13 09:37 PM
Dr.Dave I was under the impression that MTS Lightning Reach used the Reach Extended ADSL2 specification (G.992.3 Annex L), which should allow a longer loop length. I made the assumption because of the name - maybe I was too hasty.
2013-11-13 09:00 PM
Macman I'm not positive, but I think they're only installing the DSL equipment inside the CO's. Otherwise they'd have to roll out fibre cabinets like they did in Winnipeg when they launched Classic TV (VDSL).

I have family in Paradise Village off #1 highway and they rolled out DSL there sometime this past year I think. All they probably had to do was get a fibre line to the little remote CO there. Surprised they hadn't done that years ago, given how long DSL's been around.

As far as I know, I think 5 KM is maximum loop length. Can't confirm, though. Anything 3-5 KM from the source probably won't get great speed. But it's better than dial-up at least (except lite speed DSL)

Some people just on the outskirts of a town might be within range, but their lines might need to be reworked to eliminate bridge taps or load coils before they can get DSL.
2013-11-13 03:00 PM
Dr.Dave I think there is usually only one Central Office in a small town. I think the distance is 7 km with "extended reach" ADSL modems, although I'm not sure what MTS' parameters are.

If the homes are too far away, then you would need a remote cabinet and that's where the density and capital cost comes into effect.
2013-11-13 02:51 PM
CoryB Dr. Dave, you are ignoring the capital cost of the ASDL equipment and uplink. In order for service to be provided there needs to be a minimum potential revenue in order to recover those costs. An extreme example but if there are five houses within the distance of a rural CO and say three of them would subscribe to high speed internet the cost recover wouldn't support it at the current residential rates.
2013-11-13 12:43 PM
Dr.Dave CoryB, there's no reason that MTS wouldn't provide ADSL service to outlying areas that were within range of the Central Office, assuming the line was clean.
2013-11-13 11:40 AM
CoryB Based on existing DSL service in rural Manitoba customer density is a bigger factor than distance from the Central Office. With the current tech being used unless you are in an area (ie town) with fairly tight residential density DSL is not in your future.
2013-11-13 10:47 AM
Dr.Dave ^^ I wouldn't think so. Remote locations in sparsely populated areas may not get DSL service. For DSL to work, you have to between a certain distance from the Central Office. They can also install remote cabinets for outlying areas, but that may not make economic sense for lightly-populated areas where the potential subscribers are seasonal residents.

You can check if a specific property has high-speed internet by putting your MTS phone number into the lookup on the MTS site or call them to double-check.
2013-11-13 05:02 AM
cslusarc Does anyone know if the DSL rollout to Grand Beach and Victoria Beach covers the entire Grand Beach Rate Centre?
2013-11-04 02:49 PM
Dr.Dave MTS is bringing DSL-based Internet service to 20 new communities in 2013, with service recently launched in the communities of Buffalo Point and Sperling.
2013-10-24 10:02 AM
KSPSlice What CoryB is saying seems to be in line with what the installer mentioned to me when I got internet hooked up. He mentioned that the copper wiring for Killarney was very old and it was one (but not the only) reason why Killarney was upgraded to FION.
2013-10-23 10:26 PM
CoryB Pretty sure density is part of the the issue with each CO server about a 4 KM radius from what I know. My point was rather line quality alone is not only consideration is rural areas. I do recall that when they replaced the 30+ year old copper with fiber main lines the line quality noticeable improved. What was then passable copper would be 50+ year old cable now and likely only further deteriorated since then so I can imagine how bad land line service is in some areas.
2013-10-23 03:01 PM
Dr.Dave CoryB, I'm only vaguely aware of the "Urban Unlimited" phone service. Is it possible that the locations that don't have DSL are too sparsely populated to justify installing all the remote nodes? DSL is distance-sensitive, so the signal doesn't travel as far as an analog voice signal.

Cham, I'm not sure what infrastructure you're talking about, but if you're talking about MTS wireless, they already offer similar service. It's probably best to start another thread if you want to discuss MTS rural wireless solutions.
2013-10-23 01:06 PM
CoryB Something I recall happening in the early 1990s is for all the rual communities that border Winnipeg MTS actually went and retrenched new main cables to properly provide their "Urban Unlimited" phone services to the areas. Urban Unlimited was essentially a premium limited long-distance plan allowing areas that were not in Winnipeg to call Winnipeg numbers without an additional pay-per-use charge.

The reason for the cable retrench was given that the old party lines, which had long been spilt into single line service, where not suitable for this new, expanded voice service. Many of those newly trenched lines still do not offer DSL service. I suspect similar issues exist in a lot of rural communities that are still operating on original phone lines.
2013-10-23 10:02 AM
Cham We used to have MTS dialup but the service became so unreliable that it was pretty much useless in the Morris area, so we went to a non-MTS wireless service. Cost is about $120/mo with about 100kb thru-put, but it has been very reliable. Not sure why MTS doesn't want to get into this market, should be really lucrative for them since they already have all the infrastructure in place...
Of course we are starting to have trouble with the land-lines as well, no plans to replace them according to the technician that comes out. He goes to a nearby pedestal and switches the lines around when one of us complains and the bad line goes to one of our neighbors. They call and it gets switched to someone else, and so on, and so on. Kind of scary really. 3rd world stuff. Really embarrassing for this to occur in a country like Canada.
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