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|2012-10-05 02:05 PM|
That makes sense. So you Manitoba people are screwed - you either have to have the terrible coverage of Bell and Telus in Manitoba, plus great coverage in the rest of western Canada, or you have to have the great coverage of Rogers and MTS in Manitoba, but the pathetic Rogers coverage in Saskatchewan. Lovely dilemma.
I ported to SaskTel from Rogers last year but luckily, the only place I've been in Manitoba since I've done that has been the Winnipeg airport. The Telus coverage there is quite good.
|2012-10-05 09:58 AM|
PhotoJim, the difference is that MTS had a roaming agreement with the other incumbents for CDMA. They partnered with Rogers for the HSPA+ network, so Rogers has the same 97% coverage in Manitoba as MTS.
Telus has been building their own HSPA network which has limited coverage outside of Winnipeg. So Bell/Telus and Sasktel have the advantage of roaming on MTS's CDMA network, but are limited to Telus' network for HSPA.
Sasktel have a roaming agreement with Bell/Telus for CDMA and HSPA, so the coverage is similar for both networks. MTS roams on the Sasktel CDMA network or the Rogers HSPA network, so in that case CDMA coverage is better than HSPA in Saskatchewan.
Hope that all makes sense.
|2012-10-04 05:17 PM|
|2012-10-04 02:06 PM|
|j0dest3r||Dr. Dave thanks very much for that link and that post. It pretty much has all the answers to my questions.|
|2012-10-04 11:43 AM|
j0dest3r that may be true for the Bell/Telus network, but MTS have better HSPA coverage in Manitoba than CDMA, particularly for data.
MTS will launch HSPA+ network March 31 to 97% of Manitobans
|2012-10-04 11:04 AM|
|j0dest3r||Agreed, but on the prairies, especially in SK and MB the upgrades don't occur as quickly therefore, as soon as you are outside of major cities with your phone, you could find yourself without service because your phone doesn't support CDMA. Of course that will change over time. I suppose the same could be said for northern Ontario as well.|
|2012-10-04 08:04 AM|
|2012-10-03 08:23 PM|
Originally Posted by JamesK View Post
WCDMA is also not the same as CDMA. In fact, they're not even the same technology. WCDMA and CDMA2000 are air interface standards while CDMA is just a channel access method. WCDMA uses CDMA, but it is not equal to CDMA.
So, a more accurate statement would be that some UMTS networks (including those in Canada) use an air interface standard that makes use of the same channel access method as CDMA2000 networks.
Of course, in Canada and the United States, we've come to shorten CDMA2000 to simply CDMA, and this has passed into colloquial language. In that case, we're referring to the air interface standard and not the channel access method. This is what Apple is doing in this case. If you're discussing networks from a technical standpoint, this is technically incorrect, but if you're talking about them from a consumer standpoint, this has become colloquially correct. And this is a consumer electronics forum.
Because of this, UMTS carriers in Canada have specifically avoided ever referring to their networks as WCDMA, using UMTS or HSPA instead. Calling them WCDMA or simply CDMA would only serve to confuse consumers.
It's a similar situation to Macs vs PCs. Technically MacBooks are just as much personal computers as Dell's Windows-based laptops, but the difference has passed into colloquial language. You can argue about it until you're blue in the face, but it won't change, it's too far engrained into our language now.
|2012-10-03 04:34 PM|
|BGY11||This could be resolved with changing "carriers" to "networks"|
|2012-10-03 04:22 PM|
|2012-10-03 04:16 PM|
|j0dest3r||Thanks for the clarification. So is the info on the Apple.ca site is out of date or are they just saying that to ensure you maximize your coverage and to cover their butts?|
|2012-10-03 12:58 PM|
That is correct. Are there any 3G or later phones that support CDMA 2000, outside of Public Mobile?
BTW, UTMS (3G) is also CDMA, but a different version than the 2G CDMA 2000 that was used on Bell and Telus.
|2012-10-03 12:13 PM|
|j0dest3r||So 3G HSPA and above is the same across all carriers? What if you roam away from the 3G HSPA network there would be no way for the phone to default back down to the EVDO network and you would end up with no coverage. Is that correct?|
|2012-10-03 12:07 PM|
|17671||Virgin Mobile customers also have access to Bell's 3G network since virgin mobile is owned by Bell now. If you pop in the virgin sim card into the iphone, the iphone will work on 3G HSPA, not CDMA.|
|2012-10-03 12:01 PM|
Unlocked iPhone works on CDMA?
The Apple site clearly says that the unlocked iPhone 5 off their site only works on GSM networks yet a friend of mine just activated her unlocked phone on Virgin mobile which is a CDMA carrier. Can someone explain this to me?
Here is what Apple says:
"The unlocked iPhone includes all the features of iPhone but without a contract commitment. You can activate and use it on the supported GSM wireless network of your choice. The unlocked iPhone 4, iPhone 4S and iPhone 5 will not work with CDMA-based carriers."