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2012-03-27 10:03 PM
Digital_Frank I agree....
I have the new Eee Pad Transformer Prime and the iPad 1.
Most Android apps suck, as the are designed for phones. (try Facebook or Yammer... Ick!)

On the iPad they are laided out much better.
The TF 201 may not be the best Android tablet, as it has any hardware issues and multiple updates to prevent it from rebooting. The .14 update was good and stopped it from rebooting and I look forward to the .21 on Friday.
2012-03-19 08:41 AM
nursedude
The article referenced above sums it up nicely

I own an iPad and an ASUS TF-101 so have had a good opportunity to play with both Android and iOS.

Android apps (for the most part) do generally pale in comparison to the iPad version. Android may be coming into it's own but has a long way to go when you look at the quality of the apps available.

An example I like to use is The Weather Network app. On the iPad it's one one of my "go to" apps. On the TF it sucks. Same with the i.tv app.

One of the things Apple has done right is insist on vetting apps before allowing them to be sold. If Google would hold the apps in their "market" to the same quality standards Android would be much nicer to use.
2012-03-18 02:01 PM
ScaryBob Here is another viewpoint. It appears that Apple's application interface and app availability may have a lot to do with the iPad's popularity. I don't have much use for tablet apps, outside of a few basic ones like a web browser. Even finding a decent web browser for Android was not that easy. A tablet without decent apps just won't much of an impact in the marketplace.

The iPad Wins Because Android Tablet Apps Suck: An Illustrated Guide

A search for "Android apps vs iPad apps" will turn up lots of similar commentaries. I guess that's a reason in favour of buying an iPad but it still doesn't make me want to. I purchased a 10" Android tablet for about $170 and it works just fine for its intended purpose.
2012-03-18 10:44 AM
jazzace
Not cheap but not inflated price

If the price was artificially high on the iPad, they wouldn't be selling millions of them and another manufacturer would be able to put out a competitive product at a better price point without taking a bath. Apple's margins are certainly high and the envy of the industry, but they get that mostly from shrewd supply chain buys which most other manufacturers can't do. They also are sitting on a boatload of cash, which makes buying up components easier.

I bought a 1st gen iPad instead of a laptop for front room surfing and light use on the road or at meetings where I need to take minutes. It has done all of that and more. In its current state, it is what I would give my Father and his wife as an internet device, as they had no experience with computers until very recently and struggle with some of the basic concepts. (Had the 1st gen iPad had a camera and iCloud, I would have never bothered with a computer for them.)
2012-03-18 01:34 AM
TorontoColin Folks, the Foxconn issue has been discussed at length elsewhere. If you would like to tackle that topic, find one of those threads or, if you can't find an appropriate thread, make a new one. Future posts in this thread discussing that particular issue will be deleted. In addition, please remember to be respectful of your fellow members. Troll posts, comments designed to be inflammatory, or posts denigrating users of a particular platform will result in automatic infractions. I encourage you to express your opinions, but only in a way that is respectful to your fellow members.
2012-03-17 11:19 PM
normancw
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I will give Apple credit for its innovation and marketing abilities. I just wish they didn't use that to inflate prices and quash competition.
If Apple charged $100 less for their devices, wouldn't they quash the competition even more?

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Otherwise, paying $600 for every latest and greatest Apple toy is not worth it.
It's not only Apple, people happily pay $600 for the latest greatest Google phone every year too (me included).
2012-03-17 08:17 PM
NeilN ScaryBob, can you name any Chinese manufacturing company in any industry whose employee lifestyles would be tolerated in North America?

And most people don't care about open versus closed. They just want stuff to work. Why do you think Linux on the desktop hasn't taken off? The "bored billionaire" statement is just empty hyperbole.
2012-03-17 07:32 PM
ScaryBob
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And, using Exxon Mobile as an example of a good corporate citizen is laughable.
I didn't say that. I just said that Apple has surpassed Exxon Mobil in market capitalization in 10 about years and Exon Mobil took over 100 years to reach the same level. Their level of corporate citizenry has nothing to do with it.

From what I've heard, Foxconn and similar companies are improving working conditions. However, the lifestyles of their employees would not be tolerated in North America. That's what makes it possible for Apple to deliver their products with high speed and high profits. Apple is not the only company doing this so I don't put the entire blame on them. They just get singled out due to their success.

At any rate, I consider buying into locked down, bleeding edge technology to be a bad proposition most of the time. If it's needed for business or you are a bored billionaire it's good to have. Otherwise, paying $600 for every latest and greatest Apple toy is not worth it.
2012-03-17 06:44 PM
notsure ScaryBob, extrapolating this from what I wrote is a stretch... to say the least!!! Please, don't put words into my mouth. It might be a good idea for you to re-read what I wrote. And, using Exxon Mobile as an example of a good corporate citizen is laughable. Do you know what they do as a corporation? I mean aside from making billions every year for their shareholders.

Lastly, it seems like some of the stories about the horrible working conditions at Foxconn were made up in the name of "art".
2012-03-17 05:33 PM
ScaryBob Apple has become the company with the highest market capitalization in a little over 10 years (about 10-15 years ago it was close to bankruptcy.) It has surpassed other companies that have been on business for over 100 years, have huge customer bases and have massive business holdings, such as Exxon Mobil. That may be great for Apple shareholders but it's not so great for the people actually producing the devices. At the source end, we have people dying from working conditions that wouldn't be tolerated in North America and at the consumer end we have people (and countries) amassing gigantic debts to the producing companies (and countries.) In the middle, we have Apple pocketing the profits. I don't want to get into the mindset of people who would kill or injure others to obtain an Apple product.

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Their primary goal is to make money for their shareholders.
There are some fundamental issues with such a narrow minded approach to business. In the 19th century, the sole purpose of business was to make money for the owner but that created abysmal social conditions and political unrest. Are you saying we should go backwards as a society because that's what it sounds like to me. Even Henry Ford realized that paying his workers a decent wage was good for business.

Reason #17 - You might get trampled outside the Apple store.
Reason $18 - Your iPad may have been made by someone who was driven to suicide by oppressive working conditions or poisoned by toxic chemicals.
2012-03-17 04:30 PM
AFF People think thier 2 or 3 yr old phone is no good anymore because a new one came out. Apple and the other company's know this and take your money.
2012-03-17 03:36 PM
notsure
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Apple got to be the richest company in the world for a reason. That is ridiculously high markups. They could probably sell the iPad for $100 less and the accessories for half price and still be the second richest company in the world. They could probably sell the iPad for half the price and still make money with iTune tie-ins and apps, like Amazon.
Economics 101 - Supply and Demand.

They are charging what they think the market is willing to pay. They are not here to give me, you or anyone else a good deal. Their primary goal is to make money for their shareholders.

They must be doing something right.
2012-03-17 12:43 PM
NeilN
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They could probably sell the iPad for half the price and still make money with iTune tie-ins and apps, like Amazon.
Apple has said many times that the iTunes store does a little better than breaking even. Their business model is the opposite of Amazon's who makes its money by selling content.
2012-03-17 11:30 AM
ScaryBob My top 3 reasons are:
1. Price
2. Price
3. Price

Apple got to be the richest company in the world for a reason. That is ridiculously high markups. They could probably sell the iPad for $100 less and the accessories for half price and still be the second richest company in the world. They could probably sell the iPad for half the price and still make money with iTune tie-ins and apps, like Amazon.

The other trend I don't like is the return to proprietary hardware and locked down systems. The "IBM PC" took over the PC market due to it's open architecture. It also took away a lot of Apple's market share (anyone remember the Apple II?) That lesson was not lost on Apple, which has produced and protected closed architecture computers since. The same lesson seems to be lost on today's consumers.

I will give Apple credit for its innovation and marketing abilities. I just wish they didn't use that to inflate prices and quash competition.
2012-03-16 03:38 PM
billpaidJr I think some of his points make sense. Apple has built their business model around small incremental changes from one generation to the next. The ipod touch being the perfect example of this...going on to its 5th or 6th generation now. First adding sound..then a camera..then better display...then etc...

It has served them well judging by the massive crowds salivating to get their hands on the latest generation of products.

They are feeding a monster now that wants a new product every year. Pretty amazing feat of marketing genius.

Truth is no one needs the new Ipad if they already have one...but they will find a way to justify getting the new one....pure genius.
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